Id like to see the Browns def emulate something from the texans D next year....
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There are so many great DL this year, that some have to be available.
Rashan might drop depending on the health of his shoulder
A Left Tackle could be sitting there for the Browns too, if Dorsey doesn't think either candidate on the roster now is the longterm solution to the position.
A Left Tackle could be sitting there for the Browns too, if Dorsey doesn't think either candidate on the roster now is the longterm solution to the position.
They could, but would that be the best pick for the team. Since Williams and Kitchens took over, our LT play hasn't been a problem. I look to add more pop on the defensive front or a bookend corner to Ward.
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Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
2 things that always weights to our ending game results on defense 1.) Winning on 3rd down..Panthers were 5 of 14 at 36%. Browns 4 of 9= 44%....2.) Randall,Collins,Schobert,Garrett lead the way in tackles..When Carrie,BBC and Ward lead us in tackles, were screwed.. Add in the Panthers had 6 of their 10 flags on offense moving them backwards in key spots always helps.Panthers in redzone were 2 of 5..The LB Tanner Vallejo kid from Bills, has been a huge band-aide in key spots
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You realize that McCaffery had one 25-yd run in his 63-yd total for the day... on 16 carries... so that's 38-td on 15... or 2.53 ypc. More than the score forced CAR to take to the air...
As for our D wearing down... it looks like both points and yards allowed over the past 4 games are lower than any other 4-game stretch this season...
how much of that do you think is directly related to Baker and this offense that can stay on the field? And ur point about mccaffrey is right on, they had to move away from him because Baker was moving the ball. You can't argue that Mccaffrey was seeing some huge holes. Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
how much of that do you think is directly related to Baker and this offense that can stay on the field?
And ur point about mccaffrey is right on, they had to move away from him because Baker was moving the ball. You can't argue that Mccaffrey was seeing some huge holes. Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
Some for sure, but not as much as you might think. Sunday our TOP differential was -7:40. In fact 2 of our 3 most recent wins came with negative differentials. Plus have to recognize that the D getting off the field impacts TOP as well as the O staying on it.
My McCaffery point was that he did not run wild on us... Baker had zero tackles.
They could, but would that be the best pick for the team. Since Williams and Kitchens took over, our LT play hasn't been a problem. I look to add more pop on the defensive front or a bookend corner to Ward.
Good question... here's another. How much is Kitchen's playcalling restricted by his weak OT links? Both in need to help with chips or double-teams and selecting quick developing plays?
May not be an issue this season, but as tape accumulates D's could start catching onto us.
One off-setting positive for the Robinson-Hubbard duo is their run-blocking, which of course helps our passing attack.
The LB Tanner Vallejo kid from Bills, has been a huge band-aide in key spots
Agree... He's a ST anchor that can contribute to a defense in spot duty.
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Let's go steal Pete from the Seahawks. Talk about a coaching miracle, look what he did with that defense that retained one player from the Legion of Boom. What a defensive masterpiece last night over Minn. It won me my 4th win of the season in FF. I'm now officially in the money ? having covered the investment for the season.
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Let's go steal Pete from the Seahawks. Talk about a coaching miracle, look what he did with that defense that retained one player from the Legion of Boom. What a defensive masterpiece last night over Minn. It won me my 4th win of the season in FF. I'm now officially in the money ? having covered the investment for the season.
Let's go steal Pete from the Seahawks. Talk about a coaching miracle, look what he did with that defense that retained one player from the Legion of Boom. What a defensive masterpiece last night over Minn. It won me my 4th win of the season in FF. I'm now officially in the money ? having covered the investment for the season.
Id be ok with that
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how much of that do you think is directly related to Baker and this offense that can stay on the field?
And ur point about mccaffrey is right on, they had to move away from him because Baker was moving the ball. You can't argue that Mccaffrey was seeing some huge holes. Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
Some for sure, but not as much as you might think. Sunday our TOP differential was -7:40. In fact 2 of our 3 most recent wins came with negative differentials. Plus have to recognize that the D getting off the field impacts TOP as well as the O staying on it.
My McCaffery point was that he did not run wild on us... Baker had zero tackles.
They could, but would that be the best pick for the team. Since Williams and Kitchens took over, our LT play hasn't been a problem. I look to add more pop on the defensive front or a bookend corner to Ward.
Good question... here's another. How much is Kitchen's playcalling restricted by his weak OT links? Both in need to help with chips or double-teams and selecting quick developing plays?
May not be an issue this season, but as tape accumulates D's could start catching onto us.
One off-setting positive for the Robinson-Hubbard duo is their run-blocking, which of course helps our passing attack.
The LB Tanner Vallejo kid from Bills, has been a huge band-aide in key spots
Agree... He's a ST anchor that can contribute to a defense in spot duty.
Some for sure, but not as much as you might think. Sunday our TOP differential was -7:40. In fact 2 of our 3 most recent wins came with negative differentials. Plus have to recognize that the D getting off the field impacts TOP as well as the O staying on it.
My McCaffery point was that he did not run wild on us... Baker had zero tackles..
So u dont think baker had any impact on the panthers favoring the pass more and more as the game went on? Had the panthers been able to.give him the ball 25-30 times i think that would have signified a browns loss. They had to put it in cams hands and he blew an open rec for the go ahead TD......a win is a win but the defense is looking shaky despite not giving up that many points, thank god the o line has figured how to keep baker alive otherwise tyrod would prob be playing.
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In the ESPN Mock Draft 1.0, McShay had the Browns at #12 taking Houston DT Ed Oliver, which would not suck.
The defensive talent at the top of this upcoming draft is insane, and with the exception of MLB and the safety positions I could see the Browns going anywhere else with their first rounder.
(OLB Josh Allen, Kentucky went #9 to Detroit. He's another name that is starting to get love on this board, and I can see why)
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In the ESPN Mock Draft 1.0, McShay had the Browns at #12 taking Houston DT Ed Oliver, which would not suck.
The defensive talent at the top of this upcoming draft is insane, and with the exception of MLB and the safety positions I could see the Browns going anywhere else with their first rounder.
(OLB Josh Allen, Kentucky went #9 to Detroit. He's another name that is starting to get love on this board, and I can see why)
In the ESPN Mock Draft 1.0, McShay had the Browns at #12 taking Houston DT Ed Oliver, which would not suck.
The defensive talent at the top of this upcoming draft is insane, and with the exception of MLB and the safety positions I could see the Browns going anywhere else with their first rounder.
(OLB Josh Allen, Kentucky went #9 to Detroit. He's another name that is starting to get love on this board, and I can see why)
Yeah i dont beleive for a second that oliver falls that far. No way. He's got rashan going 2nd now. Im not a downer on gary, if that shoulder is healed up by the combine...and he's there when we pick...yeah sure, unless we address LDE in FA. But i wouldnt take rashan over oliver, no way. Oliver is the only guy in the draft at bosas level. He's going #2
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In the ESPN Mock Draft 1.0, McShay had the Browns at #12 taking Houston DT Ed Oliver, which would not suck.
The defensive talent at the top of this upcoming draft is insane, and with the exception of MLB and the safety positions I could see the Browns going anywhere else with their first rounder.
(OLB Josh Allen, Kentucky went #9 to Detroit. He's another name that is starting to get love on this board, and I can see why)
Yeah i dont beleive for a second that oliver falls that far. No way. He's got rashan going 2nd now. Im not a downer on gary, if that shoulder is healed up by the combine...and he's there when we pick...yeah sure, unless we address LDE in FA. But i wouldnt take rashan over oliver, no way. Oliver is the only guy in the draft at bosas level. He's going #2
Yeah i dont beleive for a second that oliver falls that far. No way. He's got rashan going 2nd now. Im not a downer on gary, if that shoulder is healed up by the combine...and he's there when we pick...yeah sure, unless we address LDE in FA. But i wouldnt take rashan over oliver, no way. Oliver is the only guy in the draft at bosas level. He's going #2
If its true that Oliver is only 275lbs, I could see him sliding a bit.
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I think Oliver and Gary are similar in size. Well, Gary is taller, but they're both 280+ I think. I bet they both play the same position in the NFL. In a 4-3, creating interior pass rush.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Yeah i dont beleive for a second that oliver falls that far. No way. He's got rashan going 2nd now. Im not a downer on gary, if that shoulder is healed up by the combine...and he's there when we pick...yeah sure, unless we address LDE in FA. But i wouldnt take rashan over oliver, no way. Oliver is the only guy in the draft at bosas level. He's going #2
If its true that Oliver is only 275lbs, I could see him sliding a bit.
If its true that Oliver is only 275lbs, I could see him sliding a bit.
Why? Have u seen his tape dude? I mean thats bosas size. Besides i think he's pushing 290 anyway. But if he is 275 it makes his tape even that more impressive
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I think Oliver and Gary are similar in size. Well, Gary is taller, but they're both 280+ I think. I bet they both play the same position in the NFL. In a 4-3, creating interior pass rush.
I think Oliver and Gary are similar in size. Well, Gary is taller, but they're both 280+ I think. I bet they both play the same position in the NFL. In a 4-3, creating interior pass rush.
If we would end up with gary or oliver id like to see them at LDE in our 43 sets and slide inside fir our 34 looks. Both thise guys would be monsters coming off the left edge. Oliver would be more nfl ready day one.....but rashan wouldnt need more than a year. Even myles took a year to clean up some of his tech
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If its true that Oliver is only 275lbs, I could see him sliding a bit.
Why? Have u seen his tape dude? I mean thats bosas size. Besides i think he's pushing 290 anyway. But if he is 275 it makes his tape even that more impressive
Why? Have u seen his tape dude? I mean thats bosas size. Besides i think he's pushing 290 anyway. But if he is 275 it makes his tape even that more impressive
Just look what happens when 270 lb Garrett moves over to DT from time to time. He doesn't have a bit of trouble getting through.
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Bosa is a true end.
Oliver played inside in college (against lower level talent remember)
Gary played outside a lot, but has been projected inside a lot at the next level.
I'd personally rather see us get a compliment to Ogunjobi inside. Interior pass rush is much more disruptive. Look at what Aaron Donald does. Plus Oliver or Gary could line up at some other positions on the line if needed.
Bosas projections probably put him out of our range. Gary's vary a lot, but after the combine (and if we finish strong) he may be too high as well. If Oliver falls to us, I'll be very happy.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
If its true that Oliver is only 275lbs, I could see him sliding a bit.
Why? Have u seen his tape dude? I mean thats bosas size. Besides i think he's pushing 290 anyway. But if he is 275 it makes his tape even that more impressive
Why? Have u seen his tape dude? I mean thats bosas size. Besides i think he's pushing 290 anyway. But if he is 275 it makes his tape even that more impressive
I'm possibly the first person on this board who mentioned that I want the Browns to draft this kid, right after LAST YEAR'S draft.
But there seems to be a reason why the same guys who pimped Oliver as a #1 or #2 overall pick now have him out of the top 10. That raises a few questions to me, enough to make me have to see more of Oliver to see why they think he's sliding.
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Bosa is a true end.
Oliver played inside in college (against lower level talent remember)
Gary played outside a lot, but has been projected inside a lot at the next level.
I'd personally rather see us get a compliment to Ogunjobi inside. Interior pass rush is much more disruptive. Look at what Aaron Donald does. Plus Oliver or Gary could line up at some other positions on the line if needed.
Bosas projections probably put him out of our range. Gary's vary a lot, but after the combine (and if we finish strong) he may be too high as well. If Oliver falls to us, I'll be very happy.
Bosa is a true end.
Oliver played inside in college (against lower level talent remember)
Gary played outside a lot, but has been projected inside a lot at the next level.
I'd personally rather see us get a compliment to Ogunjobi inside. Interior pass rush is much more disruptive. Look at what Aaron Donald does. Plus Oliver or Gary could line up at some other positions on the line if needed.
Bosas projections probably put him out of our range. Gary's vary a lot, but after the combine (and if we finish strong) he may be too high as well. If Oliver falls to us, I'll be very happy.
And I'm pretty much on on taking the biggest, best, fastest, most athletic ILB available. Does no good to plug the middle if no one is filling the gap properly. I still can't figure out why we traded Shelton away for a song and a dance. Anybody get it?
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Bosa is a true end.
Oliver played inside in college (against lower level talent remember)
Gary played outside a lot, but has been projected inside a lot at the next level.
I'd personally rather see us get a compliment to Ogunjobi inside. Interior pass rush is much more disruptive. Look at what Aaron Donald does. Plus Oliver or Gary could line up at some other positions on the line if needed.
Bosas projections probably put him out of our range. Gary's vary a lot, but after the combine (and if we finish strong) he may be too high as well. If Oliver falls to us, I'll be very happy.
And I'm pretty much on on taking the biggest, best, fastest, most athletic ILB available. Does no good to plug the middle if no one is filling the gap properly. I still can't figure out why we traded Shelton away for a song and a dance. Anybody get it?
And I'm pretty much on on taking the biggest, best, fastest, most athletic ILB available. Does no good to plug the middle if no one is filling the gap properly. I still can't figure out why we traded Shelton away for a song and a dance. Anybody get it?
Schobert is all that.. we do need OLB's beside him though.
Shelton.. probably they thought the other guys were just as good. Don't look at Shelton's PFF -- it's frustrating to see Coley and Ogun both notably lower than him.
That first rounder now once again has to be DT and probably the second a LB..
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In the ESPN Mock Draft 1.0, McShay had the Browns at #12 taking Houston DT Ed Oliver, which would not suck.
The defensive talent at the top of this upcoming draft is insane, and with the exception of MLB and the safety positions I could see the Browns going anywhere else with their first rounder.
(OLB Josh Allen, Kentucky went #9 to Detroit. He's another name that is starting to get love on this board, and I can see why)
Key to OLBs will be what we do with Collins.
In the ESPN Mock Draft 1.0, McShay had the Browns at #12 taking Houston DT Ed Oliver, which would not suck.
(OLB Josh Allen, Kentucky went #9 to Detroit. He's another name that is starting to get love on this board, and I can see why)
If its true that Oliver is only 275lbs, I could see him sliding a bit.
Yup... the discussion around Oliver's playing weight surprised me.
Also even as blurry as the line has gotten, it surprised me that McShay listed Allen as a DE.
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guys...between kirksey, schobert, vallejo and AVERY.....we are pimped at LB'er. I like collins but if he goes, im perfectly ok with that. Personally i think Avery is being groomed to fill his role and still come off the edge in the nickel packages.
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Why? Have u seen his tape dude? I mean thats bosas size. Besides i think he's pushing 290 anyway. But if he is 275 it makes his tape even that more impressive
Just look what happens when 270 lb Garrett moves over to DT from time to time. He doesn't have a bit of trouble getting through.
Just look what happens when 270 lb Garrett moves over to DT from time to time. He doesn't have a bit of trouble getting through.
Because he lines up in the gaps. For Pure pass rushing you could line up Avery inside and he'd make intior lineman look silly.....he'd knife throigh a gap before the came out of their 3 pt. For an every down DT garrett would not be good at his current weight....because he'd have too much gap responsibility and it would wear him down
Interior lineman have to be able to deal with double teams on the regular. They need that anchor weight. Frankly when we had shelton and meder, nothing came up the middle. If we had them back right now rotating with ogunjobi, and garrett/avery rushing the edges......omg. And jobi would be a healthy one gapper terrorizing interior lines.
Right u all see he's not anywhere close to what he was beginning of the season. He'll prob nurse that bicep through the end of the season.
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