Educated voters breaking hard against GOP
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Hey, that's the first time you posted anything resembling data. I guess that's progress. Though I'm sure you're gonna stretch exactly what political affiliation means in this case.
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way back, years ago, there was this PHD from India. I had my two yr degree. We worked in a high tech R&D lab.I was the only programmer/analyst.
I wrote a calculations program for a very, very complex test that involved two crazy scientific really long and complex algorithms.Short version - my program calculated in about one second the right answer every time.I ened up in the VP's office, with the PHD ridiculing me for my program that kept getting the answers wrong.
He even called me an incompetent fool. So, I went up to the white board, and explained my understanding of the whole scientific test, and my interpretations of the algorithms' proper calculation process in order.
The VP got on the phone, and called an expert in the field that he knew. Turned out, I was absolutely correct, and the PHDwas completely wrong in how he calc'ed with his calculator. He went from yelling at me, to quietly apologizing. He was stunned.
After that, he took us out to a local Indian food restaurant, and he kept taking me out every so often.
The chicken drumsticks soaked in some kind of red beet brine something was really good.
I spent many years fixing code of programs that were poorly written and didn't function properly - written by bachelor of computer science degreed higher educated incompetents.
It isn't that you get a degree - it's still the innate skills that lends itself to the person being excellent in the field.
way back, years ago, there was this PHD from India. I had my two yr degree. We worked in a high tech R&D lab.I was the only programmer/analyst.
I wrote a calculations program for a very, very complex test that involved two crazy scientific really long and complex algorithms.Short version - my program calculated in about one second the right answer every time.I ened up in the VP's office, with the PHD ridiculing me for my program that kept getting the answers wrong.
He even called me an incompetent fool. So, I went up to the white board, and explained my understanding of the whole scientific test, and my interpretations of the algorithms' proper calculation process in order.
The VP got on the phone, and called an expert in the field that he knew. Turned out, I was absolutely correct, and the PHDwas completely wrong in how he calc'ed with his calculator. He went from yelling at me, to quietly apologizing. He was stunned.
After that, he took us out to a local Indian food restaurant, and he kept taking me out every so often.
The chicken drumsticks soaked in some kind of red beet brine something was really good.
I spent many years fixing code of programs that were poorly written and didn't function properly - written by bachelor of computer science degreed higher educated incompetents.
It isn't that you get a degree - it's still the innate skills that lends itself to the person being excellent in the field.
I'll take "Things That Didn't Happen" for $800 Alex
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3 posts in a row for the peckerhead!
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way back, years ago, there was this PHD from India. I had my two yr degree. We worked in a high tech R&D lab.I was the only programmer/analyst.
I wrote a calculations program for a very, very complex test that involved two crazy scientific really long and complex algorithms.Short version - my program calculated in about one second the right answer every time.I ened up in the VP's office, with the PHD ridiculing me for my program that kept getting the answers wrong.
He even called me an incompetent fool. So, I went up to the white board, and explained my understanding of the whole scientific test, and my interpretations of the algorithms' proper calculation process in order.
The VP got on the phone, and called an expert in the field that he knew. Turned out, I was absolutely correct, and the PHDwas completely wrong in how he calc'ed with his calculator. He went from yelling at me, to quietly apologizing. He was stunned.
After that, he took us out to a local Indian food restaurant, and he kept taking me out every so often.
The chicken drumsticks soaked in some kind of red beet brine something was really good.
I spent many years fixing code of programs that were poorly written and didn't function properly - written by bachelor of computer science degreed higher educated incompetents.
It isn't that you get a degree - it's still the innate skills that lends itself to the person being excellent in the field.
I'll take "Things That Didn't Happen" for $800 Alex
I'll take "Things That Didn't Happen" for $800 Alex
yet, it is true, woodypeckerhead. you are so jealous of everybody who actually has lived life greatly.
someday, maybe you will have one. or....not.
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Hey, that's the first time you posted anything resembling data. I guess that's progress. Though I'm sure you're gonna stretch exactly what political affiliation means in this case.
Hey, that's the first time you posted anything resembling data. I guess that's progress. Though I'm sure you're gonna stretch exactly what political affiliation means in this case.
But posting a random slew of numbers really doesn't have anything to do with the opinion I put forth which I believe is valid. Education is fine oh, it makes some people feel better about themselves and in some cases trains a person for a career. Of course some people tend to become arrogant because they have a masters in something it's not particularly useful to the real world . I think teachers are among that group. When I was in college there were job postings all over the walls at the Student Center I can't specifically say it was most of them but it could have been that a red any degree.
WSS
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"the over educated are often less successful"
... That's where a "ramdon slew of numbers" (read: evidence and data) would be very helpful.
And that was just the first claim you made. You followed up with more on your anti education kick with little to nothing to support it.
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"the over educated are often less successful"
... That's where a "ramdon slew of numbers" (read: evidence and data) would be very helpful.
And that was just the first claim you made. You followed up with more on your anti education kick with little to nothing to support it.
"the over educated are often less successful"
... That's where a "ramdon slew of numbers" (read: evidence and data) would be very helpful.
And that was just the first claim you made. You followed up with more on your anti education kick with little to nothing to support it.
Like the one example I poste, which I think are valid. That would include teachers, many of which are required to get master's degrees just because of the benefits of the cake job they hope to get and not because more education makes them better teachers. Philosophy, sociology, women's studies, African studies Etc Majors have useless degrees. I could probably add theater Majors to that list.
I'll repeat I think everyone on this board could be trained to teach most High School classes within a few weeks.
So there lies my disrespect for their profession. Such as it is.
WSS
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"the over educated are often less successful"
... That's where a "ramdon slew of numbers" (read: evidence and data) would be very helpful.
And that was just the first claim you made. You followed up with more on your anti education kick with little to nothing to support it.
Like the one example I poste, which I think are valid. That would include teachers, many of which are required to get master's degrees just because of the benefits of the cake job they hope to get and not because more education makes them better teachers. Philosophy, sociology, women's studies, African studies Etc Majors have useless degrees. I could probably add theater Majors to that list.
I'll repeat I think everyone on this board could be trained to teach most High School classes within a few weeks.
So there lies my disrespect for their profession. Such as it is.
WSS
Like the one example I poste, which I think are valid. That would include teachers, many of which are required to get master's degrees just because of the benefits of the cake job they hope to get and not because more education makes them better teachers. Philosophy, sociology, women's studies, African studies Etc Majors have useless degrees. I could probably add theater Majors to that list.
I'll repeat I think everyone on this board could be trained to teach most High School classes within a few weeks.
So there lies my disrespect for their profession. Such as it is.
WSS
In order to teach something at a high level you have to learn and understand it at a high level. Again your feeling don't mean shit to anybody but yourself. Just empty assertions. Go ahead and teach some calculus to everyone here. I took three semesters of it in college and I couldn't teach it well.
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Like the one example I poste, which I think are valid. That would include teachers, many of which are required to get master's degrees just because of the benefits of the cake job they hope to get and not because more education makes them better teachers. Philosophy, sociology, women's studies, African studies Etc Majors have useless degrees. I could probably add theater Majors to that list.
I'll repeat I think everyone on this board could be trained to teach most High School classes within a few weeks.
So there lies my disrespect for their profession. Such as it is.
WSS
In order to teach something at a high level you have to learn and understand it at a high level. Again your feeling don't mean shit to anybody but yourself. Just empty assertions. Go ahead and teach some calculus to everyone here. I took three semesters of it in college and I couldn't teach it well.
In order to teach something at a high level you have to learn and understand it at a high level. Again your feeling don't mean shit to anybody but yourself. Just empty assertions. Go ahead and teach some calculus to everyone here. I took three semesters of it in college and I couldn't teach it well.
Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes.
But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher.
WSS
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In order to teach something at a high level you have to learn and understand it at a high level. Again your feeling don't mean shit to anybody but yourself. Just empty assertions. Go ahead and teach some calculus to everyone here. I took three semesters of it in college and I couldn't teach it well.
Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes.
But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher.
WSS
Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes.
But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher.
WSS
What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
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Too bad you didn't take a couple of semesters of reading comprehension. If you did you would notice that I said most and I believe earlier I did not include in stem classes.
But yes in most courses you'd have to have a basic understanding of the high school level. And I don't think that's a very high bar Basically you have to know just a little bit more than the kids. Let me ask you, besides a couple science courses what other courses do you think you'd have a problem brushing up on in a few weeks? You have your lesson plan handed to you on your first day and it doesn't change. If you don't have the aptitude for it it doesn't matter if you have a doctorate degree and English literature you won't be a good teacher.
WSS
What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
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What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
Some teachers, maybe plenty of them, get their degree and can't teach squat - their personality/lack of ability gets in the way.
Just like getting a computer science degree doesn't give you the innate ability to be good at it. If I had gotten a degree in music, does that mean I could be Elvis-like, like Steve? Heck, no. Now, back in the day, I could play some good guitar cords and me and my best friend could sing a few Simon and Garfunkel songs not half-bad. Now, retired, I am sure I COULD sing them half bad. lol
Understanding a subject doesn't mean you have the skills to educate others as to your understanding. Communication is two way street.
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What you are describing is the same with almost any job out there. I ran a new circuit in my house, does that mean I can be an electrician? I do my own taxes, does that mean an accountant?
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
Deal with kids and their parents. Kids see their teachers more than they see their parents. Teacher has a long term affect on kids, that you don't think that is important, I can't explain it to you. You get what you pay for.
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First of all running a circuit means that you did the job that electrician might do for 65 bucks an hour. If you did your own taxes you did a job that an accountant would charge you a couple hundred bucks for minimum.
What is it that you think teachers do on a day-to-day basis that you couldn't? I will assume that there are larger and more complicated jobs that an accountant or an electrician are called upon to do. Teachers? I don't think so.
WSS
Deal with kids and their parents. Kids see their teachers more than they see their parents. Teacher has a long term affect on kids, that you don't think that is important, I can't explain it to you. You get what you pay for.
Deal with kids and their parents. Kids see their teachers more than they see their parents. Teacher has a long term affect on kids, that you don't think that is important, I can't explain it to you. You get what you pay for.
But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Deal with kids and their parents. Kids see their teachers more than they see their parents. Teacher has a long term affect on kids, that you don't think that is important, I can't explain it to you. You get what you pay for.
But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
That's the point. If we keep under paying teachers and under valuing them, the good ones will find different jobs. All we will have left is the babysitters. This is already happening. You don't get into teaching because the great pay and respect. I couldn't handle being disrespected daily by not only spoiled students, but also their parents like you.
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But that's what I call aptitude. Some people do that well naturally some people don't. And a master's degree doesn't make you any more or less personable.
Think about it when you were in high school how many teachers did you absolutely love? How many did you dislike? And how many were just babysitters?
WSS
That's the point. If we keep under paying teachers and under valuing them, the good ones will find different jobs. All we will have left is the babysitters. This is already happening. You don't get into teaching because the great pay and respect. I couldn't handle being disrespected daily by not only spoiled students, but also their parents like you.
That's the point. If we keep under paying teachers and under valuing them, the good ones will find different jobs. All we will have left is the babysitters. This is already happening. You don't get into teaching because the great pay and respect. I couldn't handle being disrespected daily by not only spoiled students, but also their parents like you.
Not really. Somebody who loves it will do it not only because they get paid twice the average salary in Ohio that because they only work three quarters of the year or less. If you double the salaries the ones that are already good will still be good and it will just have 80% of Deadwood getting paid twice as much.
WSS
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That's the point. If we keep under paying teachers and under valuing them, the good ones will find different jobs. All we will have left is the babysitters. This is already happening. You don't get into teaching because the great pay and respect. I couldn't handle being disrespected daily by not only spoiled students, but also their parents like you.
Not really. Somebody who loves it will do it not only because they get paid twice the average salary in Ohio that because they only work three quarters of the year or less. If you double the salaries the ones that are already good will still be good and it will just have 80% of Deadwood getting paid twice as much.
WSS
Not really. Somebody who loves it will do it not only because they get paid twice the average salary in Ohio that because they only work three quarters of the year or less. If you double the salaries the ones that are already good will still be good and it will just have 80% of Deadwood getting paid twice as much.
WSS
You keep telling yourself that.
The average beginning salary for public school teachers in 2011 was $39,000 and the average salary in 2009-10 was $55,350.
Teachers with 10 or fewer years of experience now constitute over 52 percent of our teaching force.
Teacher job satisfaction has dropped 15 points since 2009, from 59% who were very satisfied to 44% who are very satisfied, the lowest level in over 20 years.
The percentage of teachers who say they are very or fairly likely to leave the profession has increased by 12 points since 2009, from 17% to 29%.
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That's all teachers average from K through 12. The average individual salary as well. Not household. If I'm not mistaken the average single salary in Ohio is in the thirties.
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