IMO Our def scheme sucks...
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We were 6th against the run i beleive? I acknowledged we werent good against the pass but that could have something to.do with the fact myles was playing on on one leg. We had a better identity last year. We had a better foundarion to build on
No.... We didn't. Selling out to stop one thing isn't a "foundation". Hardly an "identity".
Our players got out schemed by a relatively new offense with an elite and unique running talent at QB that's been out scheming everyone. Let's not act like this one game means we're just awful at everything all year. Let's not overreact that much.
THIS year we have a foundation and something to build on. We need a DT, we NEED A LB. We could use another young CB.
Let's not act like this one game means we're just awful at everything all year. Let's not overreact that much.
Nope ive been pointing this out for weeks even when we won. Bakers rise has obfuscated alot of our defensive deficiencies
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Ok then tell me about that grain of salt......
I'm good. That would take time that I don't care to invest in your 'XYZ' sucks threads after every loss.
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Dude ravens lined up and punched us in the dick , how u not see that? They didnt purely scheme 300yds on the ground. OL were drive blocking our DL back into the 2nd level, thats called "mans game"
Dude, it wasn't just some smash move power football. There was a lot more going on. Our players blew assignments. It was the one time all year they'd play a D like that and it showed. It's dumb to overreact
Dude, it wasn't just some smash move power football.
Then go back and watch the tape, our DL got dominated. Honest to god i saw myles hold up against the LT and LG yet our DL was getting their pads lifted 1v1....i dont get that
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Ok then tell me about that grain of salt......
I'm good. That would take time that I don't care to invest in your 'XYZ' sucks threads after every loss.
I'm good. That would take time that I don't care to invest in your 'XYZ' sucks threads after every loss.
Except ive pointed this out after wins but u didnt wanna hear it then either. So yeah, im good to........
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Let's not act like this one game means we're just awful at everything all year. Let's not overreact that much.
Nope ive been pointing this out for weeks even when we won. Bakers rise has obfuscated alot of our defensive deficiencies
Bakers rise has obfuscated alot of our defensive deficiencies
W H A T?
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Except ive pointed this out after wins but u didnt wanna hear it then either. So yeah, im good to........
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Bakers rise has obfuscated alot of our defensive deficiencies
W H A T?
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Except ive pointed this out after wins but u didnt wanna hear it then either. So yeah, im good to........
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Good qb play keeps the defense off the field.
obfuscated had better days sitting resting on the bench, i'll look that up in the football for dummies book ? ?...a HC/DC hiring will dictate our next moves..see ya than..
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Good qb play keeps the defense off the field.
obfuscated had better days sitting resting on the bench, i'll look that up in the football for dummies book ? ?...a HC/DC hiring will dictate our next moves..see ya than..
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Ive been questioning our scheme, or lack thereof...for weeks now. And Blt exploited the fuk out of personnel alignments ive been skeptical about now for awhile. Now i know some guys gere were like relax, its a hybrid defense williams is being crafty etc,etc.
Well today, Blt lined up and put their dicks right in the front 7's ear. It took till late in the 4th quarter for Williams to essentially 2 gap the whole front 4 by lining them up heads up. Then finally some of those gaping pornstar holes were being plugged "somewhat" and our LB'ers were free to flow around the edges to cover the outside runs. Till then there were Blt OL routinely at the 2nd level swallowing up our LB'ers. And also routinely drive blocking our interior lineman 5 yds back.
Anyway, what i saw today was a defense thats been unsettled for weeks face an offense that was willing to play old school come get some football and our defensive front 4 was being gimmicky schemed almost like we were playing some top level qb we needed to keep from throwing instead of a college type running game we needed to plug all the gaps on. I couldnt count how many times myles was standing today. When we only had 2 other DL at the line. The gaping holes we left this offense we knew were gonna come like they did.....it just defies sense. I dont understand, williams is supposed to be better than this. I understand doing some weird things with ur edge freak myles who's an elite athlete, but standing up the rotational DL depth like zettel....again, its ridiculous. Guys were just getting blown off the line.
We were better last year. We had an identity on the defense. We were stout against the run but weak on the pass.....we could have worked on that.
Ive been questioning our scheme, or lack thereof...for weeks now. And Blt exploited the fuk out of personnel alignments ive been skeptical about now for awhile. Now i know some guys gere were like relax, its a hybrid defense williams is being crafty etc,etc.
Well today, Blt lined up and put their dicks right in the front 7's ear. It took till late in the 4th quarter for Williams to essentially 2 gap the whole front 4 by lining them up heads up. Then finally some of those gaping pornstar holes were being plugged "somewhat" and our LB'ers were free to flow around the edges to cover the outside runs. Till then there were Blt OL routinely at the 2nd level swallowing up our LB'ers. And also routinely drive blocking our interior lineman 5 yds back.
It wasn't until the 4th that we could rely on BLT shelving the pass to burn clock and even then they still mixed in a pass here and there.
The cost of our Shelton-fueled, stout run D last season was less pressure on the passer. That teams could pass on us was one reason our run stat looked so good.
This year we improved our scoring D by about 10 spots, in no small part due to an upswing in takeaways, and in the end that's what matters.
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Ive been questioning our scheme, or lack thereof...for weeks now. And Blt exploited the fuk out of personnel alignments ive been skeptical about now for awhile. Now i know some guys gere were like relax, its a hybrid defense williams is being crafty etc,etc.
Well today, Blt lined up and put their dicks right in the front 7's ear. It took till late in the 4th quarter for Williams to essentially 2 gap the whole front 4 by lining them up heads up. Then finally some of those gaping pornstar holes were being plugged "somewhat" and our LB'ers were free to flow around the edges to cover the outside runs. Till then there were Blt OL routinely at the 2nd level swallowing up our LB'ers. And also routinely drive blocking our interior lineman 5 yds back.
It wasn't until the 4th that we could rely on BLT shelving the pass to burn clock and even then they still mixed in a pass here and there.
The cost of our Shelton-fueled, stout run D last season was less pressure on the passer. That teams could pass on us was one reason our run stat looked so good.
This year we improved our scoring D by about 10 spots, in no small part due to an upswing in takeaways, and in the end that's what matters.
It wasn't until the 4th that we could rely on BLT shelving the pass to burn clock and even then they still mixed in a pass here and there.
The cost of our Shelton-fueled, stout run D last season was less pressure on the passer. That teams could pass on us was one reason our run stat looked so good.
This year we improved our scoring D by about 10 spots, in no small part due to an upswing in takeaways, and in the end that's what matters.
I don't see our interior DL as any part to do with the uptick in other areas of our defense. If anything it's been a glaring weakness. IMO Jobi is just not a heavy lifter...he's not dealing with double teams well even when he was healthy. When he can slice through the gaps he can be a terror, no question. If we're building a purely pass rush defense that relies on the offense to score a ton of points...well then our current players may make some sense. But if they have to buckle down and keep OL off the LB"ers….I see big problems. Not from Myles tho…..dude continues to impress the shit out of me. As I mentioned earlier, he stood up a combo block from LT/LG. Kid is the real deal.
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It wasn't until the 4th that we could rely on BLT shelving the pass to burn clock and even then they still mixed in a pass here and there.
The cost of our Shelton-fueled, stout run D last season was less pressure on the passer. That teams could pass on us was one reason our run stat looked so good.
This year we improved our scoring D by about 10 spots, in no small part due to an upswing in takeaways, and in the end that's what matters.
I don't see our interior DL as any part to do with the uptick in other areas of our defense. If anything it's been a glaring weakness. IMO Jobi is just not a heavy lifter...he's not dealing with double teams well even when he was healthy. When he can slice through the gaps he can be a terror, no question. If we're building a purely pass rush defense that relies on the offense to score a ton of points...well then our current players may make some sense. But if they have to buckle down and keep OL off the LB"ers….I see big problems. Not from Myles tho…..dude continues to impress the shit out of me. As I mentioned earlier, he stood up a combo block from LT/LG. Kid is the real deal.
I don't see our interior DL as any part to do with the uptick in other areas of our defense. If anything it's been a glaring weakness. IMO Jobi is just not a heavy lifter...he's not dealing with double teams well even when he was healthy. When he can slice through the gaps he can be a terror, no question. If we're building a purely pass rush defense that relies on the offense to score a ton of points...well then our current players may make some sense. But if they have to buckle down and keep OL off the LB"ers….I see big problems. Not from Myles tho…..dude continues to impress the shit out of me. As I mentioned earlier, he stood up a combo block from LT/LG. Kid is the real deal.
Jobi has been more of our under spot to push the pocket more often than not. I believe what you're getting at is a combo of Coley and Davis being rather ineffective at times. Though the later only has 6 games of action under his belt and is strangely inactive when allegedly healthy.
Good news, it's a deep draft for defensive line talent.
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I hate letting black Tarkenton run all over us but I love the halftime adjustment. Not everybody can do that.
WSS
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I was impressed by Baltimore’s run blocking yesterday. Aggressive, fast and tenacious.
I did about 2 minutes of research on O line rankings and they seem to be ranked in the middle of the pack. Per the above article, their best performance to that point was the last time they faced us.
One variable may be that they simply match up favorably against our defensive front.
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I was impressed by Baltimore’s run blocking yesterday. Aggressive, fast and tenacious.
I did about 2 minutes of research on O line rankings and they seem to be ranked in the middle of the pack. Per the above article, their best performance to that point was the last time they faced us.
One variable may be that they simply match up favorably against our defensive front.
I was impressed by Baltimore’s run blocking yesterday. Aggressive, fast and tenacious.
I did about 2 minutes of research on O line rankings and they seem to be ranked in the middle of the pack. Per the above article, their best performance to that point was the last time they faced us.
One variable may be that they simply match up favorably against our defensive front.
The variable is probably that most other teams do not get an average of 90 yards rushing out of their QB. I wonder where they would rank in rushing if you took Jackson out of the equation.
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I was impressed by Baltimore’s run blocking yesterday. Aggressive, fast and tenacious.
I did about 2 minutes of research on O line rankings and they seem to be ranked in the middle of the pack. Per the above article, their best performance to that point was the last time they faced us.
One variable may be that they simply match up favorably against our defensive front.
I was impressed by Baltimore’s run blocking yesterday. Aggressive, fast and tenacious.
I did about 2 minutes of research on O line rankings and they seem to be ranked in the middle of the pack. Per the above article, their best performance to that point was the last time they faced us.
One variable may be that they simply match up favorably against our defensive front.
Not 100% sure but i think their ranking is brought down a bit by their tackles. I thought i read some time ago they had the best interior o line in football. Im wondering now if on draft day enough teams opt for a qb and maybe and AL or Clemson DL falls to 10 or lower, if we dont trade up a few spots. That clemson kid who got busted for PED's, maybe that made him fall down the draft board....
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I'll take Wilkins over Lawrence.
Sound, 1 gap, early down plugger that can be had on the cheap - AND - not likely to have a higher probability of random shredding an ACL like Dexter.
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Ravens run offense is just dominate..complimented by a solid defense..
Our defense is an offseason away from being really good.
The potential needs in draft/FA have been discussed and I trust we will be in good shape by week 1 next year.
Ravens run offense is just dominate..complimented by a solid defense..
Our defense is an offseason away from being really good.
The potential needs in draft/FA have been discussed and I trust we will be in good shape by week 1 next year.
Look Cleve fan can bitch about our defense, but let's get real what the Ravens were doing in the run game of late. In the last seven games they topped 200 yards rushing in five of them, and the LOW was 159. It's wasn't just the Browns they were tearing up running the ball- it was everybody.
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