Best Players not in the HOF

nickers

Zombo said:

HC: Bill Cowher, Steelers NO

Punter: Dave Jennings Giants/Jets NO

Kicker: Matt Stover Browns/Ravens NO

Safety: Tim McDonald 49ers NO

Safety: Johnny Robinson Chiefs YES

S/CB Dave Grayson Raiders NO

CB: Eric Allen Eagles NO

LB: Larry Grantham Jets NO

LB: Leroy Jordan Cowboys YES

LB: Cornelius Bennett, Bills/Colts NO

DE: LC Greenwood, Steelers YES

DT: Rosey Grier, Rams YES

DT: Ron McDole Redskins NO

DT: Alex Karras, Lions YES

OG: Bruno Banducci Eagles/49ers NO

OT Lomas Brown Giants NO

OT Jim Tyrer Bears YOU MEAN CHIEFS? NO

OT D.i.c.k Shafrath Browns YES

OC Kevin Mawae Titans YES

TE Pete Retzlaff Eagles NO

WR: Cliff Branch Raiders NO

WR: Harold Jackson Eagles NO

RB: Roger Craig 49ers YES

RB: Edgerrin James Colts YES

QB: Ken Anderson Bengals NO

CLAY MATTHEWS

I agree with Zombo here.. Only.. I would give a strong maybe to Cliff Branch and Lomas Brown.. Bill Cowher.. Your joking.. I saw nothing HOF about him.. Clay Mathews.. definitely belongs just on longevity alone.. most only last 4-6 years at the position..

mjp28

Clay Matthew's time is long overdue.

Dawgs89

Bill Cowher shouldn't sniff the hall of fame. 4 AFCCG losses at home. 1 SB win in 1 years. He has no shot.

The Gipper

@dawgs89 said:

Bill Cowher shouldn't sniff the hall of fame. 4 AFCCG losses at home. 1 SB win in 1 years. He has no shot.

Well, again, it is a comparison issue. He went to and won 1 Super Bowl. So did coach Don McCaffrey. Tom Flores has 2 SB victories. George Seifert has 2, Jimmy Johnson has 2.

He has as many as Barry Switzer, Brian Billick, D.i.c.k Vermeil

Mike McCarthy has almost as many career wins as Cowher, plus he has as many titles....and a much better career win pct.

Same with Mike Tomlin.....more SB appearances, better win pct., closing in on total wins.

Canton Dawg

@mjp28 said:

Clay Matthew's time is long overdue.

I agree. . .

Canton Mike

Clay Matthews Jr. should be in the HOF without question!

I remember John Madden saying Clay was the best LB in the NFL when Clay was in his mid 30s.

Mike

Browns149

Not sure about Cowher

He only won 1 Super Bowl with one of the greatest franchises of all time

Goerge Seifort never gets a sniff. And he did the same thing

Browns149

Going back and looking at Zombos list

No one on that list belongs in a hall with Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, and Lawrence Taylor

The Gipper

@browns149 said:

Not sure about Cowher

He only won 1 Super Bowl with one of the greatest franchises of all time

Goerge Seifort never gets a sniff. And he did the same thing

Seaford won two Super Bowl’sSeaford won two Supe12

Canton Mike

I'd like to add another name to that list....JERRY SHERK, another Brown who, like Clay Matthews Jr, would already have been in had voting been done by their peers. Maybe they just weren't "glamorous" enough, but those 2 were FOOTBALL players.

Mike

TexasAg1969

Lester Hayes CB Raiders

Career highlights and awards
2× Super Bowl champion (XV, XVIII) 5× Pro Bowl (1980–1984) First-team All-Pro (1980) 5× Second-team All-Pro (1979, 1981–1984) NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1980) NFL interceptions leader (1980) NFL 1980s All-Decade Team

mjp28

@texasag1969 said:

Lester Hayes CB Raiders

Career highlights and awards

2× Super Bowl champion (XV, XVIII)

5× Pro Bowl (1980–1984)

First-team All-Pro (1980)

5× Second-team All-Pro (1979, 1981–1984)

NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1980)

NFL interceptions leader (1980)

NFL 1980s All-Decade Team

I always liked Hayes, HOF worthy I don't know.

Zombo

@canton-dawg said:

I agree. . .

How do you play 268 games and only recover one fumble?

Zombo

Dutch Oven

Zombo said:

How do you play 268 games and only recover one fumble?

Zombo

That blows my mind too... Like I feel it almost has to be a typo?

Ghoolie

@the-gipper said:

StadiumTalk.com has listed what it thinks are the 25 most deserving people who are not yet in the HOF, though they are and have been eligible. I believe it has broken them down into positions. Here they are:

HC: Bill Cowher, Steelers

Punter: Dave Jennings Giants/Jets

Kicker: Matt Stover Browns/Ravens

Safety: Tim McDonald 49ers

Safety: Johnny Robinson Chiefs

S/CB Dave Grayson Raiders

CB: Eric Allen Eagles

LB: Larry Grantham Jets

LB: Leroy Jordan Cowboys

LB: Cornelius Bennett, Bills/Colts

DE: LC Greenwood, Steelers

DT: Rosey Grier, Rams

DT: Ron McDole Redskins

DT: Alex Karras, Lions

OG: Bruno Banducci Eagles/49ers

OT Lomas Brown Giants

OT Jim Tyrer Bears

OT D.i.c.k Shafrath Browns

OC Kevin Mawae Titans

TE Pete Retzlaff Eagles

WR: Cliff Branch Raiders

WR: Harold Jackson Eagles

RB: Roger Craig 49ers

RB: Edgerrin James Colts

QB: Ken Anderson Bengals

https://www.stadiumtalk.com/s/best-nfl-players-not-in-hall-of-fame-41a16878ca9746e3?utm_campaign=nothallfame-681d518f9f9e4218&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=fac&utm_content=247801

Tell where you agree or disagree......or who you would add at any particular position

Too much bullschidt to read through. Really, who gives a phauck about this schidt? WHy not post about the Porno HOF? That would be interesting.

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:

Too much bullschidt to read through. Really, who gives a phauck about this schidt? WHy not post about the Porno HOF? That would be interesting.

Or how about the dickhead Hall of Fame you would be at the head of the line for induction

Ghoolie

@the-gipper said:

Or how about the dickhead Hall of Fame you would be at the head of the line for induction

That's the first intelligent thing you have said this week.

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:

That's the first intelligent thing you have said this week.

We are still waiting for your first intelligent thing this weekWe are still waiting for your first intelligent thing this week

mjp28

@dutch-oven said:

That blows my mind too... Like I feel it almost has to be a typo?

That's it one fumble recovery including the playoffs from pro football reference. Junior Seau already in the HOF:

	Games	Def Interceptions	Fumbles		Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career				268	243	18	238	0	42	23	11	1	18	66	1	56.5		1522	324				187
13 yrs	SDG			200	199	15	210	0	42	13	11	1	16	66	1	47.0		1286	192				160
4 yrs	NWE			38	16	3	28	0	23	5	0	0	1	0	0	4.5		121	58				12
1990	21	SDG	RILB	55	16	15											1.0	85	85	0				7
1991*	22	SDG	RILB	55	16	16											7.0	129	129	0				9
1992*+	23	SDG	RLB	55	15	15	2	51	0	29	0	1	0	1	10	0	4.5	102	102	0				16
1993*+	24	SDG	RLB	55	16	16	2	58	0	42	0	1	0	1	21	0		129	129	0				15
1994*+	25	SDG	RLB	55	16	16						1	0	3	0	0	5.5	155	124	31				15
1995*	26	SDG	RLB	55	16	16	2	5	0	3	0	1	0	3	30	1	2.0	130	111	19				14
1996*+	27	SDG	RLB	55	15	15	2	18	0	10	0	1	0	3	0	0	7.0	138	110	28				14
1997*	28	SDG	RLB	55	15	15	2	33	0	26	0	1	1	2	5	0	7.0	97	84	13				11
1998*+	29	SDG	RLB	55	16	16						1	0	2	0	0	3.5	115	92	23				17
1999*	30	SDG	LB	55	14	14	1	16	0	16	0	1	0	1	0	0	3.5	99	75	24	13	3		12
2000*+	31	SDG	lb	55	16	16	2	2	0	2	0	1	0	0	0	0	3.5	122	103	19	15	4		12
2001*	32	SDG	LB	55	16	16	1	2	0	2	6	1	0	0	0	0	1.0	94	83	11	9	1		10
2002*	33	SDG	LB/rolb	55	13	13	1	25	0	25	7	1	0	0	0	0	1.5	83	59	24	11	2		8
2003	34	MIA	LB	55	15	15	0	0	0	0	3						3.0	96	66	30	12	2		8
2004	35	MIA	LB	55	8	8	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0	0	1.0	57	31	26	5	0		5
2005	36	MIA	lb	55	7	5	0	0	0	0	1						1.0	36	18	18	1	0		2
2006	37	NWE	LB/mlb	55	11	10	0	0	0	0	1						1.0	69	39	30	5	4		6
2007	38	NWE	lb	55	16	4	3	28	0	23	4						3.5	74	58	16	9	6		4
2008	39	NWE	lb	55	4	2												22	15	7				1
2009	40	NWE		55	7	0						0	0	1	0	0		14	9	5	0	1		1

Clay Matthews Jr. bio still waiting:

	Games	Def Interceptions	Fumbles		Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career				278	248	16	206	1	36	0	27	1	14	29	1	69.5		1561	34				137
16 yrs	CLE			232	216	14	205	1	36	0	24	1	13	29	1	62.0		1430	0				124
1978	22	CLE	lb	57	15	2	1	5	0	5	0							34	34	0				1
1979	23	CLE	RLB/rolb	57	16	16	1	30	0	30	0		0	2	0	0		103	103	0				6
1980	24	CLE	ROLB	57	14	13	1	6	0	6	0		0	1	0	0		83	83	0				6
1981	25	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16	2	14	0	8	0		0	2	16	0		128	128	0				8
1982	26	CLE	lb	57	2	1												11	11	0				1
1983	27	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16						4	0	0	0	0	6.0	106	106	0				7
1984	28	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16						3	0	1	0	0	12.0	126	126	0				13
1985*	29	CLE	ROLB	57	14	14						1	0	1	15	0	6.0	88	88	0				10
1986	30	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16	2	12	0	8	0	2	0	0	0	0	1.0	89	89	0				7
1987*	31	CLE	ROLB	57	12	12	3	62	1	36	0		0	2	0	0	2.5	72	72	0				13
1988*	32	CLE	ROLB	57	16	16							0	2	0	0	6.0	101	101	0				11
1989*	33	CLE	LLB	57	16	16	1	25	0	25	0	3	1	2	-2	1	4.0	113	113	0				13
1990	34	CLE	LLB	57	16	16						3	0	0	0	0	3.5	102	102	0				5
1991	35	CLE	RLB	57	15	15	1	35	0	35	0	3	0	0	0	0	6.5	80	80	0				7
1992	36	CLE	RLB	57	16	16	1	6	0	6	0	3	0	0	0	0	9.0	111	111	0				8
1993	37	CLE	RLB	57	16	15	1	10	0	10	0	2	0	0	0	0	5.5	83	83	0				8
1994	38	ATL	LLB	57	15	15											1.0	90	71	19				5
1995	39	ATL	LLB	57	16	16	2	1	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0		63	49	14				7
1996	40	ATL	lb	57	15	1						3	0	0	0	0	6.5	12	11	1				1

mjp28

Nearly identical career numbers? Maybe Junior getting some sympathy votes for his tragic death?

It does show how subjective any voted in awards can be at times.