Fire the Kicker
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I can't get a good angle on the ball, but my soccer instinct tells me that ball must have been tipped, for the next reason:
1. The speed is not constant. Footballs lose speed when reaching the bars, but they don't reach them that slow after being kicked that fast (if it had left the grass slowly, we could have seen that there was no tip).
2. The angle it makes it's very weird. Looking at the video slowly (0:22) I'd say that part of the blame goes to the blocking unit, but also to the kicker. The angle he kicks it with I'd say it's a bit low, and that's why it gets tipped and then starts falling to cross the crossboard by a few inches. There's not that much distance to lose that much height at the speed he kicks it with.
The good news for me is that watching the his kicking motion, he is really a soccer player. Hopefully he'll get to know that you have to kick it with a higher angle so you avoid getting tipped not losing any distance. The ball I'd say makes a 40º angle with the ground when leaving it and if I'm not mistaken 45º is more efficient and would have avoided it being tipped.
Hopefully he'll get to know that you have to kick it with a higher angle so you avoid getting tipped not losing any distance.
He hit the ball a tad too high, i.e., too much towards its middle.
He'll be fine...
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I know it's not that guy in the frame I posted the one that tips the FG. I'm just pointing at the shooting angle on that frame.
If you watch the video, you can see how the one that gets inside penetration enters the shot and falls, and looking at the "height" he enters the shot, you can see why the ball was tipped.
So we know it was definitely partially blocked, but do we know how to fix the problem? I can't imagine the outrage that would've followed if the block prevented the FG from being good.
Maybe someone who knows more about FG protection can help me out. I read in an article that our backup TE was responsible for blocking two people on the game winner. The author intimated that it was a special teams coaching mistake having our TE matched up on two people by himself. Is this normal? Or did we have a protection breakdown? Cuz let me tell you, things would've gotten UGLY if they blocked that kick from going through, lol. Also, when the Steelers potential winning kick was blocked, it appeared as if three Steelers ran over Bitonio to get the ball. Why not just rush three players at one blocker every time? So many NFL games come down to just a few points. Our special teams are such garbage, I just hope they don't cause us to lose any other games in horrific, heartbreaking fashion. Lol.
Is this normal? Or did we have a protection breakdown?
Simple math... 11 rushers in an all-out block effort vs. 9 blockers... means at least one player on the end of the line (usually the end towards the middle of the field) has two rushers to "handle".
His first responsibility is to disrupt the inside man, but to do so as wide as possible to make the outside man's path longer.
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I know it's not that guy in the frame I posted the one that tips the FG. I'm just pointing at the shooting angle on that frame.
If you watch the video, you can see how the one that gets inside penetration enters the shot and falls, and looking at the "height" he enters the shot, you can see why the ball was tipped.
So we know it was definitely partially blocked, but do we know how to fix the problem? I can't imagine the outrage that would've followed if the block prevented the FG from being good.
Maybe someone who knows more about FG protection can help me out. I read in an article that our backup TE was responsible for blocking two people on the game winner. The author intimated that it was a special teams coaching mistake having our TE matched up on two people by himself. Is this normal? Or did we have a protection breakdown? Cuz let me tell you, things would've gotten UGLY if they blocked that kick from going through, lol. Also, when the Steelers potential winning kick was blocked, it appeared as if three Steelers ran over Bitonio to get the ball. Why not just rush three players at one blocker every time? So many NFL games come down to just a few points. Our special teams are such garbage, I just hope they don't cause us to lose any other games in horrific, heartbreaking fashion. Lol.
So we know it was definitely partially blocked, but do we know how to fix the problem? I can't imagine the outrage that would've followed if the block prevented the FG from being good.
Maybe someone who knows more about FG protection can help me out. I read in an article that our backup TE was responsible for blocking two people on the game winner. The author intimated that it was a special teams coaching mistake having our TE matched up on two people by himself. Is this normal? Or did we have a protection breakdown? Cuz let me tell you, things would've gotten UGLY if they blocked that kick from going through, lol. Also, when the Steelers potential winning kick was blocked, it appeared as if three Steelers ran over Bitonio to get the ball. Why not just rush three players at one blocker every time? So many NFL games come down to just a few points. Our special teams are such garbage, I just hope they don't cause us to lose any other games in horrific, heartbreaking fashion. Lol.
We went through this already- take a look at the left side of our FG unit, and the problems is obvious.... two of our guys, and four of theirs...
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I stuck gamepass on earlier purely to have a look at the kick I definitely heard a noise when the ball went near the Ravens rusher
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Photo show Fells reaching for the edge man... who has stumbled and is going to the turf... while Corbett is getting stood up and moved inside.
The combo created the rush lane for the Raven that got a hand on the kick.
And speaking of getting stood up... Hubbard got freakin' owned. LAC's advanced scouts are going to note that.
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We seem to have a real issue with blocked kicks. As far as the kicker, let's see what happens. Phil Dawson was not very good over 40 yards the 1st 5 years or so with us, so kickers CAN improve. Here are Dawson's early stats...they DID get better.
PAT FG 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Year Team G GS M A M A M A M A M A M A M A Lg Pts 1999 Cleveland (NFL) 15 0 23 24 8 12 0 0 2 2 3 5 3 5 0 0 49 47 2000 Cleveland (NFL) 16 0 17 17 14 17 3 3 4 4 5 5 2 5 0 0 45 59 2001 Cleveland (NFL) 16 0 29 30 22 25 0 0 10 10 8 9 4 6 0 0 48 95 2002 Cleveland (NFL) 16 0 34 35 22 28 0 0 9 10 6 8 5 7 2 3 52 100 2003 Cleveland (NFL) 13 0 20 21 18 21 2 2 7 7 4 5 3 5 2 2 52 74 2004 Cleveland (NFL) 16 0 28 28 24 29 0 0 11 11 6 8 6 9 1 1 50 100 2005 Cleveland (NFL) 16 0 19 21 27 29 2 2 11 11 9 11 5 5 0 0 44 100 2006 Cleveland (NFL) 16 0 25 25 21 29 0 0 5 6 9 10 6 12 1 1 51 88 Mike
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Photo show Fells reaching for the edge man... who has stumbled and is going to the turf... while Corbett is getting stood up and moved inside.
The combo created the rush lane for the Raven that got a hand on the kick.
And speaking of getting stood up... Hubbard got freakin' owned. LAC's advanced scouts are going to note that.
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My point. He missed an extra point try to put us in the situation. Fire the mfer.
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Photo show Fells reaching for the edge man... who has stumbled and is going to the turf... while Corbett is getting stood up and moved inside.
The combo created the rush lane for the Raven that got a hand on the kick.
And speaking of getting stood up... Hubbard got freakin' owned. LAC's advanced scouts are going to note that.
Photo show Fells reaching for the edge man... who has stumbled and is going to the turf... while Corbett is getting stood up and moved inside.
The combo created the rush lane for the Raven that got a hand on the kick.
And speaking of getting stood up... Hubbard got freakin' owned. LAC's advanced scouts are going to note that.
The other thing that just came to mind Tour- on field goal attempts. The defense can't line up directly over the kicker anymore- or leapfrogging, meaning you're always going to have 8 guys trying to block eleven.
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Now I get why Hue seemed to be telling his players to stick around after the kick... I didn't realize there was a penalty.
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Now I get why Hue seemed to be telling his players to stick around after the kick... I didn't realize there was a penalty.
Now I get why Hue seemed to be telling his players to stick around after the kick... I didn't realize there was a penalty.
Me neither. Maybe they were offsides and that helped them to block the FG.
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Now I get why Hue seemed to be telling his players to stick around after the kick... I didn't realize there was a penalty.
Me neither. Maybe they were offsides and that helped them to block the FG.
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Don't rain on Donovan's parade ??...
*click* for winning goose pimples..??
God that was incredible. I thought they blocked it. Like, fully blocked it. When he kicked, it looked very similar to the blocked Tucker kick before half, just for a nano second, but then I saw the crowd and it was pandemonium at my house!
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This is also a good one!
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Photo show Fells reaching for the edge man... who has stumbled and is going to the turf... while Corbett is getting stood up and moved inside.
The combo created the rush lane for the Raven that got a hand on the kick.
And speaking of getting stood up... Hubbard got freakin' owned. LAC's advanced scouts are going to note that.
The other thing that just came to mind Tour- on field goal attempts. The defense can't line up directly over the kicker anymore- or leapfrogging, meaning you're always going to have 8 guys trying to block eleven.
The other thing that just came to mind Tour- on field goal attempts. The defense can't line up directly over the kicker anymore- or leapfrogging, meaning you're always going to have 8 guys trying to block eleven.
Where's our 9th blocker? Were you told there'd be no math?
Six on four is as much advantage as FG defenders can get after the 2016 rule that protected the long-snapper and FG OL. Also those defenders who start off the LOS can neither push their front liners or jump. Which brings us to...
Not "maybe" Nero. Take a look at the video Gumby posted. New camera angle, and one of the Ravens clearly jumped. So even if the kick would have been blocked, we still would have gotten another chance.
Front liners can still jump so long as they jump up and not forward so as to land on the blockers.
I did not know there was a flag either, but in looking at the play I think BLT violated the 6-man limit to one side of the long-snapper.
They lined up just fine...
... but then the two Ravens to the left then rushed to the right creating an overload that the rule outlawed.
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The other thing that just came to mind Tour- on field goal attempts. The defense can't line up directly over the kicker anymore- or leapfrogging, meaning you're always going to have 8 guys trying to block eleven.
Where's our 9th blocker? Were you told there'd be no math?
Six on four is as much advantage as FG defenders can get after the 2016 rule that protected the long-snapper and FG OL. Also those defenders who start off the LOS can neither push their front liners or jump. Which brings us to...
Not "maybe" Nero. Take a look at the video Gumby posted. New camera angle, and one of the Ravens clearly jumped. So even if the kick would have been blocked, we still would have gotten another chance.
Front liners can still jump so long as they jump up and not forward so as to land on the blockers.
I did not know there was a flag either, but in looking at the play I think BLT violated the 6-man limit to one side of the long-snapper.
They lined up just fine...
... but then the two Ravens to the left then rushed to the right creating an overload that the rule outlawed.
I did not know there was a flag either, but in looking at the play I think BLT violated the 6-man limit to one side of the long-snapper.
correct also. WR #14 Tim White who returned 5 kicks. In Donovans video,Smith lines up at bottom of screen next to Tony Jefferson. At 9 secs. White jumps the snap count landing in front of kicker..
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Don't rain on Donovan's parade ??...
*click* for winning goose pimples..??
God that was incredible. I thought they blocked it. Like, fully blocked it. When he kicked, it looked very similar to the blocked Tucker kick before half, just for a nano second, but then I saw the crowd and it was pandemonium at my house!
I thought they blocked it. Like, fully blocked it. When he kicked, it looked very similar to the blocked Tucker kick before half, just for a nano second,
Nah-nu..Nah-nu..Textbook block brah..
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