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there is nothing you can say that would/could be persuasive or intelligent on this subject
Go make a trivia post... we are all waiting with bated breath.
^ That was both intelligent and persuasive...... guess you were wrong.
Go make a trivia post... we are all waiting with bated breath.
^ That was both intelligent and persuasive...... guess you were wrong.
I did.....
I just asked which 17 coaches that either won or took their team to the Super Bowl did so as "retreads" in that they were on their second head coaching job.
You failed miserably. (and your breath smells like you have been sucking d.i.c.k........Vermeil?)
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I would respond more in depth, but I gotta go watch Sean McVay's Rams replay.... Here's to hoping McCarthy or Garrett can suddenly win in Cleveland.
Here is to hoping that whomever they get can win. No matter what his status.
And no need to respond in depth....there is nothing you can say that would/could be persuasive or intelligent on this subject.
I mean, think about it...why on earth would anyone have ever given Bill B. a second chance after his failed stint here?
Here is to hoping that whomever they get can win. No matter what his status.
And no need to respond in depth....there is nothing you can say that would/could be persuasive or intelligent on this subject.
I mean, think about it...why on earth would anyone have ever given Bill B. a second chance after his failed stint here?
Because his stint wasn't failed. The team improved each of the first 4 years and made the playoffs and won a game in the playoffs. As the history professor around here you know that the 95 team was good as well and probably on the way to the playoffs again but once the move was announced the season went into the shitter.
I say no to any "retread" coach who has already won a super bowl somewhere else. They don't win again somewhere else...they just don't. Some get close but they don't win again in a new place.
As for a head coach who was good somewhere else and for whatever reason things went downhill and was fired, I'm not totally opposed to it but wouldn't be my preference. I think a young coordinator who is hungry to take that step up to be the HC would be my choice. I have no idea who this guy is, but that's my preference.
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Here is to hoping that whomever they get can win. No matter what his status.
And no need to respond in depth....there is nothing you can say that would/could be persuasive or intelligent on this subject.
I mean, think about it...why on earth would anyone have ever given Bill B. a second chance after his failed stint here?
Because his stint wasn't failed. The team improved each of the first 4 years and made the playoffs and won a game in the playoffs. As the history professor around here you know that the 95 team was good as well and probably on the way to the playoffs again but once the move was announced the season went into the shitter.
I say no to any "retread" coach who has already won a super bowl somewhere else. They don't win again somewhere else...they just don't. Some get close but they don't win again in a new place.
As for a head coach who was good somewhere else and for whatever reason things went downhill and was fired, I'm not totally opposed to it but wouldn't be my preference. I think a young coordinator who is hungry to take that step up to be the HC would be my choice. I have no idea who this guy is, but that's my preference.
Because his stint wasn't failed. The team improved each of the first 4 years and made the playoffs and won a game in the playoffs. As the history professor around here you know that the 95 team was good as well and probably on the way to the playoffs again but once the move was announced the season went into the shitter.
I say no to any "retread" coach who has already won a super bowl somewhere else. They don't win again somewhere else...they just don't. Some get close but they don't win again in a new place.
As for a head coach who was good somewhere else and for whatever reason things went downhill and was fired, I'm not totally opposed to it but wouldn't be my preference. I think a young coordinator who is hungry to take that step up to be the HC would be my choice. I have no idea who this guy is, but that's my preference.
Well, I think you prove my point. I think, objectively, it appears that BBs time here was a failure. He had 4 losing seasons out of the 5 he was here.....but as you say.... subjectively you could see the team was improving....and made the playoffs, and may have continued to get better if not for the stupidity of Modell.
If there were a BB type "retread" out there, I would not just dismiss him out of hand simply because he had coached before.....as apparently D Bone would do. And maybe that young hungry coordinator IS the way to go.
All I am saying is that there is no justification to eliminate any potential candidate simply because of some arbitrary status he may hold, be that former HC, college HC, age, whether he coach offense, or defense, etc. etc.
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Because his stint wasn't failed. The team improved each of the first 4 years and made the playoffs and won a game in the playoffs. As the history professor around here you know that the 95 team was good as well and probably on the way to the playoffs again but once the move was announced the season went into the shitter.
I say no to any "retread" coach who has already won a super bowl somewhere else. They don't win again somewhere else...they just don't. Some get close but they don't win again in a new place.
As for a head coach who was good somewhere else and for whatever reason things went downhill and was fired, I'm not totally opposed to it but wouldn't be my preference. I think a young coordinator who is hungry to take that step up to be the HC would be my choice. I have no idea who this guy is, but that's my preference.
Well, I think you prove my point. I think, objectively, it appears that BBs time here was a failure. He had 4 losing seasons out of the 5 he was here.....but as you say.... subjectively you could see the team was improving....and made the playoffs, and may have continued to get better if not for the stupidity of Modell.
If there were a BB type "retread" out there, I would not just dismiss him out of hand simply because he had coached before.....as apparently D Bone would do. And maybe that young hungry coordinator IS the way to go.
All I am saying is that there is no justification to eliminate any potential candidate simply because of some arbitrary status he may hold, be that former HC, college HC, age, whether he coach offense, or defense, etc. etc.
All I am saying is that there is no justification to eliminate any potential candidate simply because of some arbitrary status he may hold, be that former HC, college HC, age, whether he coach offense, or defense, etc. etc.
Unless he's already won a super bowl somewhere else because it doesn't happen again with a different franchise.
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Im hearing Mike Mcarthy rumors.
He was a name thrown out by someone on NFL network yesterday as a long shot candidate because of his ties to Dorsey and if the Packers decided to move on from him. Lots of ifs and everything is just speculation and rumors at this point. Hell, it could be Gregg Williams team again next year for all we know.
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All I am saying is that there is no justification to eliminate any potential candidate simply because of some arbitrary status he may hold, be that former HC, college HC, age, whether he coach offense, or defense, etc. etc.
Unless he's already won a super bowl somewhere else because it doesn't happen again with a different franchise.
Unless he's already won a super bowl somewhere else because it doesn't happen again with a different franchise.
It could have, easily. If not for referree intervention, Holmgren could have had a title in Seattle as well as Green Bay.
Six coaches have taken two teams to Super Bowls with 2 different teams:
Don Shula, lost 1 with Colts, won 2 lost 3 with the Dolphins
Dan Reeves, lost 3 with Broncos and lost 1 with Falcons
Bill Parcells, won 2 with Giants, lost 1 with Pats
Holmgren, won 1 lost 1 with Packers, lost 1 with Seattle
finger Vermeil, lost 1 with Eagles, won 1 with Rams
John Fox, lost 1 with Panthers and lost 1 with Denver
What you may be saying actually is.....if you hire a coach that has appeared in a Super Bowl.....make sure he lost it .....as coaches that lost have had more success the second time around, where no one who has won has ever come back to win again: Shula and Vermeil came back to win with a new team, having lost and not won with a previous team.
So, that could mean we could consider these......who have lost SBs but not won: Fox, Jim Caldwell, Ken Whisenhunt, Lovie Smith, Bill Callahan, Mike Martz, Jim Fassell, Jeff Fisher, Bobby Ross, Sam Wyche, etc.
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Unless he's already won a super bowl somewhere else because it doesn't happen again with a different franchise.
It could have, easily. If not for referree intervention, Holmgren could have had a title in Seattle as well as Green Bay.
Six coaches have taken two teams to Super Bowls with 2 different teams:
Don Shula, lost 1 with Colts, won 2 lost 3 with the Dolphins
Dan Reeves, lost 3 with Broncos and lost 1 with Falcons
Bill Parcells, won 2 with Giants, lost 1 with Pats
Holmgren, won 1 lost 1 with Packers, lost 1 with Seattle
finger Vermeil, lost 1 with Eagles, won 1 with Rams
John Fox, lost 1 with Panthers and lost 1 with Denver
What you may be saying actually is.....if you hire a coach that has appeared in a Super Bowl.....make sure he lost it .....as coaches that lost have had more success the second time around, where no one who has won has ever come back to win again: Shula and Vermeil came back to win with a new team, having lost and not won with a previous team.
So, that could mean we could consider these......who have lost SBs but not won: Fox, Jim Caldwell, Ken Whisenhunt, Lovie Smith, Bill Callahan, Mike Martz, Jim Fassell, Jeff Fisher, Bobby Ross, Sam Wyche, etc.
So, that could mean we could consider these......who have lost SBs but not won: Fox, Jim Caldwell, Ken Whisenhunt, Lovie Smith, Bill Callahan, Mike Martz, Jim Fassell, Jeff Fisher, Bobby Ross, Sam Wyche, etc.
That list completely and totally depresses me.
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lmao....Riley makes over 5 million a year now and is likely to bump up to 6.5-7 shortly if they make the playoff.....he proably wouldnt even take the Browns HC ob if offered. The idea that he is going to go from a perfect HC situation at OU to a coordinator job anywhere in the nfl is absurd.
And tell me how or when I remotely said he would? I swear to God, some of you mofos just love posting dramatic crap because you love how panties feel bunched up in your butt.
Yes wise guy I understand he wouldn't take an OC job. I was simply stating that ideally I'd want to see Riley succeed offensively in the NFL like McVay did before taking the plunge. We've seen too many wonder coaches from the NCAA ranks (Chip Kelly anyone?) fall flat on their faces. I don't think the Browns can afford to take that risk.
And tell me how or when I remotely said he would? I swear to God, some of you mofos just love posting dramatic crap because you love how panties feel bunched up in your butt.
Yes wise guy I understand he wouldn't take an OC job. I was simply stating that ideally I'd want to see Riley succeed offensively in the NFL like McVay did before taking the plunge. We've seen too many wonder coaches from the NCAA ranks (Chip Kelly anyone?) fall flat on their faces. I don't think the Browns can afford to take that risk.
ummm...so whats the point of posting that then? Since there is no chance in hell he would ever go that path now....at least you should have phrased it "I WOULD HAVE wanted....."
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And a possibility to come back to Cleveland?
Seems like I just heard the talking heads on the radio say they loved him in Minnesota.
WSS
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And tell me how or when I remotely said he would? I swear to God, some of you mofos just love posting dramatic crap because you love how panties feel bunched up in your butt.
Yes wise guy I understand he wouldn't take an OC job. I was simply stating that ideally I'd want to see Riley succeed offensively in the NFL like McVay did before taking the plunge. We've seen too many wonder coaches from the NCAA ranks (Chip Kelly anyone?) fall flat on their faces. I don't think the Browns can afford to take that risk.
ummm...so whats the point of posting that then? Since there is no chance in hell he would ever go that path now....at least you should have phrased it "I WOULD HAVE wanted....."
ummm...so whats the point of posting that then? Since there is no chance in hell he would ever go that path now....at least you should have phrased it "I WOULD HAVE wanted....."
My exact quote is " I'd want to see Riley start as an OC in the NFL at least a year before jumping head first into that situation. " Perhaps you never learned about contractions in school, but "I'd" in that sentence means "I would". Grammar is fun!
The point is provide a counterargument to a popular opinion on a head coach as conversation on a football forum. Hey bud, nice try though.
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Isn’t he teamed up with Pet there?
Isn’t he teamed up with Pet there?
Pet is in Green Bay isnt he ?
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Isn’t he teamed up with Pet there?
Pet is in Green Bay isnt he ?
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Isn’t he teamed up with Pet there?
Pet is in Green Bay isnt he ?
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Why would you trade for someone you can talk to at the end of the season for free .... I would want to have someone who wanted to be here not made to be here via a trade
Florio says not to discount the possibility that the Browns could trade for their next head coach. Who is the favorite? Mike says Josh McDaniels.
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