A Case For Hue

[Dutch Oven]

No team was worse against the spread than the Browns in 2016 and 2017. 

There seems to be this narrative that during the 1-31 stretch the Browns lost a ton of close games, but the above stat says that it isn't true. 

In those 32 games, how many times do we guess the Browns were favored? Maybe once or twice? So basically, the Browns were picked to lose almost every game, and because they were the worst against the spread, that means they were consistently worse than predicted. 

[flyingfooldoug]

My case for Hue? Lincoln Riley!

 Local rumor.

[jiggins7919]

@jcam222 said:

As a different take on that imagine what it took to get within 3 points of any team with our garbage roster the last 2 years

And I think this is actually a brilliant point and definitely worth mentioning. I really do. In fact, I've brought up a few times that Hue's players never quit and that's impressive considering just how terrible we were. We fought until the end of every miserable season under Hue Jackson. 

But the lack of close game finishes are what will ultimately be Hue's demise, whether it's fair or not. This is why the Oakland game hurt so very much. We had a chance to stack wins for the first time since forever. We had a chance for our defense to make two consecutive game-clinching stops in a row. We had a chance to prove WE WEREN'T the "same old Browns"....but we didn't. This is why this loss hurts more than just about any other. It was a chance to slay so many demons, yet the demons proved once again they are still in command. 

What this team needs is a "signature win". It's all fine and dandy to be a scrappy young team that's not a pushover anymore, but to really be taken seriously, the Browns need a signature victory. I'm not going to lie, this match-up against the Ravens could very well be our most difficult task all season, and we obviously have to play them again. When you really look at the numbers for each team, this figures to be an "auto loss" for the Browns, and I've basically said as much. But....BUT....

Sometimes in rivalry games you have to throw the numbers out the window. There are times when it doesn't matter who the better team is, or who is "supposed to win". Again, this why you play the game, right? As many have mentioned, just ask the Vikings when they played the Bills. 

That being said, the Ravens aren't going to take the Browns for granted. They know full well how tough we can be, regardless of our record. We've fought them tooth and nail, down to the wire even in our miserable last two years. A part of me says, "Isn't it about time for us to have a magical game? Isn't it about time we have a game where everything goes right? Where we make that last play? Where the ref doesn't blow the ball dead and we run it back for a TD? Where we actually hit the wide open Callaway for the TD? The game where we're praying for somebody to finish the game, and somebody actually DOES IT?"

Man, I really hope so. 

[Tour2ma]

@orion said:

This is when I knew Hue had to go:  Oct 23rd 2016 -  we're 0-6, losing in the game,  with 1:10 left we punt from their 43 yard line.  We each have 2 TO's left.  And we had not really been able to stop their offense.  *** The Bengals came out and ran the ball up the gutt.  And they all got up slowly and meandered towards the huddle.  I was like, "Great!  They're gonna run out the clock.  But nope! !  Hue called TO !!!   So when they ran it up the gutt and got a 1st down, they decided, heck, why don't we try and score?  Maybe he'll call his last TO for us along the way.

Britton Colquitt punts 28 yards, fair catch by Alex Erickson	10	14	0.400	0.220
2	1:03	1	10	CIN 15	Giovani Bernard right guard for 5 yards (tackle by Christian Kirksey)	10	14	-0.220	0.080
2	0:58	1	10	CIN 15	Timeout #2 by Cleveland Browns	10	14	0.000	0.000
2	0:58	2	5	CIN 20	Giovani Bernard right guard for 6 yards (tackle by Xavier Cooper)	10	14	0.080	0.670
2	0:47	2	5	CIN 20	Timeout #2 by Cincinnati Bengals	10	14	0.000	0.000
2	0:47	1	10	CIN 26	Andy Dalton pass complete short middle to Tyler Eifert for 9 yards (tackle by Tracy Howard)	10	14	0.670	1.350
2	0:26	2	1	CIN 35	Andy Dalton pass complete short right to A.J. Green for 16 yards (tackle by Briean Boddy-Calhoun)	10	14	1.350	2.320
2	0:20	1	10	CLE 49	Andy Dalton sacked by Emmanuel Ogbah for -6 yards	10	14	2.320	0.970
2	0:12	1	10	CLE 49	Timeout #3 by Cincinnati Bengals	10	14	0.000	0.000
2	0:12	2	16	CIN 45	Andy Dalton pass complete short right to Giovani Bernard for 7 yards	10	14	0.970	1.220
2	0:07	3	9	CLE 48	Andy Dalton pass complete deep middle to A.J. Green for 48 yards, touchdown	10	20	1.220	7.000
2	0:07			CLE 48	Mike Nugent kicks extra point good

So it was Hue's fault that we gave up a 48 yd TD pass with 7 seconds to go in the half?

[TexasAg1969]

@tour2ma said:

So it was Hue's fault that we gave up a 48 yd TD pass with 7 seconds to go in the half?

Yes, in fact it was because that play would never have even happened had he NOT called a TO. It was stupid clock management.

[Orion]

@tour2ma said:

So it was Hue's fault that we gave up a 48 yd TD pass with 7 seconds to go in the half?

That was the football Gods whacking Hue's pee-pee for letting it get to that point.

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I REALLY should have gone over the happenings PRIOR to us punting to them with 1:10 remaining.

With 2:00 left in the half Col. Hogan scrambles for 7 yards to the Bengals 38 bringing up 4th and 3.  (remember, we're 0-6 and losing yet again)  -  Hue can't figure out what he wants to do...he's talking to the QB...talking into outer space....he decides to let the clock run out to take away as many seconds as possible from the Bengals.  (he HAD 2 TO's  -  he lost one earlier in a challenge).    

The above is the 'backdrop' that make's Hue's calling TO for the Bengals so mind boggling! 

(he took a delay of game penalty to milk the clock...punted...and then called  TO  after their 1st play)

[Tour2ma]

@texasag1969 said:

Yes, in fact it was because that play would never have even happened had he NOT called a TO. It was stupid clock management.

Sorry, Ag... but that's just fukking ignorant.

Look at the full play-by-play up to that point. We were in the game. We called timeout to preserve time for our Offense who had come alive in the 2nd Qtr to close the score to 14-10. WE had CIN pinned deep in their own territtory. WE were looking to at least get a FG before the half. We had the momentum...

This place is getting so hindsight happy it's ridiculous...

[TexasAg1969]

@tour2ma said:

Sorry, Ag... but that's just fukking ignorant.

Look at the full play-by-play up to that point. We were in the game. We called timeout to preserve time for our Offense who had come alive in the 2nd Qtr to close the score to 14-10. WE had CIN pinned deep in their own territtory. WE were looking to at least get a FG before the half. We had the momentum...

This place is getting so hindsight happy it's ridiculous...

Hey, that's my specialty. Don't knock it!?

[Tour2ma]

@texasag1969 said:

Hey, that's my specialty. Don't knock it!?

lol....

Duly noted...

[Marc1971]

Zombo said:

I think we all just need a sacrificial lamb after those frustrating finishes in three of four games.

I want special teams coach Amos Jone's head on a stick.

Z

Like in that movie Wolf Creek?

[darren15]

Fester speaks ...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1049057209823330304

[D Bone]

He's soooo awkward. 

[Nero]

@d-bone said:

He's soooo awkward. 

The best thing about these speaches is that he gives balls to the Haslams and Dorsey, let's the GM break the huddle today... 

That's the losingest coach in the NFL for you. 

[D Bone]

@nero said:

The best thing about these speaches is that he gives balls to the Haslams and Dorsey, let's the GM break the huddle today... 

That's the losingest coach in the NFL for you. 

He's a good dude in everyday life for sure. 

[LondonBrown]

@nero said:

The best thing about these speaches is that he gives balls to the Haslams and Dorsey, let's the GM break the huddle today... 

That's the losingest coach in the NFL for you. 

Yeah it’s very cringeworthy 

To me the Browns are winning games despite Hue not because of 

[Nero]

@d-bone said:

He's a good dude in everyday life for sure. 

Indeed. But he feels like he has to prove his worth every single time ''I said, I told...'' 

I guess I wouldn't be very different if they kept me after 1 win after 2 seasons, but he needs to build up some confidence and stop thinking about himself and think about the team he is meant to command. 

[D Bone]

@nero said:

Indeed. But he feels like he has to prove his worth every single time ''I said, I told...'' 

I guess I wouldn't be very different if they kept me after 1 win after 2 seasons, but he needs to build up some confidence and stop thinking about himself and think about the team he is meant to command. 

Yep, he'll finally be the leader when he doesn't have to tell everyone he's the leader.  

[Dutch Oven]

@londonbrown said:

Yeah it’s very cringeworthy 

To me the Browns are winning games despite Hue not because of 

Like the Browns are now starting to look like a legit NFL organization despite the Sashi years preceding it? 

I know exactly what you mean. 

[LondonBrown]

@dutch-oven said:

Like the Browns are now starting to look like a legit NFL organization despite the Sashi years preceding it? 

I know exactly what you mean. 

You’re obsessed with Sashi Brown , it’s really weird 

[hoorta]

@londonbrown said:

You’re obsessed with Sashi Brown , it’s really weird 

Well, some can't let it go. Sashi is ancient history. The Dorsey Era has begun.