Peppers
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Look, I don't think he's doing a bad job as a strong safety, the position he should have been in from Day 1 of his career.
But the athletic freak who played all over the place had a first round pick used on him? Well he's limited. He just is.
And using a first rounder on a safety who contributes more in the run game than the passing game is a very questionable move to make in today's NFL. That's not Pepper's fault, but the Browns reached on him. Doesn't mean he's bad, but I highly doubt he's ever the playmaker the Browns envisioned. I'll take solid strong safety at this point.
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Mitchell made the best defensive secondary play of the day and it was when he broke his arm..
its damn shame and I hope he recovers ASAP
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Look, I don't think he's doing a bad job as a strong safety, the position he should have been in from Day 1 of his career.
But the athletic freak who played all over the place had a first round pick used on him? Well he's limited. He just is.
And using a first rounder on a safety who contributes more in the run game than the passing game is a very questionable move to make in today's NFL. That's not Pepper's fault, but the Browns reached on him. Doesn't mean he's bad, but I highly doubt he's ever the playmaker the Browns envisioned. I'll take solid strong safety at this point.
Look, I don't think he's doing a bad job as a strong safety, the position he should have been in from Day 1 of his career.
But the athletic freak who played all over the place had a first round pick used on him? Well he's limited. He just is.
And using a first rounder on a safety who contributes more in the run game than the passing game is a very questionable move to make in today's NFL. That's not Pepper's fault, but the Browns reached on him. Doesn't mean he's bad, but I highly doubt he's ever the playmaker the Browns envisioned. I'll take solid strong safety at this point.
You just said 'well he's limited. he just is'. Which is obvious and true. You only have to watch him return a kick and take literally forever to get to the 12 yard line to see that.
Which is partly why he *is* doing such a terrible job...last year and this year.
Good teams aren't using 1 of their 4(or 5 or whatever depending on the package) secondary guys on some traditional role of whatever a 'strong safety' is supposed to be. Thats not the nfl in 2018. your post indicates you sort of get this concept. Whatever you call peppers position, he's got to be able to do a lot of things that safeties do today. He can't do those things....
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So was that Lynch run play I posted the one you were talking about?
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Peppers defended that pass as best as he could, Nelson has 4 inches on him. Criticize the play call that assigned Peppers to cover Nelson
Peppers defended that pass as best as he could, Nelson has 4 inches on him. Criticize the play call that assigned Peppers to cover Nelson
lmao.....peppers could have been 6'10 and he woudnt have had a chance to make a play there. His feet were stuck in mud and his instincts there were Sheet.
And yes I agree that Peppers on nelson down the field(hell peppers on anyone who can catch a football down the field is a disaster) isn't good for us. but if that were even some safety like eddie jackson I wouldnt have been as freaked out. So yes its a terrible situation because it isolated a shitty player...the solution is to get better players which we will.
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ok so i just watched the nelson td throw....that was man coverage. And #22 was right with him....i mean that was not vad coverage, that ball was just rifled in. Peppers protected the corner route expecting the LB'er to converge on nelson if he broke to the inside. Schobert and peppers were running downfield with jordy nelson. Browns got caught with the wrong personnel im guessing, and carr naturally sniffed it. But acting like peppers just stared at a wide open nelson......wtf?
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ok so i just watched the nelson td throw....that was man coverage. And #22 was right with him....i mean that was not vad coverage, that ball was just rifled in. Peppers protected the corner route expecting the LB'er to converge on nelson if he broke to the inside. Schobert and peppers were running downfield with jordy nelson. Browns got caught with the wrong personnel im guessing, and carr naturally sniffed it. But acting like peppers just stared at a wide open nelson......wtf?
ok so i just watched the nelson td throw....that was man coverage. And #22 was right with him....i mean that was not vad coverage, that ball was just rifled in. Peppers protected the corner route expecting the LB'er to converge on nelson if he broke to the inside. Schobert and peppers were running downfield with jordy nelson. Browns got caught with the wrong personnel im guessing, and carr naturally sniffed it. But acting like peppers just stared at a wide open nelson......wtf?
I'm curious, do you have a link to the video? The only view of it I saw was the broadcast angle and it cuts most of the play off.
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Mitchell made the best defensive secondary play of the day and it was when he broke his arm..
its damn shame and I hope he recovers ASAP
Mitchell made the best defensive secondary play of the day ...
I was kinda partial to Ward taking out Lynch's legs on a near sideline incompletion.
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So I am guessing Taco actually rewatched the play he was ranting about, the run by Lynch that I posted, and he noticed a very curious thing... Peppers wasn't actually on the field. Ward got knocked on his butt (by an OL though), and Carrie got his legs cut out it looked like. I can see how Pep is the worst player ever when every bad play by a DB is now by Peppers... lol
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So was that Lynch run play I posted the one you were talking about?
it says video unavailable...more than one play as well....I watched the whole game and when they did skycam/overhead shots when he was in or close to the box he was out of position or getting shunted out of the play usually.
more importantly.did he actually have ZERO damn tackles all game? Sure as Sheet blows that 'oh he's going to be doing tons of great stuff in the box close to the LOS' Sheet away.....are you telling me the ONLY tackle this dude had all game was when 47 yo jordy nelson owned him in the end zone? Unfortunately for pep, I guess that one didnt count.
So I'm confused.....if he's making such an impact near the LOS why the hell isn't he actually in on any tackles? Because we've already established he definately isnt contributing jack in the downfield passing game.
Fortunately, its not the end of the world. By the time we are contending/ready to contend, this bum is not going to be on the field much
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Well, I'll leave it at that. If any unbiased person is following this thread, and they see you going off about that play, I hope they click out and watch the actual play. It is hard to take your ranting seriously when you're complaining about Pep's performance on a play he wasn't even in for...
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ok so i just watched the nelson td throw....that was man coverage. And #22 was right with him....i mean that was not vad coverage, that ball was just rifled in. Peppers protected the corner route expecting the LB'er to converge on nelson if he broke to the inside. Schobert and peppers were running downfield with jordy nelson. Browns got caught with the wrong personnel im guessing, and carr naturally sniffed it. But acting like peppers just stared at a wide open nelson......wtf?
I'm curious, do you have a link to the video? The only view of it I saw was the broadcast angle and it cuts most of the play off.
I'm curious, do you have a link to the video? The only view of it I saw was the broadcast angle and it cuts most of the play off.
I just slowed down the video on the link previously provided which was the broadcast. You can kind of see what happened, Jordy faked the corner route and broke to the inside. Peppers "has" to respect that fake. This notion that Jordy Nelson is some over the hill bum that beats no one is laughable, dude is still one of the fastest WR's in the entire fukking game. Peppers had inside help, the coverage should have worked. I don't know if it's partly Schoberts fault or not. But peppers closed the gap very quickly and got there almost as the ball did...it's just a heck of a throw by Carr. Im just not going to sht on a young player that got beat by Carr and a WR that made his name catching Aaron Rodgers. I hope we at least expressed interest in getting Nelson to Cleveland. That kind of guy could have brought some amazing knowledge to our team. Imagine what Nelson could bring to the WR room.....even Landry could learn from him.
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Well, I'll leave it at that. If any unbiased person is following this thread, and they see you going off about that play, I hope they click out and watch the actual play. It is hard to take your ranting seriously when you're complaining about Pep's performance on a play he wasn't even in for...
Well, I'll leave it at that. If any unbiased person is following this thread, and they see you going off about that play, I hope they click out and watch the actual play. It is hard to take your ranting seriously when you're complaining about Pep's performance on a play he wasn't even in for...
I have no opinion on his play on defense onther than I like seeing him play closer to the line as oppposed to 50 yards away like last year. My only thing with his play this year is that he's just not good at returning kicks or punts. I don't know if we have anyone better to use, but I'd prefer if he just stay in the end zone every time and if the ball isn't in the end zone...stop hesitating before running.
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Well, I'll leave it at that. If any unbiased person is following this thread, and they see you going off about that play, I hope they click out and watch the actual play. It is hard to take your ranting seriously when you're complaining about Pep's performance on a play he wasn't even in for...
I have no opinion on his play on defense onther than I like seeing him play closer to the line as oppposed to 50 yards away like last year. My only thing with his play this year is that he's just not good at returning kicks or punts. I don't know if we have anyone better to use, but I'd prefer if he just stay in the end zone every time and if the ball isn't in the end zone...stop hesitating before running.
I have no opinion on his play on defense onther than I like seeing him play closer to the line as oppposed to 50 yards away like last year. My only thing with his play this year is that he's just not good at returning kicks or punts. I don't know if we have anyone better to use, but I'd prefer if he just stay in the end zone every time and if the ball isn't in the end zone...stop hesitating before running.
I’ll semi ditto this. I actually thought the last few games prior to this one were step forward games with regard to him playing defense.
Him returning kicks though? Man. It’s not good.
I almost think it would have been a good idea to sign Berry out of camp. Or some other balls out dude who knew he had one job, to push the kickoff as far as possible without fumbling.
Tenacity, mentality, fearlessness. Is that dude on the team? Give Josh Cribbs one roster spot to play with. He knows what it takes.
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Peppers wasn't the reason we lost. Much like anyone else, he'll be beat on occasion. That having been said, the position/role he is being asked to play and the manner in which he can do so is production that, was mentioned April of 2017, can be had without a first round investment. Jabrill has been OK for us, but that is about it. Do I expect his 5th year option to be picked up? Not so far. But that doesn't mean these threads are warranted.
The offense and their turnovers, plus the special teams turnover, was the reason for the loss yesterday.
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Peppers wasn't the reason we lost. Much like anyone else, he'll be beat on occasion. That having been said, the position/role he is being asked to play and the manner in which he can do so is production that, was mentioned April of 2017, can be had without a first round investment. Jabrill has been OK for us, but that is about it. Do I expect his 5th year option to be picked up? Not so far. But that doesn't mean these threads are warranted.
The offense and their turnovers, plus the special teams turnover, was the reason for the loss yesterday.
Peppers wasn't the reason we lost. Much like anyone else, he'll be beat on occasion. That having been said, the position/role he is being asked to play and the manner in which he can do so is production that, was mentioned April of 2017, can be had without a first round investment. Jabrill has been OK for us, but that is about it. Do I expect his 5th year option to be picked up? Not so far. But that doesn't mean these threads are warranted.
The offense and their turnovers, plus the special teams turnover, was the reason for the loss yesterday.
The offense also scored 42 points so its hard to totally blame them for a loss. The defense couldn't stop them at all....nearly all game long. The middle of the field was wide open all game. The entire defense should take the blame for this. 8 point lead, less than 2 minutes and no timeouts and not only did they not stop them, they didn't come close to stopping them. Guys were still wide open and there were still missed tackles.
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Peppers wasn't the reason we lost. Much like anyone else, he'll be beat on occasion. That having been said, the position/role he is being asked to play and the manner in which he can do so is production that, was mentioned April of 2017, can be had without a first round investment. Jabrill has been OK for us, but that is about it. Do I expect his 5th year option to be picked up? Not so far. But that doesn't mean these threads are warranted.
The offense and their turnovers, plus the special teams turnover, was the reason for the loss yesterday.
The offense also scored 42 points so its hard to totally blame them for a loss. The defense couldn't stop them at all....nearly all game long. The middle of the field was wide open all game. The entire defense should take the blame for this. 8 point lead, less than 2 minutes and no timeouts and not only did they not stop them, they didn't come close to stopping them. Guys were still wide open and there were still missed tackles.
The offense also scored 42 points so its hard to totally blame them for a loss. The defense couldn't stop them at all....nearly all game long. The middle of the field was wide open all game. The entire defense should take the blame for this. 8 point lead, less than 2 minutes and no timeouts and not only did they not stop them, they didn't come close to stopping them. Guys were still wide open and there were still missed tackles.
The offense and special teams are directly responsible for at least 13 points the defense gave up (My math is pick six, then at minimum 2 FG's for the turnovers are the least amount of points the Raiders would have gotten) I can think of being put in that exact same scenario once, we had a freshman center that snapped the ball over our QB's head 3 times. Once for a safety, once for a TD and the other ended up on the 4 yard line. It's incredibly frustrating and puts you on your heels as a defense.
Yes, we put up 42 points. But the defense wasn't the one giving the ball right back with outstanding field position. Now did we play poorly for stretches? Absolutely. But if not for that pick six it should have been a 28-7 game at one point. You really can't ask modern NFL defenses to play much better for damn near 3 quarters without them being Jacksonville.
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I expect the defense to make a stop when they need to and they never did. 42 points should be plenty to win on a Sunday. Considering people around here were talking them as the greatest defense ever and coming up with cute nicknames for them, I would think that a good defense would find a way to win when given 42 points.
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defense has alot of wear and tear on em first quarter of the season....mainly thanks to tyrods constant 3 and outs. They need a bye week bad.
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I expect the defense to make a stop when they need to and they never did. 42 points should be plenty to win on a Sunday. Considering people around here were talking them as the greatest defense ever and coming up with cute nicknames for them, I would think that a good defense would find a way to win when given 42 points.
I expect the defense to make a stop when they need to and they never did. 42 points should be plenty to win on a Sunday. Considering people around here were talking them as the greatest defense ever and coming up with cute nicknames for them, I would think that a good defense would find a way to win when given 42 points.
You realize the offensive turnovers basically gave them 21 points.
The momentum was overwhelming after the first fumble. Hostile environment, first road start, etc.
Sure it would’ve been nice to get a stop, but that offense is no slouch and we were already down a top outside corner, who got hurt making a nice play( Mitchell)
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