Trump Chooses Science Over the Biology Deniers:
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everyone acknowledges that "physically" speaking there are only two genders. THe point transgender people make is that they were born to the wrong physical sex. That's their imperative to decide that, not ours. Does that entitle anyone to walk into the opposite sex bathroom when they feel like? No. But if someone makes the transition, like Bruce...he/she should be able to use the ladies room. Thta's clearly not a man anymore, he's gone through enough of the hormone therapy.
everyone acknowledges that "physically" speaking there are only two genders. THe point transgender people make is that they were born to the wrong physical sex. That's their imperative to decide that, not ours. Does that entitle anyone to walk into the opposite sex bathroom when they feel like? No. But if someone makes the transition, like Bruce...he/she should be able to use the ladies room. Thta's clearly not a man anymore, he's gone through enough of the hormone therapy.
Two genders? Expand your mind. New York city recognizes 31 different genders:
List of 31 genders in New York City:
- Bi-gendered
- Cross-dresser
- Drag King
- Drag Queen
- Femme Queen
- Female-to-Male
- FTM
- Gender Bender
- Genderqueer
- Male-to-Female
- MTF
- Non-Op
- HIJRA
- Pangender
- Transexual/Transsexual
- Trans Person
- Woman
- Man
- Butch
- Two-Spirit
- Trans
- Agender
- Third Sex
- Gender Fluid
- Non-Binary Transgender
- Androgyne
- Gender Gifted
- Gender Blender
- Femme
- Person of Transgender Experience
- Androgynous
http://trove42.com/new-york-city-recognizes-31-gender-identities/
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So is it a distinction between sex and gender then? Or whatever the correct terms are. With one being biological and the other being mental (which I guess is also genetics too).
So is it a distinction between sex and gender then? Or whatever the correct terms are. With one being biological and the other being mental (which I guess is also genetics too).
Not really.
Just because I "feel" like a brontosaurus, that doesn't magically make me Littlefoot.
Subjective feelings =/= objective reality.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
everyone acknowledges that "physically" speaking there are only two genders. THe point transgender people make is that they were born to the wrong physical sex. That's their imperative to decide that, not ours. Does that entitle anyone to walk into the opposite sex bathroom when they feel like? No. But if someone makes the transition, like Bruce...he/she should be able to use the ladies room. Thta's clearly not a man anymore, he's gone through enough of the hormone therapy.
Except the Y chromosome in every cell of his body argues the contrary. Being a man and going through gender reassignment surgery doesn't make you a woman, it makes you a man with his coc.k and balls lobbed off.
Except the Y chromosome in every cell of his body argues the contrary. Being a man and going through gender reassignment surgery doesn't make you a woman, it makes you a man with his coc.k and balls lobbed off.
im not disagreeing. What im saying is if someone has gone thorugh that therapy they've proven that they are an actual transgendered person and not someone who's just trying to throw on some pantyhose and a wig and go into the female restroom.
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So is it a distinction between sex and gender then? Or whatever the correct terms are. With one being biological and the other being mental (which I guess is also genetics too).
Not really.
Just because I "feel" like a brontosaurus, that doesn't magically make me Littlefoot.
Subjective feelings =/= objective reality.
Not really.
Just because I "feel" like a brontosaurus, that doesn't magically make me Littlefoot.
Subjective feelings =/= objective reality.
And I'm not claiming that a man that feels they're a woman is genetically a woman. I get that. But their genetics are also leading them to believe they aren't a man, so what is that considered?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Except the Y chromosome in every cell of his body argues the contrary. Being a man and going through gender reassignment surgery doesn't make you a woman, it makes you a man with his coc.k and balls lobbed off.
im not disagreeing. What im saying is if someone has gone thorugh that therapy they've proven that they are an actual transgendered person and not someone who's just trying to throw on some pantyhose and a wig and go into the female restroom.
im not disagreeing. What im saying is if someone has gone thorugh that therapy they've proven that they are an actual transgendered person and not someone who's just trying to throw on some pantyhose and a wig and go into the female restroom.
I think most sane people realize that. Unfortunately that seems like it's a minority of this board.
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Not really.
Just because I "feel" like a brontosaurus, that doesn't magically make me Littlefoot.
Subjective feelings =/= objective reality.
And I'm not claiming that a man that feels they're a woman is genetically a woman. I get that. But their genetics are also leading them to believe they aren't a man, so what is that considered?
And I'm not claiming that a man that feels they're a woman is genetically a woman. I get that. But their genetics are also leading them to believe they aren't a man, so what is that considered?
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So that's Ben "debating" someone much less prepared and less intelligent than him. Of course he "destroyed" her lol. She wasn't ready for any of that, regardless which side is "right".
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
So that's Ben "debating" someone much less prepared and less intelligent than him. Of course he "destroyed" her lol. She wasn't ready for any of that, regardless which side is "right".
I would give her an A for persistence....she should get a participation trophy.
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So that's Ben "debating" someone much less prepared and less intelligent than him. Of course he "destroyed" her lol. She wasn't ready for any of that, regardless which side is "right".
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So that's Ben "debating" someone much less prepared and less intelligent than him. Of course he "destroyed" her lol. She wasn't ready for any of that, regardless which side is "right".
Relative intelligence aside, you are side-stepping the meat of his argument.
For example, I was born in 1986, but why am I not 65 instead of 32 years old? I can claim that I'm 65 years old, and - with every fiber of my being- subjectively "feel" like I'm genuinely 65 years old, but the objective facts are that i'm 32 years old because my biological being was born 32 years ago.
The same principle can be applied to gender and biological sex; they aren't two completely separate entities. Bruce Jenner may personally believe that he feels like a woman and has even had surgery to configure his physiology to resemble that of a woman's, but it is just a facsimile of a woman's body, not the real thing. At the end of the day, he's still a man who's pretending to be a woman; much like Chaz Bono is a woman pretending to be a man. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected as human beings and be denied the rights that all human being are entitled to, but humoring their respective delusions just to placate their feelings doesn't sync with objective reality.
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So that's Ben "debating" someone much less prepared and less intelligent than him. Of course he "destroyed" her lol. She wasn't ready for any of that, regardless which side is "right".
Relative intelligence aside, you are side-stepping the meat of his argument.
For example, I was born in 1986, but why am I not 65 instead of 32 years old? I can claim that I'm 65 years old, and - with every fiber of my being- subjectively "feel" like I'm genuinely 65 years old, but the objective facts are that i'm 32 years old because my biological being was born 32 years ago.
The same principle can be applied to gender and biological sex; they aren't two completely separate entities. Bruce Jenner may personally believe that he feels like a woman and has even had surgery to configure his physiology to resemble that of a woman's, but it is just a facsimile of a woman's body, not the real thing. At the end of the day, he's still a man who's pretending to be a woman; much like Chaz Bono is a woman pretending to be a man. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected as human beings and be denied the rights that all human being are entitled to, but humoring their respective delusions just to placate their feelings doesn't sync with objective reality.
Relative intelligence aside, you are side-stepping the meat of his argument.
For example, I was born in 1986, but why am I not 65 instead of 32 years old? I can claim that I'm 65 years old, and - with every fiber of my being- subjectively "feel" like I'm genuinely 65 years old, but the objective facts are that i'm 32 years old because my biological being was born 32 years ago.
The same principle can be applied to gender and biological sex; they aren't two completely separate entities. Bruce Jenner may personally believe that he feels like a woman and has even had surgery to configure his physiology to resemble that of a woman's, but it is just a facsimile of a woman's body, not the real thing. At the end of the day, he's still a man who's pretending to be a woman; much like Chaz Bono is a woman pretending to be a man. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected as human beings and be denied the rights that all human being are entitled to, but humoring their respective delusions just to placate their feelings doesn't sync with objective reality.
Exactly.
WSS
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You just lost Woody forever. He is probably still crying.
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He/she has every right to be angry because Trump made it clear when he was running he would support the LGBTQ community. But then he is King Liar, so there's that.
The ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me. If you have ever known a real transgender person, then you should be aware they always thought they were the other gender trapped in the wrong body. From very early age they were aware of it. They did not just suddenly decide to be the opposite sex of their birth. But your president is also an ignoramus, so it does not surprise me at all he uses that for his own political gain with ignorant followers.
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He/she has every right to be angry because Trump made it clear when he was running he would support the LGBTQ community. But then he is King Liar, so there's that.
The ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me. If you have ever known a real transgender person, then you should be aware they always thought they were the other gender trapped in the wrong body. From very early age they were aware of it. They did not just suddenly decide to be the opposite sex of their birth. But your president is also an ignoramus, so it does not surprise me at all he uses that for his own political gain with ignorant followers.
He/she has every right to be angry because Trump made it clear when he was running he would support the LGBTQ community. But then he is King Liar, so there's that.
The ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me. If you have ever known a real transgender person, then you should be aware they always thought they were the other gender trapped in the wrong body. From very early age they were aware of it. They did not just suddenly decide to be the opposite sex of their birth. But your president is also an ignoramus, so it does not surprise me at all he uses that for his own political gain with ignorant followers.
Spoken like the true liberal you always deny you are. I did have a family member who felt they were "trapped" in the wrong body and love and counseling brought her around to where today she is a happily married woman with a good husband and two children.
As a counselor you know that our emotions are shaped by our thoughts. So many problems today are due to wrong thinking. Children today growing up not only need love but discipline and guidance. There are some parents today basically telling impressionable young children to figure it out themselves what sex they are.
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He/she has every right to be angry because Trump made it clear when he was running he would support the LGBTQ community. But then he is King Liar, so there's that.
The ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me. If you have ever known a real transgender person, then you should be aware they always thought they were the other gender trapped in the wrong body. From very early age they were aware of it. They did not just suddenly decide to be the opposite sex of their birth. But your president is also an ignoramus, so it does not surprise me at all he uses that for his own political gain with ignorant followers.
Spoken like the true liberal you always deny you are. I did have a family member who felt they were "trapped" in the wrong body and love and counseling brought her around to where today she is a happily married woman with a good husband and two children.
As a counselor you know that our emotions are shaped by our thoughts. So many problems today are due to wrong thinking. Children today growing up not only need love but discipline and guidance. There are some parents today basically telling impressionable young children to figure it out themselves what sex they are.
Spoken like the true liberal you always deny you are. I did have a family member who felt they were "trapped" in the wrong body and love and counseling brought her around to where today she is a happily married woman with a good husband and two children.
As a counselor you know that our emotions are shaped by our thoughts. So many problems today are due to wrong thinking. Children today growing up not only need love but discipline and guidance. There are some parents today basically telling impressionable young children to figure it out themselves what sex they are.
Coming from the guy that probably thinks Christian "pray the gay away" camps are a good idea... I'm gonna take that with a grain of salt
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He/she has every right to be angry because Trump made it clear when he was running he would support the LGBTQ community. But then he is King Liar, so there's that.
The ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me. If you have ever known a real transgender person, then you should be aware they always thought they were the other gender trapped in the wrong body. From very early age they were aware of it. They did not just suddenly decide to be the opposite sex of their birth. But your president is also an ignoramus, so it does not surprise me at all he uses that for his own political gain with ignorant followers.
Spoken like the true liberal you always deny you are. I did have a family member who felt they were "trapped" in the wrong body and love and counseling brought her around to where today she is a happily married woman with a good husband and two children.
As a counselor you know that our emotions are shaped by our thoughts. So many problems today are due to wrong thinking. Children today growing up not only need love but discipline and guidance. There are some parents today basically telling impressionable young children to figure it out themselves what sex they are.
Spoken like the true liberal you always deny you are. I did have a family member who felt they were "trapped" in the wrong body and love and counseling brought her around to where today she is a happily married woman with a good husband and two children.
As a counselor you know that our emotions are shaped by our thoughts. So many problems today are due to wrong thinking. Children today growing up not only need love but discipline and guidance. There are some parents today basically telling impressionable young children to figure it out themselves what sex they are.
No, spoken like the well trained counselor that I am who has dealt with transgender people. It may surprise you how many were veterans since my career was in the VA. And I too have a family member who is transgender, married with children. I never judged them nor did I try to "fix" them. If they wanted that I sent them to counselors who worked with them whatever they decided.
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He/she has every right to be angry because Trump made it clear when he was running he would support the LGBTQ community. But then he is King Liar, so there's that.
The ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me. If you have ever known a real transgender person, then you should be aware they always thought they were the other gender trapped in the wrong body. From very early age they were aware of it. They did not just suddenly decide to be the opposite sex of their birth. But your president is also an ignoramus, so it does not surprise me at all he uses that for his own political gain with ignorant followers.
He/she has every right to be angry because Trump made it clear when he was running he would support the LGBTQ community. But then he is King Liar, so there's that.
The ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me. If you have ever known a real transgender person, then you should be aware they always thought they were the other gender trapped in the wrong body. From very early age they were aware of it. They did not just suddenly decide to be the opposite sex of their birth. But your president is also an ignoramus, so it does not surprise me at all he uses that for his own political gain with ignorant followers.
Sheesh.
Nobody is denying these folks to feel how they feel or even how they identify themselves. The argument is that just because they suffer from gender identity crisis that everybody else has to change the biological terminology of a boy is a boy etc...
its ridiculous and being compassionate is great but don't make it out to be normal.
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Spoken like the true liberal you always deny you are. I did have a family member who felt they were "trapped" in the wrong body and love and counseling brought her around to where today she is a happily married woman with a good husband and two children.
As a counselor you know that our emotions are shaped by our thoughts. So many problems today are due to wrong thinking. Children today growing up not only need love but discipline and guidance. There are some parents today basically telling impressionable young children to figure it out themselves what sex they are.
No, spoken like the well trained counselor that I am who has dealt with transgender people. It may surprise you how many were veterans since my career was in the VA. And I too have a family member who is transgender, married with children. I never judged them nor did I try to "fix" them. If they wanted that I sent them to counselors who worked with them whatever they decided.
No, spoken like the well trained counselor that I am who has dealt with transgender people. It may surprise you how many were veterans since my career was in the VA. And I too have a family member who is transgender, married with children. I never judged them nor did I try to "fix" them. If they wanted that I sent them to counselors who worked with them whatever they decided.
What I meant about being a liberal Tex was your comment about ignorant Trump voters. You can disagree with millions of people who support Trump but that doesn't make them ignorant and it sounds like Hillary Clinton saying Trump supporters were a basket of deplorables.
No person can really be helped unless they want to be helped. I have had years of experience myself in working with people and for me the answer is never to push anything on anyone but to be open about my own beliefs and be ready to help those who want it. My way does focus on the bible but it is never pushed or forced on anyone but presented to those who want to hear more about a gospel message that does change lives.
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No, spoken like the well trained counselor that I am who has dealt with transgender people. It may surprise you how many were veterans since my career was in the VA. And I too have a family member who is transgender, married with children. I never judged them nor did I try to "fix" them. If they wanted that I sent them to counselors who worked with them whatever they decided.
What I meant about being a liberal Tex was your comment about ignorant Trump voters. You can disagree with millions of people who support Trump but that doesn't make them ignorant and it sounds like Hillary Clinton saying Trump supporters were a basket of deplorables.
No person can really be helped unless they want to be helped. I have had years of experience myself in working with people and for me the answer is never to push anything on anyone but to be open about my own beliefs and be ready to help those who want it. My way does focus on the bible but it is never pushed or forced on anyone but presented to those who want to hear more about a gospel message that does change lives.
What I meant about being a liberal Tex was your comment about ignorant Trump voters. You can disagree with millions of people who support Trump but that doesn't make them ignorant and it sounds like Hillary Clinton saying Trump supporters were a basket of deplorables.
No person can really be helped unless they want to be helped. I have had years of experience myself in working with people and for me the answer is never to push anything on anyone but to be open about my own beliefs and be ready to help those who want it. My way does focus on the bible but it is never pushed or forced on anyone but presented to those who want to hear more about a gospel message that does change lives.
Did I say all Trump voters are ignorant? No, I said he appeals to his ignorant followers. Now if you want to count yourself as one of the ignorant followers, then be my guest.
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