Best Players not in the HOF

[Zombo]

HC:   Bill Cowher,  Steelers NO

Punter:  Dave Jennings  Giants/Jets NO

Kicker:  Matt Stover  Browns/Ravens NO

Safety:  Tim McDonald 49ers NO

Safety: Johnny Robinson  Chiefs YES

S/CB  Dave Grayson  Raiders NO

CB:  Eric Allen   Eagles NO

LB:  Larry Grantham  Jets NO

LB: Leroy Jordan  Cowboys YES

LB: Cornelius Bennett,   Bills/Colts NO

DE: LC Greenwood,  Steelers YES

DT: Rosey Grier,  Rams YES

DT: Ron McDole  Redskins NO

DT: Alex Karras, Lions YES

OG: Bruno Banducci  Eagles/49ers NO

OT Lomas Brown  Giants NO

OT Jim Tyrer  Bears YOU MEAN CHIEFS? NO

OT D.i.c.k  Shafrath  Browns YES

OC  Kevin Mawae  Titans YES

TE  Pete Retzlaff Eagles NO

WR: Cliff Branch  Raiders NO

WR: Harold Jackson  Eagles NO

RB:  Roger Craig  49ers YES

RB: Edgerrin James  Colts YES

QB:  Ken Anderson  Bengals NO

CLAY MATTHEWS

[The Gipper]

One area of particular disagreement:   Head Coaches.   In my opinion, all of the following likely are better HOF candidates than Bill Cowher:  His mentor, Marty Schottenheimer,   Mike Shanahan,  Mike Holmgren, Chuck Knox, Dan Reeves.   Part of his problem is that he did it for a much shorter time than I think he should have.   He only was HC for 15 years,  compared to  over 20 years for most HOF coaches.   Belichick now has 24 years of coaching under his belt.

Other people just as deserving as some of the above, perhaps:

DE  Jim Marshall

LB Zach Thomas

OL Alan Faneca

OT Mike Kenn

OG Steve Wisniewski

DB John Lynch

QB  John Hadl

and, of course, LB Clay Matthews 

[The Gipper]

I think, maybe that they don't let the likes of  Rosey Grier and Jim Marshall in because they would be the third members of a famous DL to get in:   Fearsome Foursome has  Deacon Jones and Merlin Olsen;   Purple People Eaters have  Page and Eller.   Also many other Steele Curtain defenders are in, so no go for Greenwood.

[nickers]

Zombo said:

HC:   Bill Cowher,  Steelers NO

Punter:  Dave Jennings  Giants/Jets NO

Kicker:  Matt Stover  Browns/Ravens NO

Safety:  Tim McDonald 49ers NO

Safety: Johnny Robinson  Chiefs YES

S/CB  Dave Grayson  Raiders NO

CB:  Eric Allen   Eagles NO

LB:  Larry Grantham  Jets NO

LB: Leroy Jordan  Cowboys YES

LB: Cornelius Bennett,   Bills/Colts NO

DE: LC Greenwood,  Steelers YES

DT: Rosey Grier,  Rams YES

DT: Ron McDole  Redskins NO

DT: Alex Karras, Lions YES

OG: Bruno Banducci  Eagles/49ers NO

OT Lomas Brown  Giants NO

OT Jim Tyrer  Bears YOU MEAN CHIEFS? NO

OT D.i.c.k  Shafrath  Browns YES

OC  Kevin Mawae  Titans YES

TE  Pete Retzlaff Eagles NO

WR: Cliff Branch  Raiders NO

WR: Harold Jackson  Eagles NO

RB:  Roger Craig  49ers YES

RB: Edgerrin James  Colts YES

QB:  Ken Anderson  Bengals NO

CLAY MATTHEWS

I agree with Zombo here.. Only.. I would give a strong maybe to Cliff Branch and Lomas Brown.. Bill Cowher.. Your joking.. I saw nothing HOF about him.. Clay Mathews.. definitely belongs just on longevity alone.. most only last 4-6 years at the position..

[mjp28]

Clay Matthew's time is long overdue.

[Dawgs89]

Bill Cowher shouldn't sniff the hall of fame. 4 AFCCG losses at home. 1 SB win in 1 years. He has no shot.

[The Gipper]

@dawgs89 said:

Bill Cowher shouldn't sniff the hall of fame. 4 AFCCG losses at home. 1 SB win in 1 years. He has no shot.

Well, again, it is a comparison issue.  He went to and won 1 Super Bowl.    So did coach Don McCaffrey.    Tom Flores has 2 SB victories.  George Seifert has 2,  Jimmy Johnson has 2. 

He has as many as Barry Switzer, Brian Billick,  D.i.c.k Vermeil

Mike McCarthy has almost as many career wins as Cowher, plus he has as many titles....and a much better career win pct.

Same with Mike Tomlin.....more SB appearances, better win pct., closing in on total wins.

[Canton Dawg]

@mjp28 said:

Clay Matthew's time is long overdue.

I agree. . .

[Canton Mike]

Clay Matthews Jr. should be in the HOF without question!

I remember John Madden saying Clay was the best LB in the NFL when Clay was in his mid 30s.

Mike

[Browns149]

Not sure about Cowher 

He only won 1 Super Bowl with one of the greatest franchises of all time

Goerge Seifort never gets a sniff. And he did the same thing

[Browns149]

Going back and looking at Zombos list

No one on  that list belongs in a hall with Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, and Lawrence Taylor

[The Gipper]

@browns149 said:

Not sure about Cowher 

He only won 1 Super Bowl with one of the greatest franchises of all time

Goerge Seifort never gets a sniff. And he did the same thing

Seaford won two Super Bowl’sSeaford won two Supe12

[Canton Mike]

I'd like to add another name to that list....JERRY SHERK, another Brown who, like Clay Matthews Jr, would already have been in had voting been done by their peers. Maybe they just weren't "glamorous" enough, but those 2 were FOOTBALL players.

Mike

[TexasAg1969]

Lester Hayes CB  Raiders

Career highlights and awards
2× Super Bowl champion (XV, XVIII) 5× Pro Bowl (1980–1984) First-team All-Pro (1980) 5× Second-team All-Pro (1979, 1981–1984) NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1980) NFL interceptions leader (1980) NFL 1980s All-Decade Team

[mjp28]

@texasag1969 said:

Lester Hayes CB  Raiders

Career highlights and awards
2× Super Bowl champion (XV, XVIII) 5× Pro Bowl (1980–1984) First-team All-Pro (1980) 5× Second-team All-Pro (1979, 1981–1984) NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1980) NFL interceptions leader (1980) NFL 1980s All-Decade Team

I always liked Hayes, HOF worthy I don't know.

[Zombo]

@canton-dawg said:

I agree. . .

How do you play 268 games and only recover one fumble?

Zombo

[Dutch Oven]

Zombo said:

How do you play 268 games and only recover one fumble?

Zombo

That blows my mind too... Like I feel it almost has to be a typo?

[Ghoolie]

@the-gipper said:

StadiumTalk.com   has listed what it thinks are the 25 most deserving people who are not yet in the HOF, though they are and have been eligible.   I believe it has broken them down into positions.  Here they are:

HC:   Bill Cowher,  Steelers

Punter:  Dave Jennings  Giants/Jets

Kicker:  Matt Stover  Browns/Ravens

Safety:  Tim McDonald 49ers

Safety: Johnny Robinson  Chiefs

S/CB  Dave Grayson  Raiders

CB:  Eric Allen   Eagles

LB:  Larry Grantham  Jets

LB: Leroy Jordan  Cowboys

LB: Cornelius Bennett,   Bills/Colts

DE: LC Greenwood,  Steelers

DT: Rosey Grier,  Rams

DT: Ron McDole  Redskins

DT: Alex Karras, Lions

OG: Bruno Banducci  Eagles/49ers

OT Lomas Brown  Giants

OT Jim Tyrer  Bears

OT D.i.c.k  Shafrath  Browns

OC  Kevin Mawae  Titans

TE  Pete Retzlaff Eagles

WR: Cliff Branch  Raiders

WR: Harold Jackson  Eagles

RB:  Roger Craig  49ers

RB: Edgerrin James  Colts

QB:  Ken Anderson  Bengals

https://www.stadiumtalk.com/s/best-nfl-players-not-in-hall-of-fame-41a16878ca9746e3?utm_campaign=nothallfame-681d518f9f9e4218&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=fac&utm_content=247801

Tell where you agree or disagree......or who you would add at any particular position  

Too much bullschidt to read through. Really, who gives a phauck about this schidt? WHy not post about the Porno HOF? That would be interesting. 

[The Gipper]

@ghoolie said:

Too much bullschidt to read through. Really, who gives a phauck about this schidt? WHy not post about the Porno HOF? That would be interesting. 

Or how about the dickhead Hall of Fame you would be at the head of the line for induction

[Ghoolie]

@the-gipper said:

Or how about the dickhead Hall of Fame you would be at the head of the line for induction

That's the first intelligent thing you have said this week.