chubb needs to move to the 1 spot for at least a week or two...

Canton Mike

@atom said:

so how much of that is on hue ?

If you're looking to me to get on the Hue bashing wagon, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Hue will be evaluated by folks far more qualified than you or me.

Mike

ATOM

@dutch-oven said:

Depends on how much you think he still influences the happening ons for the offense.

It was a common complaint when Hue was his own OC, though.

well according to the ghoul hue is running everything and the rest are just lackies

@canton-mike said:

If you're looking to me to get on the Hue bashing wagon, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Hue will be evaluated by folks far more qualified than you or me.

Mike

who truck stop jimmy cause he sure has shown he knows what he is doing

ATOM

there you go zombo I brought back david for ya

The Gipper

@canton-mike said:

If you're looking to me to get on the Hue bashing wagon, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Hue will be evaluated by folks far more qualified than you or me.

Mike

The Haslam’s. Are you sure there are more qualified than you you and me?

The Gipper

@atom said:

there you go zombo I brought back david for ya

The Thin White Duke

Ghoolie

@clevfan4life said:

He has a bit fresher legs. Let him be the workhorse for a few weeks and let carlos get a couple relief innings in per week.

We're not running enough. We need to avg around 30 carries a week. The 1 should get 15-18 of those and the rest of the carrys split between the #2 and duke.

The pass makes the run possible. The fake Browns didn't pass for schidt last week.

Ghoolie

@clevfan4life said:

baker held the ball for easily 7+ seconds on sunday. That obviously shows wr'r werent gettibg open. Most of those sacks were coverage sacks. Again, the lack of commitment to the run.......its why we lost as badly as we did imo. This ckearly is an offense built for the run-to-pass.....but haley, i just dont get him right now.

Baker should be adjusting the run plays at the los and pulling the ball back when he sees something. One of the smartest qb's in recent times and we're running sht like an urban meyer offense. Smh

Hoorts says the running game is not important.

mjp28

@realplayer said:

I'm hoping they see how Duke played and decide to use him more. He's a different type of RB from Chubb and Hyde so if CLE can't pound it you got a RB in Duke who brings a different skillset.

Duke sure hasn't been used so far in 2018 and he might be better as part of the passing game:

	Games	Rushing	Receiving	Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Rush	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
Career				54	9	278	1196	5	39	4.3	22.1	5.1	263	202	1905	9.4	5	52	3.7	35.3		480	6.5	3101	10	8	16
2015	22	CLE	rb	29	16	7	104	379	0	39	3.6	23.7	6.5	74	61	534	8.8	2	52	3.8	33.4	82.4%	165	5.5	913	2	1	5
2016	23	CLE	rb	29	16	1	73	358	1	22	4.9	22.4	4.6	74	53	514	9.7	0	32	3.3	32.1	71.6%	126	6.9	872	1	2	5
2017	24	CLE		29	16	0	82	348	4	19	4.2	21.8	5.1	93	74	693	9.4	3	41	4.6	43.3	79.6%	156	6.7	1041	7	4	6
2018	25	CLE	rb	29	6	1	19	111	0	23	5.8	18.5	3.2	22	14	164	11.7	0	32	2.3	27.3	63.6%	33	8.3	275	0	1

2018 6 games 19 rushes 14 receptions? Barely 5 touches per game and with Hyde and Chubb where does he fit there?

		Rushing	Receiving	Scoring	Fumbles
Date	Week	Tm		Opp	Result	GS	Rush	Yds	Y/A	TD	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	2PM	TD	Fmb	FF	FR	Yds	TD
2018-09-09	1	CLE		PIT	T 21-21		5	17	3.40	0	6	1	8	8.00	0	16.7%	1.33		0	0	0	0	0	0
2018-09-16	2	CLE	@	NOR	L 18-21	*	3	3	1.00	0	2	2	7	3.50	0	100.0%	3.50		0	0	0	0	0	0
2018-09-20	3	CLE		NYJ	W 21-17		2	9	4.50	0	2	2	24	12.00	0	100.0%	12.00		0	1	0	0	0	0
2018-09-30	4	CLE	@	OAK	L 42-45		2	11	5.50	0	6	4	45	11.25	0	66.7%	7.50	2	0	0	0	0	0	0
2018-10-07	5	CLE		BAL	W 12-9		5	35	7.00	0	1	1	7	7.00	0	100.0%	7.00		0	0	0	0	0	0
2018-10-14	6	CLE		LAC	L 14-38		2	36	18.00	0	5	4	73	18.25	0	80.0%	14.60		0	0	0	0	0	0
Upcoming Games · Bye in Week 11
2018-10-21	7	CLE	@	TAM	Preview
2018-10-28	8	CLE	@	PIT	Preview · Stats for 7 games vs. Steelers · Avg. 3.1 rush, 10.3 yds, 0.1 TD (Last in 2018)
2018-11-04	9	CLE		KAN	Preview · Stats for 1 game vs. Chiefs · 8 rush, 26 yds, 0 TD (in 2015)

Tour2ma

@atom said:

so how much of that is on hue ?

Depends upon when the decision on how much to use Duke occurs.

If it's on Monday in the game plan meetings, then it's on Hue. If it's play calls within the flow of a given game that's primarily on Haley, although Hue can call at any time to "feature" Duke for a series.

Clevfan4life

@ghoolie said:

Hoorts says the running game is not important.

tjats demonstrably untrue

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:

Hoorts says the running game is not important.

Why lie so blatantly so obviously I mean you’re not POTUS

Realplayer · 2018-10-21

@mjp28 said:

Duke sure hasn't been used so far in 2018 and he might be better as part of the passing game:

Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV
Career 54 9 278 1196 5 39 4.3 22.1 5.1 263 202 1905 9.4 5 52 3.7 35.3 480 6.5 3101 10 8 16
2015 22 CLE rb 29 16 7 104 379 0 39 3.6 23.7 6.5 74 61 534 8.8 2 52 3.8 33.4 82.4% 165 5.5 913 2 1 5
2016 23 CLE rb 29 16 1 73 358 1 22 4.9 22.4 4.6 74 53 514 9.7 0 32 3.3 32.1 71.6% 126 6.9 872 1 2 5
2017 24 CLE 29 16 0 82 348 4 19 4.2 21.8 5.1 93 74 693 9.4 3 41 4.6 43.3 79.6% 156 6.7 1041 7 4 6
2018 25 CLE rb 29 6 1 19 111 0 23 5.8 18.5 3.2 22 14 164 11.7 0 32 2.3 27.3 63.6% 33 8.3 275 0 1
2018 6 games 19 rushes 14 receptions? Barely 5 touches per game and with Hyde and Chubb where does he fit there?

Rushing Receiving Scoring Fumbles
Date Week Tm Opp Result GS Rush Yds Y/A TD Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt 2PM TD Fmb FF FR Yds TD
2018-09-09 1 CLE PIT T 21-21 5 17 3.40 0 6 1 8 8.00 0 16.7% 1.33 0 0 0 0 0 0
2018-09-16 2 CLE @ NOR L 18-21 * 3 3 1.00 0 2 2 7 3.50 0 100.0% 3.50 0 0 0 0 0 0
2018-09-20 3 CLE NYJ W 21-17 2 9 4.50 0 2 2 24 12.00 0 100.0% 12.00 0 1 0 0 0 0
2018-09-30 4 CLE @ OAK L 42-45 2 11 5.50 0 6 4 45 11.25 0 66.7% 7.50 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
2018-10-07 5 CLE BAL W 12-9 5 35 7.00 0 1 1 7 7.00 0 100.0% 7.00 0 0 0 0 0 0
2018-10-14 6 CLE LAC L 14-38 2 36 18.00 0 5 4 73 18.25 0 80.0% 14.60 0 0 0 0 0 0
Upcoming Games · Bye in Week 11
2018-10-21 7 CLE @ TAM Preview
2018-10-28 8 CLE @ PIT Preview · Stats for 7 games vs. Steelers · Avg. 3.1 rush, 10.3 yds, 0.1 TD (Last in 2018)
2018-11-04 9 CLE KAN Preview · Stats for 1 game vs. Chiefs · 8 rush, 26 yds, 0 TD (in 2015)

CLE just going to have to be like NE. Use RBs based on defensive matchups and game situation instead of relying on a bellcow

mjp28 · 2018-10-21

@realplayer said:

CLE just going to have to be like NE. Use RBs based on defensive matchups and game situation instead of relying on a bellcow

And how can we forget that the BROWNS are coming off of 1-31, they still are very much still in rebuilding mode not like NE and in the continuing just reloading more.....but they do a good job of filling holes. Belichick love him or hate him does know football (and the latest cheating techniques).

The BROWNS still need another good talent procurement year to even think about getting over .500.

Kvoethe

Hes gonna get the work now...adios carlos

Nero

And he is literally moving to the 1 spot...

Tim Couch Pulls Out

Since the MO of this place is for people to return from the dead and pound on their chest, I'll present you with:

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Nick Chubb is going to be one of the better steals in this draft.

Guy has has tremendous vision and patience to be a successful runner in the NFL. Add in the fact that he’s a physical freak and he’ll be a starter sooner rather than later.

And he’ll go in the second round.