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What Does The Bible Say About False Accusers And #BelieveWomen?

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  • C Clevfan4life

    @westside-steve said:

    So as far as you're concerned since the Bible is written in a different time that bearing false witness against innocent people is now cool? 

    can u read dude?

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    @clevfan4life said:

    can u read dude?

    That was some classic typical Steve

    "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

    "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

    "...."

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      Wait... Christianity is taking credit for laws? 

      Oh man, have fun with this Cleve

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      @mld-woody said:

      Wait... Christianity is taking credit for laws? 

      Oh man, have fun with this Cleve

      The Bible and the Constitution

      The United States Constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written. But then why wouldn’t it be, the very core of it comes straight from the Bible.  The men that authored our Constitution were not perfect men, but they knew where to find perfection.  Our Founding Fathers were men who knew and studied scripture.  Their lives were wrapped in God’s Word; it was the chief source of their education.  They relied on the Bible and philosopher’s whose own works and commentaries also relied on Holy Scripture.  Scripture is what all laws are to be based upon.  In Romans 13:3-4; “For rulers hold not terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good.”  Governments’ duty is to be God’s minister to the people. 

      https://www.theamericanview.com/the-bible-and-the-constitution/

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        @clevfan4life said:

        can u read dude?

        That was some classic typical Steve

        "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

        "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

        "...."

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        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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        @mld-woody said:

        That was some classic typical Steve

        "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

        "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

        "...."

        I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and  the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them.

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          @mld-woody said:

          That was some classic typical Steve

          "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

          "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

          "...."

          I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and  the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them.

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          C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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          @oldbrownsfan said:

          I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and  the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them.

          have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. 

          Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". 

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            @oldbrownsfan said:

            I was making the point that due process and presumption of innocence were foundational to our justice system and their roots are biblical and cleve said the bible wasn't the best reason for this but the bible is the reason for this and  the concept dates back to Moses. The facts are the facts...Cleve may not like them but it doesn't change them.

            have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. 

            Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". 

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            @clevfan4life said:

            have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. 

            Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". 

            What you want to believe or I want to believe is irrelevant. What are the facts. The facts back up what I am saying. You can deny it like some can deny the tide doesn't rise....but that doesn't stop the tide from rising does it? Don't mistake what I am saying. I don't believe the founders set up a Christian nation. They set up a nation where people of all faiths or no faith can live. I am speaking of the biblical influences of the founders that found it's way into their writings.

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              The United States Constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written. But then why wouldn’t it be, the very core of it comes straight from the Bible.  The men that authored our Constitution were not perfect men, but they knew where to find perfection

              Oh geeeezzzz

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                @clevfan4life said:

                have you ever, in ur entire life, read "anything" about what was going on in Europe during the middle ages? Both men and women would be sent before the inquisition on mere whispers. THAT, and ONLY THAT....was the reason why the founding fathers put into the constitution what they did. The people back then wanted NO FUKKING PART of the old theocracies. It was suffocating horsesht. Did you know that early settlements had a serious enough problem retaining settlers that Benjamin Franklin had to write back about it? They built fortifications to keep the settlers in...that's something we never learned. But the letter written by Franklin back to England is proof positive. People "FLOCKED" to the native Americans. Women especially since the natives they encountered there on the east coast treated women entirely different. But the running narrative about natives always focuse's on the violent tribes like the apache that all the other tribes had issues with. 

                Point is, the bible is not the founding basis of our constitution no matter how much you want to believe it....otherwise, the church would have run sht from the beginning. Period, end of discussion. There's nothing more for you to say. Your bullsht doesn't trump historical "facts". 

                What you want to believe or I want to believe is irrelevant. What are the facts. The facts back up what I am saying. You can deny it like some can deny the tide doesn't rise....but that doesn't stop the tide from rising does it? Don't mistake what I am saying. I don't believe the founders set up a Christian nation. They set up a nation where people of all faiths or no faith can live. I am speaking of the biblical influences of the founders that found it's way into their writings.

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                @oldbrownsfan said:

                I don't believe the founders set up a Christian nation. They set up a nation where people of all faiths or no faith can live. I am speaking of the biblical influences of the founders that found it's way into their writings.

                so you realize that entails all of those people, have to make accomodations for each other. That goes for Atheists too. There's things that people of religion get to enjoy, like tax exemptions for ex. But at the same time there's things people of religion have to understand they're not going to get. Abortion, prime example. You Christians can ex communicate people found to have abortions from your flocks. I, having zero interest in your religion...don't want to be legally bound by your faith on that issue. You all have the right to want to be exempt from behaviors that you don't condone based on your faiths, but you don't have the right to expect me or anyone that doesn't believe in sky wizard to abide by an article of your faith. Is that clear enough? And that right there is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind. 

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                    Free will is the foundation of Christianity. it is not something ever forced. It is a message that is preached where some respond and willingly accept the gospel message and want to become a Christian. People are free to reject it. The reason I am for making abortions illegal is because there is another life involved. It is not just a part of the mother like an arm or leg but a whole new human being. Science itself shows that to be true. 

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                      Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh

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                          Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh

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                          @mld-woody said:

                          Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh

                          It kinda takes away the science denier argument you like to use.

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                            @mld-woody said:

                            Whenever I see the religion guy referring to science to back up his points I have to have a little laugh

                            It kinda takes away the science denier argument you like to use.

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                            @oldbrownsfan said:

                            It kinda takes away the science denier argument you like to use.

                            Until you start heavily cherry picking what you like to use, and then incorrectly referencing what you do use...

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                              @oldbrownsfan said:

                              It kinda takes away the science denier argument you like to use.

                              Until you start heavily cherry picking what you like to use, and then incorrectly referencing what you do use...

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              Until you start heavily cherry picking what you like to use, and then incorrectly referencing what you do use...

                              The science you use for arguing climate change is not even settled science. I don't believe it can be argued that a baby in the womb is not a unique separate individual human being. That is settled science.  

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                                here is science u cannot deny, when that baby is in the womb it is part of the mother. It isnt seperate, it could not live without the mother. If something goes awry with the pregnancy the mother very often suffers severe complications and in generations past....she most often died when complications arose.

                                end of debate on that front. Its part of HER body. End of discussion. Now, u are still free to be distasteful of abortion....im not the buggest fan of women who get reg abortions as a form of birth control. But they arent the norm.

                                The norm is women who are in the wrong place andvthe wrong time and have been left high and dry by a man. So they would gave to care almost exclusively fir the child which means working....something c9bservatives are ceaselessly contemptuous of. 

                                u just cant win with Retarded conservatives that on the one hand bemoan female equality in the workplace,  bemoan social netting etc,etc.....then effirtlessly hop on the pro life wagon as if women arent taking all those social and economic circumstances into their decision.

                                And listen, im not even bringing up circumstances of rape and incest. Ill be cery clear if the supreme court even thinks about hearing a case which would essentially sanction men passing their genes on by force. Im ALL for civil war. All for it. The U.S can dissolve. We're essentially then going back to europe in the dark ages, a place people git in rafts to cross a huge body of water to get away from.

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                                  here is science u cannot deny, when that baby is in the womb it is part of the mother. It isnt seperate, it could not live without the mother. If something goes awry with the pregnancy the mother very often suffers severe complications and in generations past....she most often died when complications arose.

                                  end of debate on that front. Its part of HER body. End of discussion. Now, u are still free to be distasteful of abortion....im not the buggest fan of women who get reg abortions as a form of birth control. But they arent the norm.

                                  The norm is women who are in the wrong place andvthe wrong time and have been left high and dry by a man. So they would gave to care almost exclusively fir the child which means working....something c9bservatives are ceaselessly contemptuous of. 

                                  u just cant win with Retarded conservatives that on the one hand bemoan female equality in the workplace,  bemoan social netting etc,etc.....then effirtlessly hop on the pro life wagon as if women arent taking all those social and economic circumstances into their decision.

                                  And listen, im not even bringing up circumstances of rape and incest. Ill be cery clear if the supreme court even thinks about hearing a case which would essentially sanction men passing their genes on by force. Im ALL for civil war. All for it. The U.S can dissolve. We're essentially then going back to europe in the dark ages, a place people git in rafts to cross a huge body of water to get away from.

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                                  OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                  @clevfan4life said:

                                  here is science u cannot deny, when that baby is in the womb it is part of the mother. It isnt seperate, it could not live without the mother. If something goes awry with the pregnancy the mother very often suffers severe complications and in generations past....she most often died when complications arose.

                                  end of debate on that front. Its part of HER body. End of discussion. Now, u are still free to be distasteful of abortion....im not the buggest fan of women who get reg abortions as a form of birth control. But they arent the norm.

                                  The norm is women who are in the wrong place andvthe wrong time and have been left high and dry by a man. So they would gave to care almost exclusively fir the child which means working....something c9bservatives are ceaselessly contemptuous of. 

                                  u just cant win with Retarded conservatives that on the one hand bemoan female equality in the workplace,  bemoan social netting etc,etc.....then effirtlessly hop on the pro life wagon as if women arent taking all those social and economic circumstances into their decision.

                                  And listen, im not even bringing up circumstances of rape and incest. Ill be cery clear if the supreme court even thinks about hearing a case which would essentially sanction men passing their genes on by force. Im ALL for civil war. All for it. The U.S can dissolve. We're essentially then going back to europe in the dark ages, a place people git in rafts to cross a huge body of water to get away from.

                                  And something you cannot ignore or hide is that pro choice is just a sanitized word for killing a baby in the womb. And that baby is a separate human being...period end of story. Saying the baby is dependent on the mother doesn't change that fact. Most abortions are done out of convenience..another unhappy fact. 

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                                    All of this depends a lot of how you define things OBF. And I have a feeling your definitions don't match the norm for modern medicine. 

                                    I'd also argue "baby murder" is the sensationalized wording...

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                                      @clevfan4life said:

                                      can u read dude?

                                      That was some classic typical Steve

                                      "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

                                      "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

                                      "...."

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      That was some classic typical Steve

                                      "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

                                      "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

                                      "...."

                                      Actually the two points that are specifically valid are that because you and Cleve are idiots you automatically stand against any guideline mentioned just because they might possibly be in the Bible. II point which is perfectly clear is that you and cleve are cnts of the first order.

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                                        All of this depends a lot of how you define things OBF. And I have a feeling your definitions don't match the norm for modern medicine. 

                                        I'd also argue "baby murder" is the sensationalized wording...

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                                        @mld-woody said:

                                        All of this depends a lot of how you define things OBF. And I have a feeling your definitions don't match the norm for modern medicine. 

                                        I'd also argue "baby murder" is the sensationalized wording...

                                        Abortionists agree: abortion is killing

                                        https://www.liveaction.org/news/abortionists-agree-abortion-is-killing/

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          That was some classic typical Steve

                                          "While I think it is wrong to assume all accusers are right and for the defendant to be guilty until proven innocent, I don't think the Bible is the best reason for this"

                                          "You think the Bible doesn't count?!??? You must think all women should be assumed to be right all of the time then!!??"

                                          "...."

                                          Actually the two points that are specifically valid are that because you and Cleve are idiots you automatically stand against any guideline mentioned just because they might possibly be in the Bible. II point which is perfectly clear is that you and cleve are cnts of the first order.

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                                          @westside-steve said:

                                          . II point which is perfectly clear is that you and cleve are cnts of the first order

                                          just spell it with a K dhipshit

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