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What Does The Bible Say About False Accusers And #BelieveWomen?

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    @clevfan4life said:

    obf  srsly...stop with the bible horsesht. Like woody said, in the ole days u could rape a woman and just pay a couple shek'odoodles and alls good in dahood. Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. But leave the piece of dirty no good shtbook called the bible out of our discussions.

    That book along with its cousins tbe torah and the koran....are indirectly AND directly responsible for the way the human psyche has evolved. And whats heartbreaking is the irony that the life and teachings of a great man were utterly bolloxed by the ngr fgts of his day that saw their opportunity to.usurp his msg for their gain. 

    So this is nobody gives one singular fuk about a book written by people who were slavers, kiddy fukkers and general exploiters of people. U want a modern day discussion about our problems based on the rational, reasonable intellect god gave all men to be able to think critically about the problems that beset them.....all for it.

    So as far as you're concerned since the Bible is written in a different time that bearing false witness against innocent people is now cool? Because today women are incapable of lying?

    PS I'm almost laughing out loud at the curry just stand you take against exploiting people. Especially in this situation.

    WSS

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    @westside-steve said:

    So as far as you're concerned since the Bible is written in a different time that bearing false witness against innocent people is now cool? 

    can u read dude?

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      obf  srsly...stop with the bible horsesht. Like woody said, in the ole days u could rape a woman and just pay a couple shek'odoodles and alls good in dahood. Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. But leave the piece of dirty no good shtbook called the bible out of our discussions.

      That book along with its cousins tbe torah and the koran....are indirectly AND directly responsible for the way the human psyche has evolved. And whats heartbreaking is the irony that the life and teachings of a great man were utterly bolloxed by the ngr fgts of his day that saw their opportunity to.usurp his msg for their gain. 

      So this is nobody gives one singular fuk about a book written by people who were slavers, kiddy fukkers and general exploiters of people. U want a modern day discussion about our problems based on the rational, reasonable intellect god gave all men to be able to think critically about the problems that beset them.....all for it.

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      @clevfan4life said:

       Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. 

      can u recite that back to me steve? say it slowly and annunciate every vowel.....we're back in kindergarten now

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        obf  srsly...stop with the bible horsesht. Like woody said, in the ole days u could rape a woman and just pay a couple shek'odoodles and alls good in dahood. Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. But leave the piece of dirty no good shtbook called the bible out of our discussions.

        That book along with its cousins tbe torah and the koran....are indirectly AND directly responsible for the way the human psyche has evolved. And whats heartbreaking is the irony that the life and teachings of a great man were utterly bolloxed by the ngr fgts of his day that saw their opportunity to.usurp his msg for their gain. 

        So this is nobody gives one singular fuk about a book written by people who were slavers, kiddy fukkers and general exploiters of people. U want a modern day discussion about our problems based on the rational, reasonable intellect god gave all men to be able to think critically about the problems that beset them.....all for it.

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        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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        @clevfan4life said:

        obf  srsly...stop with the bible horsesht. Like woody said, in the ole days u could rape a woman and just pay a couple shek'odoodles and alls good in dahood. Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. But leave the piece of dirty no good shtbook called the bible out of our discussions.

        That book along with its cousins tbe torah and the koran....are indirectly AND directly responsible for the way the human psyche has evolved. And whats heartbreaking is the irony that the life and teachings of a great man were utterly bolloxed by the ngr fgts of his day that saw their opportunity to.usurp his msg for their gain. 

        So this is nobody gives one singular fuk about a book written by people who were slavers, kiddy fukkers and general exploiters of people. U want a modern day discussion about our problems based on the rational, reasonable intellect god gave all men to be able to think critically about the problems that beset them.....all for it.

        You should be thankful for the freedoms we have today because of a Christian culture that was put in place. Also be thankful our culture was not founded on atheism given the horrible results of atheistic governments in the past.

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          @clevfan4life said:

          obf  srsly...stop with the bible horsesht. Like woody said, in the ole days u could rape a woman and just pay a couple shek'odoodles and alls good in dahood. Im absolutely onboard with u that im completely uninterested in a world where women, or any of the generally filthy lying pos species called "humans", can upend anothers entire life with simple unproven uncorroborated accusations. But leave the piece of dirty no good shtbook called the bible out of our discussions.

          That book along with its cousins tbe torah and the koran....are indirectly AND directly responsible for the way the human psyche has evolved. And whats heartbreaking is the irony that the life and teachings of a great man were utterly bolloxed by the ngr fgts of his day that saw their opportunity to.usurp his msg for their gain. 

          So this is nobody gives one singular fuk about a book written by people who were slavers, kiddy fukkers and general exploiters of people. U want a modern day discussion about our problems based on the rational, reasonable intellect god gave all men to be able to think critically about the problems that beset them.....all for it.

          You should be thankful for the freedoms we have today because of a Christian culture that was put in place. Also be thankful our culture was not founded on atheism given the horrible results of atheistic governments in the past.

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          @oldbrownsfan said:

          You should be thankful for the freedoms we have today because of a Christian culture that was put in place. Also be thankful our culture was not founded on atheism given the horrible results of atheistic governments in the past.

          did that line work on ur grandkids? cause ive studied a bit of history and know a little something about "christian cultures" that ran sht in europe. The whole reason people came here was to.get away from christian theocracies. Our founding fathers wanted a rule of law based on observable, rational, rangiblw principles instead of sky wizards. But acknowledged said sky wizard as what the gen pop beleived in. Seperation of church and state for the 1 billionth time. 

          as to ur last point....what socities were directly founded in atheism? just because givts forbade overt displays of religion for the aforementioned reasons...didnt mean explicit atheism on the part of those people. This might be heady stuff, u should sut down and kick ur feet up if u wanna tackle this....

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            @oldbrownsfan said:

            You should be thankful for the freedoms we have today because of a Christian culture that was put in place. Also be thankful our culture was not founded on atheism given the horrible results of atheistic governments in the past.

            did that line work on ur grandkids? cause ive studied a bit of history and know a little something about "christian cultures" that ran sht in europe. The whole reason people came here was to.get away from christian theocracies. Our founding fathers wanted a rule of law based on observable, rational, rangiblw principles instead of sky wizards. But acknowledged said sky wizard as what the gen pop beleived in. Seperation of church and state for the 1 billionth time. 

            as to ur last point....what socities were directly founded in atheism? just because givts forbade overt displays of religion for the aforementioned reasons...didnt mean explicit atheism on the part of those people. This might be heady stuff, u should sut down and kick ur feet up if u wanna tackle this....

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            @clevfan4life said:

            did that line work on ur grandkids? cause ive studied a bit of history and know a little something about "christian cultures" that ran sht in europe. The whole reason people came here was to.get away from christian theocracies. Our founding fathers wanted a rule of law based on observable, rational, rangiblw principles instead of sky wizards. But acknowledged said sky wizard as what the gen pop beleived in. Seperation of church and state for the 1 billionth time. 

            as to ur last point....what socities were directly founded in atheism? just because givts forbade overt displays of religion for the aforementioned reasons...didnt mean explicit atheism on the part of those people. This might be heady stuff, u should sut down and kick ur feet up if u wanna tackle this....

             "America's Founding Fathers had the benefit of thousands of years of history to draw on when establishing their government. They could see what had failed in the past. There had been times when the state had absolute authority and persecuted the church. At other times the church had effective control of the state. The founders saw that neither of these extremes were ideal. They developed a system that stood the test of time. Observers everywhere generally agree that American's Founding Fathers achieved a solid balance between church and state, one consistent with biblical concepts.

            In a ten-year study undertaken at the Univesity of Houston, researchers examined 15,000 documents from America's founders and determined that 34% of their quotations came from the Bible, the highest by far of any source.

            But many people today reject the notion that the Bible should be used as a basis for law. "Narrow minded and outdated!" they say. Ideas have consequences. Let's examine the implications if the Bible is or is not the standard for society and its legal system.

            Without an objective standard of truth upon which to base society, the result is that whoever gains the most political power will dominate. Christians believe that the Bible offers ultimate, objective, and absolute truth—as opposed to relative "truth" (i.e., arbitrary "absolutes"). There was a general consensus on this point in America from the earliest settlers until only very recently.

            http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government

            Founding Father and educator Noah Webster (1758-1843) had this to say: "The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible

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              An important aspect of our system of government is that it is based on the Rule of Law. This concept is a direct descendant of Hebrew law and the Ten Commandments. Together with the concept of unalienable rights from God, these concepts helped ensure a way of life that respected the dignity of every individual. The combination of these biblical concepts is a foundation of our government that helps subjugate political power of potential tyrants. One only has to notice how every tyrant has a practice of changing the country's constitution to suit himself (or to butter the bread of those who put him in power).

              http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-bible-and-government

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                Wait... Christianity is taking credit for laws? 

                Oh man, have fun with this Cleve

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                  @westside-steve said:

                  So as far as you're concerned since the Bible is written in a different time that bearing false witness against innocent people is now cool? 

                  can u read dude?

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                  @clevfan4life said:

                  can u read dude?

                  That was some classic typical Steve

                  "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

                  "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

                  "...."

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                    Wait... Christianity is taking credit for laws? 

                    Oh man, have fun with this Cleve

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                    @mld-woody said:

                    Wait... Christianity is taking credit for laws? 

                    Oh man, have fun with this Cleve

                    The Bible and the Constitution

                    The United States Constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written. But then why wouldn’t it be, the very core of it comes straight from the Bible.  The men that authored our Constitution were not perfect men, but they knew where to find perfection.  Our Founding Fathers were men who knew and studied scripture.  Their lives were wrapped in God’s Word; it was the chief source of their education.  They relied on the Bible and philosopher’s whose own works and commentaries also relied on Holy Scripture.  Scripture is what all laws are to be based upon.  In Romans 13:3-4; “For rulers hold not terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good.”  Governments’ duty is to be God’s minister to the people. 

                    https://www.theamericanview.com/the-bible-and-the-constitution/

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                      @clevfan4life said:

                      can u read dude?

                      That was some classic typical Steve

                      "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

                      "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

                      "...."

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      That was some classic typical Steve

                      "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

                      "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

                      "...."

                      I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and  the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them.

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                        @mld-woody said:

                        That was some classic typical Steve

                        "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

                        "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

                        "...."

                        I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and  the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them.

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                        @oldbrownsfan said:

                        I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and  the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them.

                        have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. 

                        Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". 

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                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                          I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and  the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them.

                          have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. 

                          Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". 

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                          @clevfan4life said:

                          have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. 

                          Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". 

                          What you want to believe or I want to believe is irrelevant. What are the facts. The facts back up what I am saying. You can deny it like some can deny the tide doesn't rise....but that doesn't stop the tide from rising does it? Don't mistake what I am saying. I don't believe the founders set up a Christian nation. They set up a nation where people of all faiths or no faith can live. I am speaking of the biblical influences of the founders that found it's way into their writings.

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                            The United States Constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written. But then why wouldn’t it be, the very core of it comes straight from the Bible.  The men that authored our Constitution were not perfect men, but they knew where to find perfection

                            Oh geeeezzzz

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                              @clevfan4life said:

                              have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. 

                              Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". 

                              What you want to believe or I want to believe is irrelevant. What are the facts. The facts back up what I am saying. You can deny it like some can deny the tide doesn't rise....but that doesn't stop the tide from rising does it? Don't mistake what I am saying. I don't believe the founders set up a Christian nation. They set up a nation where people of all faiths or no faith can live. I am speaking of the biblical influences of the founders that found it's way into their writings.

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                              I don't believe the founders set up a Christian nation. They set up a nation where people of all faiths or no faith can live. I am speaking of the biblical influences of the founders that found it's way into their writings.

                              so you realize that entails all of those people, have to make accomodations for each other. That goes for Atheists too. There's things that people of religion get to enjoy, like tax exemptions for ex. But at the same time there's things people of religion have to understand they're not going to get. Abortion, prime example. You Christians can ex communicate people found to have abortions from your flocks. I, having zero interest in your religion...don't want to be legally bound by your faith on that issue. You all have the right to want to be exempt from behaviors that you don't condone based on your faiths, but you don't have the right to expect me or anyone that doesn't believe in sky wizard to abide by an article of your faith. Is that clear enough? And that right there is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind. 

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                                  Free will is the foundation of Christianity. it is not something ever forced. It is a message that is preached where some respond and willingly accept the gospel message and want to become a Christian. People are free to reject it. The reason I am for making abortions illegal is because there is another life involved. It is not just a part of the mother like an arm or leg but a whole new human being. Science itself shows that to be true. 

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                                    Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh

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                                        Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh

                                        It kinda takes away the science denier argument you like to use.

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh

                                          It kinda takes away the science denier argument you like to use.

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                                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                                          It kinda takes away the science denier argument you like to use.

                                          Until you start heavily cherry picking what you like to use, and then incorrectly referencing what you do use...

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