Educated voters breaking hard against GOP
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Like the one example I poste, which I think are valid. That would include teachers, many of which are required to get master's degrees just because of the benefits of the cake job they hope to get and not because more education makes them better teachers. Philosophy, sociology, women's studies, African studies Etc Majors have useless degrees. I could probably add theater Majors to that list.
I'll repeat I think everyone on this board could be trained to teach most High School classes within a few weeks.
So there lies my disrespect for their profession. Such as it is.
WSS
In order to teach something at a high level you have to learn and understand it at a high level. Again your feeling don't mean shit to anybody but yourself. Just empty assertions. Go ahead and teach some calculus to everyone here. I took three semesters of it in college and I couldn't teach it well.
In order to teach something at a high level you have to learn and understand it at a high level. Again your feeling don't mean shit to anybody but yourself. Just empty assertions. Go ahead and teach some calculus to everyone here. I took three semesters of it in college and I couldn't teach it well.
Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes.
But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher.
WSS
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In order to teach something at a high level you have to learn and understand it at a high level. Again your feeling don't mean shit to anybody but yourself. Just empty assertions. Go ahead and teach some calculus to everyone here. I took three semesters of it in college and I couldn't teach it well.
Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes.
But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher.
WSS
Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes.
But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher.
WSS
What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
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Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes.
But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher.
WSS
What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
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What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
Some teachers, maybe plenty of them, get their degree and can't teach squat - their personality/lack of ability gets in the way.
Just like getting a computer science degree doesn't give you the innate ability to be good at it. If I had gotten a degree in music, does that mean I could be Elvis-like, like Steve? Heck, no. Now, back in the day, I could play some good guitar cords and me and my best friend could sing a few Simon and Garfunkel songs not half-bad. Now, retired, I am sure I COULD sing them half bad. lol
Understanding a subject doesn't mean you have the skills to educate others as to your understanding. Communication is two way street.
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What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
Deal with kids and their parents. Kids see their teachers more than they see their parents. Teacher has a long term affect on kids, that you don't think that is important, I can't explain it to you. You get what you pay for.
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First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
Deal with kids and their parents. Kids see their teachers more than they see their parents. Teacher has a long term affect on kids, that you don't think that is important, I can't explain it to you. You get what you pay for.
Deal with kids and their parents. Kids see their teachers more than they see their parents. Teacher has a long term affect on kids, that you don't think that is important, I can't explain it to you. You get what you pay for.
But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
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Deal with kids and their parents. Kids see their teachers more than they see their parents. Teacher has a long term affect on kids, that you don't think that is important, I can't explain it to you. You get what you pay for.
But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
That's the point. If we keep under paying teachers and under valuing them, the good ones will find different jobs. All we will have left is the babysitters. This is already happening. You don't get into teaching because the great pay and respect. I couldn't handle being disrespected daily by not only spoiled students, but also their parents like you.
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But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
That's the point. If we keep under paying teachers and under valuing them, the good ones will find different jobs. All we will have left is the babysitters. This is already happening. You don't get into teaching because the great pay and respect. I couldn't handle being disrespected daily by not only spoiled students, but also their parents like you.
That's the point. If we keep under paying teachers and under valuing them, the good ones will find different jobs. All we will have left is the babysitters. This is already happening. You don't get into teaching because the great pay and respect. I couldn't handle being disrespected daily by not only spoiled students, but also their parents like you.
Not really. Somebody who loves it will do it not only because they get paid twice the average salary in Ohio that because they only work three quarters of the year or less. If you double the salaries the ones that are already good will still be good and it will just have 80% of Deadwood getting paid twice as much.
WSS
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That's the point. If we keep under paying teachers and under valuing them, the good ones will find different jobs. All we will have left is the babysitters. This is already happening. You don't get into teaching because the great pay and respect. I couldn't handle being disrespected daily by not only spoiled students, but also their parents like you.
Not really. Somebody who loves it will do it not only because they get paid twice the average salary in Ohio that because they only work three quarters of the year or less. If you double the salaries the ones that are already good will still be good and it will just have 80% of Deadwood getting paid twice as much.
WSS
Not really. Somebody who loves it will do it not only because they get paid twice the average salary in Ohio that because they only work three quarters of the year or less. If you double the salaries the ones that are already good will still be good and it will just have 80% of Deadwood getting paid twice as much.
WSS
You keep telling yourself that.
The average beginning salary for public school teachers in 2011 was $39,000 and the average salary in 2009-10 was $55,350.
Teachers with 10 or fewer years of experience now constitute over 52 percent of our teaching force.
Teacher job satisfaction has dropped 15 points since 2009, from 59% who were very satisfied to 44% who are very satisfied, the lowest level in over 20 years.
The percentage of teachers who say they are very or fairly likely to leave the profession has increased by 12 points since 2009, from 17% to 29%.
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That's all teachers average from K through 12. The average individual salary as well. Not household. If I'm not mistaken the average single salary in Ohio is in the thirties.
WSS
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Not really. Somebody who loves it will do it not only because they get paid twice the average salary in Ohio that because they only work three quarters of the year or less. If you double the salaries the ones that are already good will still be good and it will just have 80% of Deadwood getting paid twice as much.
WSS
You keep telling yourself that.
The average beginning salary for public school teachers in 2011 was $39,000 and the average salary in 2009-10 was $55,350.
Teachers with 10 or fewer years of experience now constitute over 52 percent of our teaching force.
Teacher job satisfaction has dropped 15 points since 2009, from 59% who were very satisfied to 44% who are very satisfied, the lowest level in over 20 years.
The percentage of teachers who say they are very or fairly likely to leave the profession has increased by 12 points since 2009, from 17% to 29%.
You keep telling yourself that.
The average beginning salary for public school teachers in 2011 was $39,000 and the average salary in 2009-10 was $55,350.
Teachers with 10 or fewer years of experience now constitute over 52 percent of our teaching force.
Teacher job satisfaction has dropped 15 points since 2009, from 59% who were very satisfied to 44% who are very satisfied, the lowest level in over 20 years.
The percentage of teachers who say they are very or fairly likely to leave the profession has increased by 12 points since 2009, from 17% to 29%.
Your last tistic makes a point I don't think you expected. 29% say they would bail for more money. And as I keep trying to hammer into your thick skull if you don't love teaching you're probably not any good at it. I would say that 29% doesn't give a rat's ass about teaching anyway. I don't know what you do for a living but I would personally not take another type of job for more cash unless it was astronomical and temporary.
My minor was in secondary Ed.
WSS
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You keep telling yourself that.
The average beginning salary for public school teachers in 2011 was $39,000 and the average salary in 2009-10 was $55,350.
Teachers with 10 or fewer years of experience now constitute over 52 percent of our teaching force.
Teacher job satisfaction has dropped 15 points since 2009, from 59% who were very satisfied to 44% who are very satisfied, the lowest level in over 20 years.
The percentage of teachers who say they are very or fairly likely to leave the profession has increased by 12 points since 2009, from 17% to 29%.
Your last tistic makes a point I don't think you expected. 29% say they would bail for more money. And as I keep trying to hammer into your thick skull if you don't love teaching you're probably not any good at it. I would say that 29% doesn't give a rat's ass about teaching anyway. I don't know what you do for a living but I would personally not take another type of job for more cash unless it was astronomical and temporary.
My minor was in secondary Ed.
WSS
Your last tistic makes a point I don't think you expected. 29% say they would bail for more money. And as I keep trying to hammer into your thick skull if you don't love teaching you're probably not any good at it. I would say that 29% doesn't give a rat's ass about teaching anyway. I don't know what you do for a living but I would personally not take another type of job for more cash unless it was astronomical and temporary.
My minor was in secondary Ed.
WSS
You are making the assumption that the reason people leaving teaching is because they don't love teaching. If you are only going to post your feelings, it doesn't effect my opinion. I need actual data and evidence.
https://www.weareteachers.com/why-teachers-quit-the-profession/
1. Challenging work conditions
According to one 2017 survey of nearly 5,000 teachers conducted by the AFT and BadassTeachers, nearly two-thirds feel their jobs are “always” or “often” stressful—roughly double the rates of stress experienced by the general workforce.
Cassandra M. tells us, “Educators are bombarded with paperwork, ridiculous curriculum, and lack of time along with unrealistic expectations.”
2. Not enough support, not enough respect
Many teachers feel the negative effects of what they perceive as a lack of respect. A recent report from Penn State University and the non-profit Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, claims among professional occupations, teachers rate lowest in feeling that their opinions count at work.
3. Testing and data collection
The demands teachers are feeling as a result of high-stakes standardized testing and the emphasis on data collection is definitely a hot button issue among teachers who are leaving. According to an NEA survey of classroom teachers, 72 percent replied that they felt “moderate” or “extreme” pressure to increase test scores from both school and district administrators.
4. No longer looking out for kids’ best interests
Bonnie D. left after 30 years of teaching because she felt the system was no longer acting in the best interest of all students. “Everything became all about passing the ‘almighty test,'” she says. “Decisions were made by the administrators to concentrate only on those students who could perform well. Call me old fashioned, but I always did my best to reach and teach every student in my room, not simply the ones who had the best chance of passing a test.”
5. In the end, family takes priority
Teachers are a particularly tenacious lot, but some teachers are leaving because they have decided to invest their energy closer to home. “After eight years of teaching and 20 years of dreaming about teaching, I have left the profession,” says Cedar R. “Due to an overall lack of support, I found it very difficult to balance teaching and raising my two children.”
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If teachers want to get paid more which im ok with....it comes with a caveat, they accept higher standards. The teachers unions have kind of gotren away with themselves when they say we want higher pay but dont blame us when 80% of our kids struggle to point out canada on a global map
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it's the liberal tweaking and stereotyping of students, etc etc, that has done damage to the teaching profession.
NCLB.
Never included special education considerations in their "studies".
Liberal professions slap changes on the teaching profession again and again and again...
mucking it up, for the sake of developing their resumes for better paying superintendent roles in other school systems.
The IEP fiasco has grown to a point of absolute overwhelming convoluted bs.
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Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes.
But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher.
WSS
What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
I wouldn't recommend you running any new circuits in your house if you're not a qualified electrician. Doing your own taxes won't burn your house down and kill your whole family and possibly your neighbors'
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If teachers want to get paid more which im ok with....it comes with a caveat, they accept higher standards. The teachers unions have kind of gotren away with themselves when they say we want higher pay but dont blame us when 80% of our kids struggle to point out canada on a global map
If teachers want to get paid more which im ok with....it comes with a caveat, they accept higher standards. The teachers unions have kind of gotren away with themselves when they say we want higher pay but dont blame us when 80% of our kids struggle to point out canada on a global map
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5894e819e4b061551b3dfe51/amp
According to ultra liberal Huffington Post our schools are among the best. The problem is we let...uh..."all" the children get educated.
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Going back to the original topic
Are you suggesting GOP voters are not as smart as DEM voters
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Deal with kids and their parents. Kids see their teachers more than they see their parents. Teacher has a long term affect on kids, that you don't think that is important, I can't explain it to you. You get what you pay for.
But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
I was pretty much in all of the "advanced" classes in school. Almost all of those teachers were great. None were babysitters. And they all really understood their course work. They helped teach and drive the top of the class. They were very important.
Teachers are incredibly important in students' lives. They deal with a lot of pressure, parents, kids, etc. Poor conditions and salary have driven a lot of people away. People that don't understand what teachers do, don't understand their importance, and just go on about a "summer break" act like they have some cush job. Education especially early education, is the backbone to a lot of things in society. Why we would choose to demonize and pay as little as possible to the people most instrumental in this is beyond me.
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Steve, you seemed to make a hard stand here in moving the goalposts. I think you realized you have no way at all to backup the original anti education claims you made ("masters are generally less successful"), so you've dug in deep on the anti teachers narrative. Which, sure, is just a lot more feeling and opinion. I guess you feel like you have a better shot with this one.
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Steve, you seemed to make a hard stand here in moving the goalposts. I think you realized you have no way at all to backup the original anti education claims you made ("masters are generally less successful"), so you've dug in deep on the anti teachers narrative. Which, sure, is just a lot more feeling and opinion. I guess you feel like you have a better shot with this one.
Steve, you seemed to make a hard stand here in moving the goalposts. I think you realized you have no way at all to backup the original anti education claims you made ("masters are generally less successful"), so you've dug in deep on the anti teachers narrative. Which, sure, is just a lot more feeling and opinion. I guess you feel like you have a better shot with this one.
Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.
Do something you love to do and you are good at and you should be happy. If it's money you're after find something that you can do that other people can't or that other people don't want to.
WSS
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