Id like to see the Browns def emulate something from the texans D next year....
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In the ESPN Mock Draft 1.0, McShay had the Browns at #12 taking Houston DT Ed Oliver, which would not suck.
The defensive talent at the top of this upcoming draft is insane, and with the exception of MLB and the safety positions I could see the Browns going anywhere else with their first rounder.
(OLB Josh Allen, Kentucky went #9 to Detroit. He's another name that is starting to get love on this board, and I can see why)
Key to OLBs will be what we do with Collins.
In the ESPN Mock Draft 1.0, McShay had the Browns at #12 taking Houston DT Ed Oliver, which would not suck.
(OLB Josh Allen, Kentucky went #9 to Detroit. He's another name that is starting to get love on this board, and I can see why)
If its true that Oliver is only 275lbs, I could see him sliding a bit.
Yup... the discussion around Oliver's playing weight surprised me.
Also even as blurry as the line has gotten, it surprised me that McShay listed Allen as a DE.
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guys...between kirksey, schobert, vallejo and AVERY.....we are pimped at LB'er. I like collins but if he goes, im perfectly ok with that. Personally i think Avery is being groomed to fill his role and still come off the edge in the nickel packages.
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Why? Have u seen his tape dude? I mean thats bosas size. Besides i think he's pushing 290 anyway. But if he is 275 it makes his tape even that more impressive
Just look what happens when 270 lb Garrett moves over to DT from time to time. He doesn't have a bit of trouble getting through.
Just look what happens when 270 lb Garrett moves over to DT from time to time. He doesn't have a bit of trouble getting through.
Because he lines up in the gaps. For Pure pass rushing you could line up Avery inside and he'd make intior lineman look silly.....he'd knife throigh a gap before the came out of their 3 pt. For an every down DT garrett would not be good at his current weight....because he'd have too much gap responsibility and it would wear him down
Interior lineman have to be able to deal with double teams on the regular. They need that anchor weight. Frankly when we had shelton and meder, nothing came up the middle. If we had them back right now rotating with ogunjobi, and garrett/avery rushing the edges......omg. And jobi would be a healthy one gapper terrorizing interior lines.
Right u all see he's not anywhere close to what he was beginning of the season. He'll prob nurse that bicep through the end of the season.
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I think Oliver and Gary are similar in size. Well, Gary is taller, but they're both 280+ I think. I bet they both play the same position in the NFL. In a 4-3, creating interior pass rush.
I think Oliver and Gary are similar in size. Well, Gary is taller, but they're both 280+ I think. I bet they both play the same position in the NFL. In a 4-3, creating interior pass rush.
Well.....according to Todd McShay's firt Mock Draft.....the top 5 picks off the board will all be defensive linemen.
And I am sure that Oliver was not among those 5. Not sure about Gary. (I don't subscribe....so I can't check it). So, who knows, they could both be there in the mid first round.
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they've got gary going 2nd now. Hey, im all for Oliver dropping down the board. ALL for it
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I think Oliver and Gary are similar in size. Well, Gary is taller, but they're both 280+ I think. I bet they both play the same position in the NFL. In a 4-3, creating interior pass rush.
Well.....according to Todd McShay's firt Mock Draft.....the top 5 picks off the board will all be defensive linemen.
And I am sure that Oliver was not among those 5. Not sure about Gary. (I don't subscribe....so I can't check it). So, who knows, they could both be there in the mid first round.
Well.....according to Todd McShay's firt Mock Draft.....the top 5 picks off the board will all be defensive linemen.
And I am sure that Oliver was not among those 5. Not sure about Gary. (I don't subscribe....so I can't check it). So, who knows, they could both be there in the mid first round.
He had Gary going 2nd
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Got a text about 10am saying " Josh Allen, you need to watch this kid"... wondered if anyone else on this board had seen him yet so I hit the little search button.
... and here we are.
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Well.....according to Todd McShay's firt Mock Draft.....the top 5 picks off the board will all be defensive linemen.
And I am sure that Oliver was not among those 5. Not sure about Gary. (I don't subscribe....so I can't check it). So, who knows, they could both be there in the mid first round.
He had Gary going 2nd
He had Gary going 2nd
I am skeptical that the Top 5 would ever be all D Linemen....even if that is where the strength of the draft is. Quarterbacks STILL command the attention of the top of the draft.
But, oddly...the Top 6 teams that would draft now if the season ended today do not appear to be in need of a QB: 49ers (Garropolo coming back), Cardinals (Rosen) Raiders (Carr) Jets(Darnold) Falcons (Ryan still at it) Bills (Allen). It is not until you get to 7 and 8 where a QB may be needed: Jags and Giants. (then maybe Redskins at 15 and Dolphins at 19 could be in the market.
IF that order held up....I could see some serious trade ups for a QB. (But only if Herbert and Haskins come out...which neither may). but if they do, these top DL could slip down a bit.
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guys...between kirksey, schobert, vallejo and AVERY.....we are pimped at LB'er. I like collins but if he goes, im perfectly ok with that. Personally i think Avery is being groomed to fill his role and still come off the edge in the nickel packages.
guys...between kirksey, schobert, vallejo and AVERY.....we are pimped at LB'er. I like collins but if he goes, im perfectly ok with that. Personally i think Avery is being groomed to fill his role and still come off the edge in the nickel packages.
Kirksey has been a ghost for most of the season, as much as I like him.
Schobert is a mainstay.
Vallejo? Really?
Avery is a good situational player.
OLB is a need.
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Bosa is a true end.
Oliver played inside in college (against lower level talent remember)
Gary played outside a lot, but has been projected inside a lot at the next level.
I'd personally rather see us get a compliment to Ogunjobi inside. Interior pass rush is much more disruptive. Look at what Aaron Donald does. Plus Oliver or Gary could line up at some other positions on the line if needed.
Bosas projections probably put him out of our range. Gary's vary a lot, but after the combine (and if we finish strong) he may be too high as well. If Oliver falls to us, I'll be very happy.
And I'm pretty much on on taking the biggest, best, fastest, most athletic ILB available. Does no good to plug the middle if no one is filling the gap properly. I still can't figure out why we traded Shelton away for a song and a dance. Anybody get it?
And I'm pretty much on on taking the biggest, best, fastest, most athletic ILB available. Does no good to plug the middle if no one is filling the gap properly. I still can't figure out why we traded Shelton away for a song and a dance. Anybody get it?
Shelton wasn’t worth the 1st rounder money? And didn’t fit the 4-3 scheme.
as far a LB, don’t forget, it’s important for and ILB to have high IQ and we already have a high IQ ILB. Kirksey plays well on the inside as well.
Schobert will pack on some size, he was pretty small as a rookie and has gotten bigger since.
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I don't have any stats to back this thought up, so feel free to destroy me on this if you feel I'm way off base...
I'm starting to feel like LBs are the defensive version of RBs.
Basically, you don't have to invest in a high pick to get a quality one. Four months before the Draft, I'm intrigued by someone like Josh Allen, but I have this sneaking suspicion I'll probably lean towards a DLineman, corner or Left Tackle.
Am I way off base?
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I don't have any stats to back this thought up, so feel free to destroy me on this if you feel I'm way off base...
I'm starting to feel like LBs are the defensive version of RBs.
Basically, you don't have to invest in a high pick to get a quality one. Four months before the Draft, I'm intrigued by someone like Josh Allen, but I have this sneaking suspicion I'll probably lean towards a DLineman, corner or Left Tackle.
Am I way off base?
I don't have any stats to back this thought up, so feel free to destroy me on this if you feel I'm way off base...
I'm starting to feel like LBs are the defensive version of RBs.
Basically, you don't have to invest in a high pick to get a quality one. Four months before the Draft, I'm intrigued by someone like Josh Allen, but I have this sneaking suspicion I'll probably lean towards a DLineman, corner or Left Tackle.
Am I way off base?
No. The league is much more passing heavy now.
Pass rush and pass coverage are king on D.
Versitile DBs can do more than a LB. And your LBs need to be able to cover. Big, run stopping LBs that throw their bodies into gaps are less important.
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He had Gary going 2nd
I am skeptical that the Top 5 would ever be all D Linemen....even if that is where the strength of the draft is. Quarterbacks STILL command the attention of the top of the draft.
But, oddly...the Top 6 teams that would draft now if the season ended today do not appear to be in need of a QB: 49ers (Garropolo coming back), Cardinals (Rosen) Raiders (Carr) Jets(Darnold) Falcons (Ryan still at it) Bills (Allen). It is not until you get to 7 and 8 where a QB may be needed: Jags and Giants. (then maybe Redskins at 15 and Dolphins at 19 could be in the market.
IF that order held up....I could see some serious trade ups for a QB. (But only if Herbert and Haskins come out...which neither may). but if they do, these top DL could slip down a bit.
I am skeptical that the Top 5 would ever be all D Linemen....even if that is where the strength of the draft is. Quarterbacks STILL command the attention of the top of the draft.
But, oddly...the Top 6 teams that would draft now if the season ended today do not appear to be in need of a QB: 49ers (Garropolo coming back), Cardinals (Rosen) Raiders (Carr) Jets(Darnold) Falcons (Ryan still at it) Bills (Allen). It is not until you get to 7 and 8 where a QB may be needed: Jags and Giants. (then maybe Redskins at 15 and Dolphins at 19 could be in the market.
IF that order held up....I could see some serious trade ups for a QB. (But only if Herbert and Haskins come out...which neither may). but if they do, these top DL could slip down a bit.
I listen to Kiper and McShays First Draft podcast every year. They hate making mock drafts, especially this far out. They're a vehicle to drive clicks, so interesting things like a top 5 of all DL help. It only really starts tonl mean something with the last few mocks.
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guys...between kirksey, schobert, vallejo and AVERY.....we are pimped at LB'er. I like collins but if he goes, im perfectly ok with that. Personally i think Avery is being groomed to fill his role and still come off the edge in the nickel packages.
Kirksey has been a ghost for most of the season, as much as I like him.
Schobert is a mainstay.
Vallejo? Really?
Avery is a good situational player.
OLB is a need.
Vallejo? Really?
Yes really, i would be absolutely fine with him being our mlb'er if schobert got hurt again. Vallejo has serious potential. Him, schobert and Avery as the 3 lb'ers in our 43 sets is fine by me. Avery will continue to progress so id be fine with him takibg over for collins next year if he leaves.
Im not saying valkejo is as goid as schobert, yet, but he does pop into the gaps with a little more authority than joe.
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Theres alot of things that a football player does on the field that doesnt show up on a stat sheet, like obliterating a lead block so ur squad mate can close on the ball carrier unperturbed.
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guys...between kirksey, schobert, vallejo and AVERY.....we are pimped at LB'er. I like collins but if he goes, im perfectly ok with that. Personally i think Avery is being groomed to fill his role and still come off the edge in the nickel packages.
Kirksey has been a ghost for most of the season, as much as I like him.
Schobert is a mainstay.
Vallejo? Really?
Avery is a good situational player.
OLB is a need.
Kirksey has been a ghost for most of the season, as much as I like him.
Schobert is a mainstay.
Vallejo? Really?
Avery is a good situational player.
OLB is a need.
Agree...
I expect Avery to push Kirk for the starting job in 2019.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Kirksey has been a ghost for most of the season, as much as I like him.
Schobert is a mainstay.
Vallejo? Really?
Avery is a good situational player.
OLB is a need.
Agree...
I expect Avery to push Kirk for the starting job in 2019.
Agree...
I expect Avery to push Kirk for the starting job in 2019.
You honestly see Avery not as a liability in that full time role?
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And I'm pretty much on on taking the biggest, best, fastest, most athletic ILB available. Does no good to plug the middle if no one is filling the gap properly. I still can't figure out why we traded Shelton away for a song and a dance. Anybody get it?
Shelton wasn’t worth the 1st rounder money? And didn’t fit the 4-3 scheme.
as far a LB, don’t forget, it’s important for and ILB to have high IQ and we already have a high IQ ILB. Kirksey plays well on the inside as well.
Schobert will pack on some size, he was pretty small as a rookie and has gotten bigger since.
And didn’t fit the 4-3 scheme.
Again with outdated terms.
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I don't have any stats to back this thought up, so feel free to destroy me on this if you feel I'm way off base...
I'm starting to feel like LBs are the defensive version of RBs.
Basically, you don't have to invest in a high pick to get a quality one. Four months before the Draft, I'm intrigued by someone like Josh Allen, but I have this sneaking suspicion I'll probably lean towards a DLineman, corner or Left Tackle.
Am I way off base?
I'm starting to feel like LBs are the defensive version of RBs.
Basically, you don't have to invest in a high pick to get a quality one. Four months before the Draft, I'm intrigued by someone like Josh Allen, but I have this sneaking suspicion I'll probably lean towards a DLineman, corner or Left Tackle.
And I'm starting to feel like QBs are the offensive version of RBs every time I see highlights of the rookie QBs in Buffalo and Baltimore.
I'm starting to think Taco was right after all about needing corners when we can't keep anyone but Carrie healthy for any length of time this year. That said, he questioned our talent at the position more-so than our depth so I'll continue to disagree with him on that part of it.
Lost in all the excitement, there's ANOTHER Josh Allen getting love on this board? Stay tuned...
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I'm starting to feel like LBs are the defensive version of RBs.
Basically, you don't have to invest in a high pick to get a quality one. Four months before the Draft, I'm intrigued by someone like Josh Allen, but I have this sneaking suspicion I'll probably lean towards a DLineman, corner or Left Tackle.
And I'm starting to feel like QBs are the offensive version of RBs every time I see highlights of the rookie QBs in Buffalo and Baltimore.
I'm starting to think Taco was right after all about needing corners when we can't keep anyone but Carrie healthy for any length of time this year. That said, he questioned our talent at the position more-so than our depth so I'll continue to disagree with him on that part of it.
Lost in all the excitement, there's ANOTHER Josh Allen getting love on this board? Stay tuned...
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