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  • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
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    These are the Super Bowls that pitted  Hall of Fame QB vs. Hall of Fame QB......which matchup do you think was the best:

    SB19   Montana vs.  Marino

    SB 24  Montana vs. Elway

    SB1.  Starr vs.  Dawson

    SB 14  Stabler vs. Tarkenton

    SB 32 Favre vs. Elway

    SB 27/28  Aikman vs. Kelly

    SB 6  Griese vs. Staubach

    SB 9 Bradshaw vs. Tarkenton

    SB 3  Namath vs. Unitas  (though Morrall started the game, Unitas finished)

    SBs 10/13  Staubach vs. Bradshaw

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      These are Super Bowls that pitted potential Hall of Fame matchups.  Potential because they are more recent and some of these guys will  or may get in, but it is just too early.

      Which was the best matchup?:

      SB44 Brees  vs. Peyton

      SB 45 Rodgers vs.  Ben R.

      SB 51 Brady vs. Ryan

      SB 42/46  Eli vs. Brady

      SB 49  Brady vs. Wilson

      SB36  Warner (in)  vs. Brady

      SB 50  Peyton vs. Cam Newton

      SB 39  Brady vs.  McNabb

      Warner vs. BR

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        jiggins-report this morning is that Green has an excellent chance of playing this Sunday.

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        @texasag1969 said:

        jiggins-report this morning is that Green has an excellent chance of playing this Sunday.

        Bah....oh well. A good challenge for Denzel Ward! 

        Speaking of receivers, does anybody find it odd that we don't throw it to Devalve more often? Man, I really thought he'd be a major factor this year. And Baker completed passes to like 9 different guys last week and Devalve still didn't get a ball. Weird right? I know Devalve was hurt early, but geez. 

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          @texasag1969 said:

          jiggins-report this morning is that Green has an excellent chance of playing this Sunday.

          Bah....oh well. A good challenge for Denzel Ward! 

          Speaking of receivers, does anybody find it odd that we don't throw it to Devalve more often? Man, I really thought he'd be a major factor this year. And Baker completed passes to like 9 different guys last week and Devalve still didn't get a ball. Weird right? I know Devalve was hurt early, but geez. 

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          @jiggins7919 said:

          Bah....oh well. A good challenge for Denzel Ward! 

          Speaking of receivers, does anybody find it odd that we don't throw it to Devalve more often? Man, I really thought he'd be a major factor this year. And Baker completed passes to like 9 different guys last week and Devalve still didn't get a ball. Weird right? I know Devalve was hurt early, but geez. 

          We were not speaking of receivers in this thread, we were speaking about QB rivalries.

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            There were actually quite a number of  HOF QB Championship game matchups prior to the onset of the Super Bowl.   Here they are:

            Sid Luckman vs. Sammy Baugh  (the Peyton v. Brady of its day)

            Sammy Baugh  vs.  Bob Waterfield  .....1945...won by Waterfield's Cleveland team

            Otto Graham vs. Bob Waterfield....1950

            Otto Graham vs.  Norm Van Brocklin

            Otto Graham vs. Bobby Layne

            Y.A. Tittle vs. Bart Starr

            Y.A. Tittle vs. Johnny Unitas

            Johnny Unitas vs. Bart Starr

            Bart Starr vs. Norm Van Brocklin

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              These are the Super Bowls that pitted  Hall of Fame QB vs. Hall of Fame QB......which matchup do you think was the best:

              SB19   Montana vs.  Marino

              SB 24  Montana vs. Elway

              SB1.  Starr vs.  Dawson

              SB 14  Stabler vs. Tarkenton

              SB 32 Favre vs. Elway

              SB 27/28  Aikman vs. Kelly

              SB 6  Griese vs. Staubach

              SB 9 Bradshaw vs. Tarkenton

              SB 3  Namath vs. Unitas  (though Morrall started the game, Unitas finished)

              SBs 10/13  Staubach vs. Bradshaw

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              @the-gipper said:

              These are the Super Bowls that pitted  Hall of Fame QB vs. Hall of Fame QB......which matchup do you think was the best:

              SB19   Montana vs.  Marino

              SB 24  Montana vs. Elway

              SB1.  Starr vs.  Dawson

              SB 14  Stabler vs. Tarkenton

              SB 32 Favre vs. Elway

              SB 27/28  Aikman vs. Kelly

              SB 6  Griese vs. Staubach

              SB 9 Bradshaw vs. Tarkenton

              SB 3  Namath vs. Unitas  (though Morrall started the game, Unitas finished)

              SBs 10/13  Staubach vs. Bradshaw

              Montana/Marino felt like a heavyweight fight. Joe already had one ring and was Mr. Efficient ... jab. jab, jab ... never made a mistake. Don was the young brash power puncher who was knocking everyone out in the first round.

              Clearly two best QBs, 2 best offenses, 2 great coaches. 15-1 versus 14-2.

              Most folks thought Danny Boy was going to knock out Smoking Joe ...

              But in the end, it is a team game, and SF had the superior defense and a superior running game (Craig) and Joe was flawless and they won handily.

              But a lot of hype leading up to that one ...

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                Great era to be a football fan. 

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                  These are the Super Bowls that pitted  Hall of Fame QB vs. Hall of Fame QB......which matchup do you think was the best:

                  SB19   Montana vs.  Marino

                  SB 24  Montana vs. Elway

                  SB1.  Starr vs.  Dawson

                  SB 14  Stabler vs. Tarkenton

                  SB 32 Favre vs. Elway

                  SB 27/28  Aikman vs. Kelly

                  SB 6  Griese vs. Staubach

                  SB 9 Bradshaw vs. Tarkenton

                  SB 3  Namath vs. Unitas  (though Morrall started the game, Unitas finished)

                  SBs 10/13  Staubach vs. Bradshaw

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                  @the-gipper said:

                  These are the Super Bowls that pitted  Hall of Fame QB vs. Hall of Fame QB......which matchup do you think was the best:

                  SB19   Montana vs.  Marino

                  SB 24  Montana vs. Elway

                  SB1.  Starr vs.  Dawson

                  SB 14  Stabler vs. Tarkenton

                  SB 32 Favre vs. Elway

                  SB 27/28  Aikman vs. Kelly

                  SB 6  Griese vs. Staubach

                  SB 9 Bradshaw vs. Tarkenton

                  SB 3  Namath vs. Unitas  (though Morrall started the game, Unitas finished)

                  SBs 10/13  Staubach vs. Bradshaw

                  Of these, the most competitive games between them were the two  Bradshaw/Staubach matchups.  Both  4 point games that went down to the wire.

                  Elway vs. Favre also competitive...one score game....Elway's helicopter move.  Some of the others ended up being pretty much blowout games.

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                    These are Super Bowls that pitted potential Hall of Fame matchups.  Potential because they are more recent and some of these guys will  or may get in, but it is just too early.

                    Which was the best matchup?:

                    SB44 Brees  vs. Peyton

                    SB 45 Rodgers vs.  Ben R.

                    SB 51 Brady vs. Ryan

                    SB 42/46  Eli vs. Brady

                    SB 49  Brady vs. Wilson

                    SB36  Warner (in)  vs. Brady

                    SB 50  Peyton vs. Cam Newton

                    SB 39  Brady vs.  McNabb

                    Warner vs. BR

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                    @the-gipper said:

                    These are Super Bowls that pitted potential Hall of Fame matchups.  Potential because they are more recent and some of these guys will  or may get in, but it is just too early.

                    Which was the best matchup?:

                    SB44 Brees  vs. Peyton

                    SB 45 Rodgers vs.  Ben R.

                    SB 51 Brady vs. Ryan

                    SB 42/46  Eli vs. Brady

                    SB 49  Brady vs. Wilson

                    SB36  Warner (in)  vs. Brady

                    SB 50  Peyton vs. Cam Newton

                    SB 39  Brady vs.  McNabb

                    Warner vs. BR

                    This era of QB matchups gave us many more hotly contested games than the previous era  (Super Bowl) of my earlier post. Both Brady/Eli games,  Warner v. BR,   Brady v. Wilson, Warner v. Brady.   All games decided in the last minute. Ryan/Brady too...only OT SB.

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                      jiggins-report this morning is that Green has an excellent chance of playing this Sunday.

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      jiggins-report this morning is that Green has an excellent chance of playing this Sunday.

                      @jiggins7919 said:

                      Bah....oh well. A good challenge for Denzel Ward! 

                      Speaking of receivers, does anybody find it odd that we don't throw it to Devalve more often? Man, I really thought he'd be a major factor this year. And Baker completed passes to like 9 different guys last week and Devalve still didn't get a ball. Weird right? I know Devalve was hurt early, but geez. 

                      Yeah Gip I know we're talking QBs, but my memory of those Super Bowls is pretty foggy....   

                      But regarding the Bengals, Green dressed for the Ravens game, and was on the sideline, so little surprise he's likely to play Sunday. 

                      PS Ward would be giving up a lot of height to the 6'4" Green, so don't be surprised at all if the Browns use the same tactic they used against Julio Jones, double him with taller defensive backs...  

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                        @texasag1969 said:

                        jiggins-report this morning is that Green has an excellent chance of playing this Sunday.

                        @jiggins7919 said:

                        Bah....oh well. A good challenge for Denzel Ward! 

                        Speaking of receivers, does anybody find it odd that we don't throw it to Devalve more often? Man, I really thought he'd be a major factor this year. And Baker completed passes to like 9 different guys last week and Devalve still didn't get a ball. Weird right? I know Devalve was hurt early, but geez. 

                        Yeah Gip I know we're talking QBs, but my memory of those Super Bowls is pretty foggy....   

                        But regarding the Bengals, Green dressed for the Ravens game, and was on the sideline, so little surprise he's likely to play Sunday. 

                        PS Ward would be giving up a lot of height to the 6'4" Green, so don't be surprised at all if the Browns use the same tactic they used against Julio Jones, double him with taller defensive backs...  

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                        Yeah Gip I know we're talking QBs, but my memory of those Super Bowls is pretty foggy....   

                        One word:  Prevagen

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                          What is, perhaps the Super Bowl that matched up the two "worst" QBs?

                          Brad Johnson/Rich Gannon    (Bucs vs Raiders)

                          Trent Dilfer/Kerry Collins  (Ravens vs. Giants)

                          Jim Plunkett vs. Ron Jaworski  (Raiders vs. Eagles)

                          Jim McMahon vs. Tony Eason  (Bears vs. Pats)

                          My opinion is that likely the worst two QBs to ever take a team to the Super Bowl were David Woodley and Rex Grossman.

                          Fair to say?

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                            What is, perhaps the Super Bowl that matched up the two "worst" QBs?

                            Brad Johnson/Rich Gannon    (Bucs vs Raiders)

                            Trent Dilfer/Kerry Collins  (Ravens vs. Giants)

                            Jim Plunkett vs. Ron Jaworski  (Raiders vs. Eagles)

                            Jim McMahon vs. Tony Eason  (Bears vs. Pats)

                            My opinion is that likely the worst two QBs to ever take a team to the Super Bowl were David Woodley and Rex Grossman.

                            Fair to say?

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                            @the-gipper said:

                            What is, perhaps the Super Bowl that matched up the two "worst" QBs?

                            Jim Plunkett vs. Ron Jaworski  (Raiders vs. Eagles)

                            No way Jose. Jim Plunkett was a winner, and Jaworski wasn't a slouch.  That should have been Sipe vs Jaworski, but....

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                              @the-gipper said:

                              What is, perhaps the Super Bowl that matched up the two "worst" QBs?

                              Jim Plunkett vs. Ron Jaworski  (Raiders vs. Eagles)

                              No way Jose. Jim Plunkett was a winner, and Jaworski wasn't a slouch.  That should have been Sipe vs Jaworski, but....

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                              No way Jose. Jim Plunkett was a winner, and Jaworski wasn't a slouch.  That should have been Sipe vs Jaworski, but....

                              So what DO you consider the worst QB matchup to ever take place in a Super Bowl?  the following are the ONLY SB matchups where neither of the QBs have made the HOF..(or did not include the likes of  Peyton, Brady, BR, Rodgers,  Brees..future HOFers)

                              Brad Johnson/Rich Gannon    (Bucs vs Raiders)

                              Trent Dilfer/Kerry Collins  (Ravens vs. Giants)

                              Jim Plunkett vs. Ron Jaworski  (Raiders vs. Eagles)

                              Jim McMahon vs. Tony Eason  (Bears vs. Pats)

                              Joe Theisman vs. David Woodley (Redskins/Dolphins)

                              Joe Theisman vs. Jim Plunkett (Redskins/Raiders)

                              Joe Flacco vs. Colin Kaepernick  (Ravens/49ers)

                              so...what was the worst QB matchup?

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                                @the-gipper said:

                                What is, perhaps the Super Bowl that matched up the two "worst" QBs?

                                Jim Plunkett vs. Ron Jaworski  (Raiders vs. Eagles)

                                No way Jose. Jim Plunkett was a winner, and Jaworski wasn't a slouch.  That should have been Sipe vs Jaworski, but....

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                                No way Jose. Jim Plunkett was a winner, and Jaworski wasn't a slouch.  That should have been Sipe vs Jaworski, but....

                                Jaws was a good QB he was a freshman when I was a Sophomore at YSU he was part of the early turnaround of YSU football.

                                YSU was a D-II school back then but was a rare D-II invite to the Senior Bowl and was named the game MVP and impressed the NFL scouts  Just FYI.

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                                  @bob806 said:

                                  No way Jose. Jim Plunkett was a winner, and Jaworski wasn't a slouch.  That should have been Sipe vs Jaworski, but....

                                  So what DO you consider the worst QB matchup to ever take place in a Super Bowl?  the following are the ONLY SB matchups where neither of the QBs have made the HOF..(or did not include the likes of  Peyton, Brady, BR, Rodgers,  Brees..future HOFers)

                                  Brad Johnson/Rich Gannon    (Bucs vs Raiders)

                                  Trent Dilfer/Kerry Collins  (Ravens vs. Giants)

                                  Jim Plunkett vs. Ron Jaworski  (Raiders vs. Eagles)

                                  Jim McMahon vs. Tony Eason  (Bears vs. Pats)

                                  Joe Theisman vs. David Woodley (Redskins/Dolphins)

                                  Joe Theisman vs. Jim Plunkett (Redskins/Raiders)

                                  Joe Flacco vs. Colin Kaepernick  (Ravens/49ers)

                                  so...what was the worst QB matchup?

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  So what DO you consider the worst QB matchup to ever take place in a Super Bowl?  the following are the ONLY SB matchups where neither of the QBs have made the HOF..(or did not include the likes of  Peyton, Brady, BR, Rodgers,  Brees..future HOFers)

                                  Brad Johnson/Rich Gannon    (Bucs vs Raiders)

                                  Trent Dilfer/Kerry Collins  (Ravens vs. Giants)

                                  Jim Plunkett vs. Ron Jaworski  (Raiders vs. Eagles)

                                  Jim McMahon vs. Tony Eason  (Bears vs. Pats)

                                  Joe Theisman vs. David Woodley (Redskins/Dolphins)

                                  Joe Theisman vs. Jim Plunkett (Redskins/Raiders)

                                  Joe Flacco vs. Colin Kaepernick  (Ravens/49ers)

                                  so...what was the worst QB matchup?

                                  Well if I had to pick one, I guess I'd say McMahon vs Eason. I happened to like McMahon, but obviously the Bears defense was the show. IMHO, the 1985 Bears was the best defense ever (for a single season). 

                                  Tony Eason got hot at the right time, and that Patriots team was the 1st ever to win 3 road playoff games if I recall. 

                                  The Theismann-Woodley matchup was the strike-shortened season, but that's a close 2nd I suppose.

                                  Elway vs Doug Williams is honorable mention, but not on your list. 

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                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    So what DO you consider the worst QB matchup to ever take place in a Super Bowl?  the following are the ONLY SB matchups where neither of the QBs have made the HOF..(or did not include the likes of  Peyton, Brady, BR, Rodgers,  Brees..future HOFers)

                                    Brad Johnson/Rich Gannon    (Bucs vs Raiders)

                                    Trent Dilfer/Kerry Collins  (Ravens vs. Giants)

                                    Jim Plunkett vs. Ron Jaworski  (Raiders vs. Eagles)

                                    Jim McMahon vs. Tony Eason  (Bears vs. Pats)

                                    Joe Theisman vs. David Woodley (Redskins/Dolphins)

                                    Joe Theisman vs. Jim Plunkett (Redskins/Raiders)

                                    Joe Flacco vs. Colin Kaepernick  (Ravens/49ers)

                                    so...what was the worst QB matchup?

                                    Well if I had to pick one, I guess I'd say McMahon vs Eason. I happened to like McMahon, but obviously the Bears defense was the show. IMHO, the 1985 Bears was the best defense ever (for a single season). 

                                    Tony Eason got hot at the right time, and that Patriots team was the 1st ever to win 3 road playoff games if I recall. 

                                    The Theismann-Woodley matchup was the strike-shortened season, but that's a close 2nd I suppose.

                                    Elway vs Doug Williams is honorable mention, but not on your list. 

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                                    @bob806 said:

                                    Well if I had to pick one, I guess I'd say McMahon vs Eason. I happened to like McMahon, but obviously the Bears defense was the show. IMHO, the 1985 Bears was the best defense ever (for a single season). 

                                    Tony Eason got hot at the right time, and that Patriots team was the 1st ever to win 3 road playoff games if I recall. 

                                    The Theismann-Woodley matchup was the strike-shortened season, but that's a close 2nd I suppose.

                                    Elway vs Doug Williams is honorable mention, but not on your list. 

                                    Elway  maybe one of the top 5 to 7 quarterbacks of all time so no that wouldn’t be one of the choices 

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                                      @bob806 said:

                                      Well if I had to pick one, I guess I'd say McMahon vs Eason. I happened to like McMahon, but obviously the Bears defense was the show. IMHO, the 1985 Bears was the best defense ever (for a single season). 

                                      Tony Eason got hot at the right time, and that Patriots team was the 1st ever to win 3 road playoff games if I recall. 

                                      The Theismann-Woodley matchup was the strike-shortened season, but that's a close 2nd I suppose.

                                      Elway vs Doug Williams is honorable mention, but not on your list. 

                                      Elway  maybe one of the top 5 to 7 quarterbacks of all time so no that wouldn’t be one of the choices 

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                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      Elway  maybe one of the top 5 to 7 quarterbacks of all time so no that wouldn’t be one of the choices 

                                      Hey now, you scolded me for not giving an opinion, now I give one, and it's wrong?

                                      Remember, as great as Elway was, his SB wins came with Terrell Davis and a great rushing attack. Without that, they were AFC Kings and in Marty's head. 

                                      Additionally, Doug Williams wasn't a top-tier guy, he just happened to have a great playoff run with the Redskins. 

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                                        @the-gipper said:

                                        Elway  maybe one of the top 5 to 7 quarterbacks of all time so no that wouldn’t be one of the choices 

                                        Hey now, you scolded me for not giving an opinion, now I give one, and it's wrong?

                                        Remember, as great as Elway was, his SB wins came with Terrell Davis and a great rushing attack. Without that, they were AFC Kings and in Marty's head. 

                                        Additionally, Doug Williams wasn't a top-tier guy, he just happened to have a great playoff run with the Redskins. 

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                                        @bob806 said:

                                        Hey now, you scolded me for not giving an opinion, now I give one, and it's wrong?

                                        Remember, as great as Elway was, his SB wins came with Terrell Davis and a great rushing attack. Without that, they were AFC Kings and in Marty's head. 

                                        Additionally, Doug Williams wasn't a top-tier guy, he just happened to have a great playoff run with the Redskins. 

                                        I was talking about the combination of both qbs  and yes if your opinion is that Elway was not on the best quarterbacks of all time then yes your opinion is objectively wrong....as much as it pains me to say so 

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                                          @bob806 said:

                                          Hey now, you scolded me for not giving an opinion, now I give one, and it's wrong?

                                          Remember, as great as Elway was, his SB wins came with Terrell Davis and a great rushing attack. Without that, they were AFC Kings and in Marty's head. 

                                          Additionally, Doug Williams wasn't a top-tier guy, he just happened to have a great playoff run with the Redskins. 

                                          I was talking about the combination of both qbs  and yes if your opinion is that Elway was not on the best quarterbacks of all time then yes your opinion is objectively wrong....as much as it pains me to say so 

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                                          @the-gipper said:

                                          I was talking about the combination of both qbs  and yes if your opinion is that Elway was not on the best quarterbacks of all time then yes your opinion is objectively wrong....as much as it pains me to say so 

                                          Well according the the QB rating gobbeldy- gook (which I'm not really a fan of) they had Elway at 60th all time through 2014. Elway is obviously way better than 60th on the eye test, and I'd put him in my top 10.

                                          BUT....I maintain Elway vs Williams wasn't a good combo match-up in the Super Bowl. 

                                           https://www.profootballhof.com/all-time-passer-rating-2014/

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