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  • Ravens run offense is just dominate..complimented by a solid defense..

    Our defense is an offseason away from being really good. 

    The potential needs in draft/FA have been discussed and I trust we will be in good shape by week 1 next year.

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Ravens run offense is just dominate..complimented by a solid defense..

    Our defense is an offseason away from being really good. 

    The potential needs in draft/FA have been discussed and I trust we will be in good shape by week 1 next year.

    Look Cleve fan can bitch about our defense, but let's get real what the Ravens were doing in the run game of late. In the last seven games they topped 200 yards rushing in five of them, and the LOW was 159.  It's wasn't just the Browns they were tearing up running the ball- it was everybody. 

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Ravens run offense is just dominate..complimented by a solid defense..

    Our defense is an offseason away from being really good. 

    The potential needs in draft/FA have been discussed and I trust we will be in good shape by week 1 next year.

    Look Cleve fan can bitch about our defense, but let's get real what the Ravens were doing in the run game of late. In the last seven games they topped 200 yards rushing in five of them, and the LOW was 159.  It's wasn't just the Browns they were tearing up running the ball- it was everybody. 

    @hoorta said:

    Look Cleve fan can bitch about our defense, but let's get real what the Ravens were doing in the run game of late. In the last seven games they topped 200 yards rushing in five of them, and the LOW was 159.  It's wasn't just the Browns they were tearing up running the ball- it was everybody. 

    Only an elite defense stacked with talent and experience is stopping that run game. It’s basixally unstoppable when Lamar is accurate as a passer, too

  • @hoorta said:

    Look Cleve fan can bitch about our defense, but let's get real what the Ravens were doing in the run game of late. In the last seven games they topped 200 yards rushing in five of them, and the LOW was 159.  It's wasn't just the Browns they were tearing up running the ball- it was everybody. 

    Only an elite defense stacked with talent and experience is stopping that run game. It’s basixally unstoppable when Lamar is accurate as a passer, too

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Only an elite defense stacked with talent and experience is stopping that run game. It’s basixally unstoppable when Lamar is accurate as a passer, too

    he is not that accurate he only completed 13 pass attempts out of 29 most of which as i remember were  dump off's to his tight end which got him yac yards 

    can't wait for the chargers to get a lead on that sorry piece of garbage and we will see how good of a qb he really is when he has to use his fricken arm to lead his team back

  • I find it funny there hasn't been mention of the Ravens being so good running the ball, at the potential expense of their 1st round QB.

    No fucking shit, when you create a +1 situation using your QB as a runner with frequency you're going to generate more yards and positive plays.   The key is time.  Lamar cannot and will not hold up with repeated carries and shots the way he has and it will only be worse in the playoffs.   Especially magnified given his build.   Vick, RG3, Tebow and now even Cam.    Newton is 6'5 260lbs.  The dude is a tank - but it finally caught up with him.       Lamar is NO where near the passer than RG3 and Cam were/are.   Honestly I really wouldn't consider him better than Tebow. And Vick was at least familiar with fundamental stuff including a lot of work under center.   So unless you see a 'light goes on' moment in the same mold that happened with Mahomes (keep in mind how often THAT actually happens) then yes, the Ravens run game thrashed us.    But the long term expense might be worth it.     Let them run Jackson 15 times a game.   I hope to Christ they make it to the Super Bowl and lose just so he takes repeated shots.    Because it takes a toll on everything - your mind, your body, your passing ability... all of it. 

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Only an elite defense stacked with talent and experience is stopping that run game. It’s basixally unstoppable when Lamar is accurate as a passer, too

    he is not that accurate he only completed 13 pass attempts out of 29 most of which as i remember were  dump off's to his tight end which got him yac yards 

    can't wait for the chargers to get a lead on that sorry piece of garbage and we will see how good of a qb he really is when he has to use his fricken arm to lead his team back

    @atom said:

    he is not that accurate he only completed 13 pass attempts out of 29 most of which as i remember were  dump off's to his tight end which got him yac yards 

    can't wait for the chargers to get a lead on that sorry piece of garbage and we will see how good of a qb he really is when he has to use his fricken arm to lead his team back

    The guy is a waterbug, extremely difficult to catch. 

    I'm pissed the Browns lost, but they gave it everything they had. Down 20-7, against that D, it was a great effort.

    As far as our scheme on D....Williams is/always will be a blitzer. It's high-risk, high reward. Plus,we really aren't speedy at the LB position (yet).

  • @hoorta said:

    Look Cleve fan can bitch about our defense, but let's get real what the Ravens were doing in the run game of late. In the last seven games they topped 200 yards rushing in five of them, and the LOW was 159.  It's wasn't just the Browns they were tearing up running the ball- it was everybody. 

    Only an elite defense stacked with talent and experience is stopping that run game. It’s basixally unstoppable when Lamar is accurate as a passer, too

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Only an elite defense stacked with talent and experience is stopping that run game. It’s basixally unstoppable when Lamar is accurate as a passer, too

    What makes that run game go is the gaps the interior lineman open up. Ofc lamar is still gonna get yds beating everyone to the edge, but if u plug those interior holes u "control" that run game...not completely stop it. Dont listen to these plethora of goofballs thst populate this board, go back and watch the game and see how easily those lineman got to our 2nd level.

    Its not all on our players either, frankly i think the defensive play calling for 3.5 quarters was atrocious.

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Only an elite defense stacked with talent and experience is stopping that run game. It’s basixally unstoppable when Lamar is accurate as a passer, too

    What makes that run game go is the gaps the interior lineman open up. Ofc lamar is still gonna get yds beating everyone to the edge, but if u plug those interior holes u "control" that run game...not completely stop it. Dont listen to these plethora of goofballs thst populate this board, go back and watch the game and see how easily those lineman got to our 2nd level.

    Its not all on our players either, frankly i think the defensive play calling for 3.5 quarters was atrocious.

    @clevfan4life said:

    What makes that run game go is the gaps the interior lineman open up. Ofc lamar is still gonna get yds beating everyone to the edge, but if u plug those interior holes u "control" that run game...not completely stop it. Dont listen to these plethora of goofballs thst populate this board, go back and watch the game and see how easily those lineman got to our 2nd level.

    Its not all on our players either, frankly i think the defensive play calling for 3.5 quarters was atrocious.

    3,5 is right atleast that was when i noticed are D line shifting from side to side to get them a punting situation 

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Only an elite defense stacked with talent and experience is stopping that run game. It’s basixally unstoppable when Lamar is accurate as a passer, too

    What makes that run game go is the gaps the interior lineman open up. Ofc lamar is still gonna get yds beating everyone to the edge, but if u plug those interior holes u "control" that run game...not completely stop it. Dont listen to these plethora of goofballs thst populate this board, go back and watch the game and see how easily those lineman got to our 2nd level.

    Its not all on our players either, frankly i think the defensive play calling for 3.5 quarters was atrocious.

    @clevfan4life said:

    What makes that run game go is the gaps the interior lineman open up. Ofc lamar is still gonna get yds beating everyone to the edge, but if u plug those interior holes u "control" that run game...not completely stop it. Dont listen to these plethora of goofballs thst populate this board, go back and watch the game and see how easily those lineman got to our 2nd level.

    Its not all on our players either, frankly i think the defensive play calling for 3.5 quarters was atrocious.

    Generally when you leave an unblocked defender you'll see a lineman immediately at the second level.

    No? Not really something you considered?

  • @clevfan4life said:

    What makes that run game go is the gaps the interior lineman open up. Ofc lamar is still gonna get yds beating everyone to the edge, but if u plug those interior holes u "control" that run game...not completely stop it. Dont listen to these plethora of goofballs thst populate this board, go back and watch the game and see how easily those lineman got to our 2nd level.

    Its not all on our players either, frankly i think the defensive play calling for 3.5 quarters was atrocious.

    3,5 is right atleast that was when i noticed are D line shifting from side to side to get them a punting situation 

    @atom said:

    3,5 is right atleast that was when i noticed are D line shifting from side to side to get them a punting situation 

    So at least one person noticed what happened when our front 4 all put their hands down and lined up helmet to helmet like the great skywizard intended. Not like romo didnt "immediately" point the shift or anything....

  • @clevfan4life said:

    What makes that run game go is the gaps the interior lineman open up. Ofc lamar is still gonna get yds beating everyone to the edge, but if u plug those interior holes u "control" that run game...not completely stop it. Dont listen to these plethora of goofballs thst populate this board, go back and watch the game and see how easily those lineman got to our 2nd level.

    Its not all on our players either, frankly i think the defensive play calling for 3.5 quarters was atrocious.

    Generally when you leave an unblocked defender you'll see a lineman immediately at the second level.

    No? Not really something you considered?

    @tiamat63 said:

    Generally when you leave an unblocked defender you'll see a lineman immediately at the second level.

    No? Not really something you considered?

    I dont know why u keep quoting me and then writing some words with a question mark after them....its weird.

  • @atom said:

    3,5 is right atleast that was when i noticed are D line shifting from side to side to get them a punting situation 

    So at least one person noticed what happened when our front 4 all put their hands down and lined up helmet to helmet like the great skywizard intended. Not like romo didnt "immediately" point the shift or anything....

    @clevfan4life said:

    So at least one person noticed what happened when our front 4 all put their hands down and lined up helmet to helmet like the great skywizard intended. Not like romo didnt "immediately" point the shift or anything....

    i was still so damn hungover and me yelling at the t,v didnt help much romo was there ? I thought he retired 

  • I think by next year they’ll be able to stop that run game better than what we saw yesterday.. 

    Matt Millers first mock has us taking a corner..Deandre Baker from Georgia..

  • @clevfan4life said:

    So at least one person noticed what happened when our front 4 all put their hands down and lined up helmet to helmet like the great skywizard intended. Not like romo didnt "immediately" point the shift or anything....

    i was still so damn hungover and me yelling at the t,v didnt help much romo was there ? I thought he retired 

    @atom said:

    i was still so damn hungover and me yelling at the t,v didnt help much romo was there ? I thought he retired 

    Romo was one of the announcers dude.....wow u really were hungover lmfao. Yeah the guy that sounded lije he kbew what the fuk was going on down ob that field....that was romo

  • @atom said:

    i was still so damn hungover and me yelling at the t,v didnt help much romo was there ? I thought he retired 

    Romo was one of the announcers dude.....wow u really were hungover lmfao. Yeah the guy that sounded lije he kbew what the fuk was going on down ob that field....that was romo

    @clevfan4life said:

    Romo was one of the announcers dude.....wow u really were hungover lmfao. Yeah the guy that sounded lije he kbew what the fuk was going on down ob that field....that was romo

    ah fuck romo yup saturday night into sunday morning was for us are friends coming over that had family plans before  I out did my self ofcourse  anyway it still makes you wonder why the ajustment took so long

  • I think by next year they’ll be able to stop that run game better than what we saw yesterday.. 

    Matt Millers first mock has us taking a corner..Deandre Baker from Georgia..

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    I think by next year they’ll be able to stop that run game better than what we saw yesterday.. 

    Matt Millers first mock has us taking a corner..Deandre Baker from Georgia..

    Jobi needs a big brother in there with him. U see they have raekwon davis still on the board when we pick? So mot sure about taking another corner in the 1dt again. That DL needs help. I know i wanted tp trade down but if davis is there,  fuck that. I know he's a DT/DE but at 6'7 well over 300lbs and reportedly would "right now" be among the strongest dudes in the NFL.....u take that. He can play all over the line

  • @atom said:

    i was still so damn hungover and me yelling at the t,v didnt help much romo was there ? I thought he retired 

    Romo was one of the announcers dude.....wow u really were hungover lmfao. Yeah the guy that sounded lije he kbew what the fuk was going on down ob that field....that was romo

    @clevfan4life said:

    Romo was one of the announcers dude.....wow u really were hungover lmfao. Yeah the guy that sounded lije he kbew what the fuk was going on down ob that field....that was romo

    I just really do not think that Romo is very good.  I know a lot of people disagree....but so what.  I also think that Witten is pretty uninspiring. Joe Thomas would have been 100 times better.    I don't know why these networks thought that washed up Cowboy players made good announcers.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Romo was one of the announcers dude.....wow u really were hungover lmfao. Yeah the guy that sounded lije he kbew what the fuk was going on down ob that field....that was romo

    ah fuck romo yup saturday night into sunday morning was for us are friends coming over that had family plans before  I out did my self ofcourse  anyway it still makes you wonder why the ajustment took so long

    @atom said:

    ah fuck romo yup saturday night into sunday morning was for us are friends coming over that had family plans before  I out did my self ofcourse  anyway it still makes you wonder why the ajustment took so long

    I think they expected baker to score more points so they were in containment mode. Maybe williams didnt want to get his DL dinged up on the last meaningless game if the season.

    I know ive brought it up before, but watching our 270lb edge rushing freak stand up a drive block by blt's LT and LG......i mean srsly? Id give myles the side of a building showing him holding off those two.......fuck that egyptian statue lookin mother fucker where lebron used to be

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Romo was one of the announcers dude.....wow u really were hungover lmfao. Yeah the guy that sounded lije he kbew what the fuk was going on down ob that field....that was romo

    I just really do not think that Romo is very good.  I know a lot of people disagree....but so what.  I also think that Witten is pretty uninspiring. Joe Thomas would have been 100 times better.    I don't know why these networks thought that washed up Cowboy players made good announcers.

    @the-gipper said:

    I just really do not think that Romo is very good.  I know a lot of people disagree....but so what.  I also think that Witten is pretty uninspiring. Joe Thomas would have been 100 times better.    I don't know why these networks thought that washed up Cowboy players made good announcers.

    Oh i agree on whitten, he's terrible. But i do like tony. 

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    I think by next year they’ll be able to stop that run game better than what we saw yesterday.. 

    Matt Millers first mock has us taking a corner..Deandre Baker from Georgia..

    Jobi needs a big brother in there with him. U see they have raekwon davis still on the board when we pick? So mot sure about taking another corner in the 1dt again. That DL needs help. I know i wanted tp trade down but if davis is there,  fuck that. I know he's a DT/DE but at 6'7 well over 300lbs and reportedly would "right now" be among the strongest dudes in the NFL.....u take that. He can play all over the line

    @clevfan4life said:

    Jobi needs a big brother in there with him. U see they have raekwon davis still on the board when we pick? So mot sure about taking another corner in the 1dt again. That DL needs help. 

    Yea they have him going at 19 to Tennessee 

    “That seems to point to a best-player-available approach, which is why defensive lineman Raekwon Davis fits the bill in Round 1.

    Davis, a 6'7" and 306-pound defensive end in the Alabama base 3-4 defense, fits both a three- and four-man front thanks to his size and his athleticism. Davis is also a finished product coming out of the Alabama defense, and that's something both Vrabel and Robinson seemed to value in their first draft together.

    With no wide receiver worth drafting here and the team trying to build up a fierce defense, Davis is a great addition. “ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2812782-2019-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-post-regular-season-predictions?share=other#slide19

    Interesting: Dwayne Haskins as number 1 QB to Giants at 6...

  • I still think they should try to trade Collins - preferably by fleecing Mayock - to get more round 1/2 help for the D.  But it should be clear our need is front7 and perhaps a 2nd-round CB as well.