Mike McCarthy Approached
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Quick question dude, why’s it named the Lombardi trophy?
Follow-up question was the AFL championship trophy named the Lombardi trophy?
Also it wasn't officially named the Lombardi trophy until Super Bowl 5 and they named that because Lombardi won the first two Super Bowls.
Follow-up question was the AFL championship trophy named the Lombardi trophy?
Also it wasn't officially named the Lombardi trophy until Super Bowl 5 and they named that because Lombardi won the first two Super Bowls.
Again, you still sound completely confused or ignorant of what constitutes the AFL and the NFL.
Technically, there were only SIX stand alone AFL championship games/winners: 1960/61 Houston Oilers 1962 Dallas Texans , 1963 San Diego Chargers, 1964/65 Buffalo Bills.
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Because we are awarded super bowl championships now.
A Super Bowl is just another championship....just a marketing name...nothing more.
Coaches are now judged on super bowl championships
Only because most of the pre Super Bowl winning coaches are dead.
like for instance on the list of multiple super bowl victories ewbank is not on there
Again...just a marketing/media creation....not having any substance other than being something for simple minds. Weeb Ewbanks titles won as HC of the Colts does not disappear from history simply because simple minded people exist.
and most importantly my fucking question was how many coaches have coached a team to a "super bowl win" and then went to coach a different team to another one.
Who says I am obligated to comply with your criteria. Again...you are not going to take away the fact that Weeb Ewbank is the only guy to win championships with two different teams.
In your little trivia threads if you ask a question and i answer it with outside of the specs of the question because of how I interpret things it doesn't make it right.
Fine...and I gave you the answer within your specs.... I said, Parcells, Holmgren. but then I supplemented the answer with the full facts/truth.
It's not even called the same league man. AFL and NFL.
Uhm, it has been called the NFL since 1922.
Which in one of my posts it says first "NFL" coaching gig. Be like you asking what coach has won the most AFL championships and I say Bill Belichick's won 5. The answer to my question is still is 0 regardless of what your old curmudgeon ass wants it to be. Whether you like it or not they are separate categories. AFL championships and Super Bowl World (NFL) Championships.
Don't know what fucking planet you live on....or perhaps it is just your ignorance of history. The NFL has been around since 1920...and has been named the NFL since 1922.
The AFL...started in 1960....and merged with the NFL in 1970....and the league still was named the NFL. Do you seriously not know this?
If my question were who is the only coach to coach both in AFL and NFL championship team then WEEB Ewbank would a viable (and correct answer).
You are either completely confusing yourself....or...you really, really do NOT know the history. So I will give you the actual facts:
A. NFL formed 1920 in the Huppmobile dealership in Canton, Ohio. Called first the APFA.... American Professional Football Association. In 1922 changed name to National Football League. NFL Championship games did not start being played officially until 1933.
B. 1946-1949 NFL was not the only league....the AAFC, including the Cleveland Browns began play. AAFC and NFL play separate title games.
C. 1950 NFL and AAFC merge.....Browns/49ers/Colts added from AAFC to NFL. Browns win NFL titles.
D. 1960...an other league, the American Football League begins play. NFL and AFL play separate Championship games.
E. 1966 NFL and AFL agree to a merger and agree to play a single Championship game between them starting in 1966 called the NFL-AFL Championship game.
F. The NFL-AFL championship game is held for 4 years: 1966 (Packers vs. Chiefs) 1967 (Packers vs. Raiders) 1968 (Jets vs. Colts) 1969 (Chiefs vs. Vikings.)
G. 1970 Full merger is completed between the two leagues. Browns/Steelers/Colts switch from being NFL teams to being AFC teams. (new alignment has conferences: NFC and AFC). The Championship game between the now 2 "conferences" is given the name Super Bowl...named by Lamar Hunt after a toy his children played with (Super Ball). First actual "Super Bowl" game as it was called was between the Colts and the Dallas Cowboys. The 4 NFL-AFL Championship games were then retroactively also give the name "Super Bowls".
And just to complete the accurate story: Weeb Ewbank coached the Baltimore Colts to NFL Championship game wins in 1958 and 1959. He later coached the New York Jets to victory in an NFL-AFL Championship game over those Colts in 1968.
IF by chance you want to ask...is there a coach who won an AFL championship game...and an NFL Championship game....technically, the answer is: no one. Ewbank won NFL championship games..and an NFL-AFL championship game.
No coach ever won an AFL championship game, circa 1960-1965...AND an NFL Championship game..(circa 1933-1965)
But. Hank Stram WON an AFL title in 1962 and did lose one NFL-AFL championship game....in 1966, and won an NFL-AFL title in 1969.
Now you can consider yourself educated.
Gip all that is fine and dandy my question was who was the only coach to win a Superbowl and then lead a team to another win and not answer is still 0 you can try and act all high and mighty but it doesn't fucking matter. The odds of us hiring a super bowl-winning coach and then that coach win another Superbowl with our team is significantly lower then hiring a retread that hasn't won a Superbowl or a first-time NFL head coach based on the history of "super bowl-winning" coaches which has been my point the entire time. Whether you agree or disagree with basing odds off of what has happened in the past that's on you I tend to use historical data to try and predict the best chances of hiring a super bowl-winning coach.
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Ole Vince would probably have punched you in the nose for even asking that one.
I edited my previous post. It wasn't officially named Lombardi trophy until after Super Bowl 5. And they named it that do to Lombardi Winning the first two Super Bowls. It was originally named the World Championship Game Trophy. The reason I asked that question is because it clearly wasn't called the Lombardi trophy because they are not the same championship. I assumed you were asking me that thinking that was named after Vince Lombardi's perceived AFL success therefore meaning they're the same thing? If I am wrong in that I apologize that would be me putting words in your mouth much like nickers did mine.
I edited my previous post. It wasn't officially named Lombardi trophy until after Super Bowl 5. And they named it that do to Lombardi Winning the first two Super Bowls. It was originally named the World Championship Game Trophy. The reason I asked that question is because it clearly wasn't called the Lombardi trophy because they are not the same championship. I assumed you were asking me that thinking that was named after Vince Lombardi's perceived AFL success therefore meaning they're the same thing? If I am wrong in that I apologize that would be me putting words in your mouth much like nickers did mine.
You are wrong about this fact: Vince Lombardi never coached in the AFL.
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I edited my previous post. It wasn't officially named Lombardi trophy until after Super Bowl 5. And they named it that do to Lombardi Winning the first two Super Bowls. It was originally named the World Championship Game Trophy. The reason I asked that question is because it clearly wasn't called the Lombardi trophy because they are not the same championship. I assumed you were asking me that thinking that was named after Vince Lombardi's perceived AFL success therefore meaning they're the same thing? If I am wrong in that I apologize that would be me putting words in your mouth much like nickers did mine.
You are wrong about this fact: Vince Lombardi never coached in the AFL.
You are wrong about this fact: Vince Lombardi never coached in the AFL.
Why I put "perceived success" after edit because I was assuming he was talking about some success Lombardi had in the AFL that he thought he had but it wasn't clear
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Gip all that is fine and dandy my question was who was the only coach to win a Superbowl and then lead a team to another win and not answer is still 0 you can try and act all high and mighty but it doesn't fucking matter. The odds of us hiring a super bowl-winning coach and then that coach win another Superbowl with our team is significantly lower then hiring a retread that hasn't won a Superbowl or a first-time NFL head coach based on the history of "super bowl-winning" coaches which has been my point the entire time. Whether you agree or disagree with basing odds off of what has happened in the past that's on you I tend to use historical data to try and predict the best chances of hiring a super bowl-winning coach.
Get all that is fine and dandy my question was who was the only coach to win a Superbowl and then lead a team to another win and not answer is still 0 you can try and act all high and mighty but it doesn't fucking matter.
Well, I answer your question right at the outset. And then I educated you further to the facts.
And, I guess I further educated you on what the hell was the AFL vs. the NFL.
I mean...if that does not matter to you....I suggest you discontinue watching the sport of football.
The odds of us hiring a super bowl-winning coach and then that coach win another Superbowl with our team is significantly lower then hiring a retread that hasn't won a Superbowl or a first-time NFL head coach based on the history of "super bowl-winning" coaches which has been my point the entire time. Whether you agree or disagree with basing odds off of what has happened in the past that's on you I tend to use historical data to try and predict the best chances of hiring a super bowl-winning coach.
That is a whole different matter. While no coach has ever won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams (circa 1966 to present), that doesn't mean it could not be done. Guys like Parcells and Holmgren came close A few other guys lost a Super Bowl with one team then won won with another: Vermeil, A few guys lost SBs with 2 teams without winning...at least 2: Reeves/Fox.
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You are wrong about this fact: Vince Lombardi never coached in the AFL.
Why I put "perceived success" after edit because I was assuming he was talking about some success Lombardi had in the AFL that he thought he had but it wasn't clear
Why I put "perceived success" after edit because I was assuming he was talking about some success Lombardi had in the AFL that he thought he had but it wasn't clear
Well...I perceived that it was you who thought that the NFL didn't exist until 1970.
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it should be called The Paul Brown Trophy
Paul Brown was arguably the father of modern football.
But Vince Lombardi was a better head coach.
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Paul Brown was arguably the father of modern football.
But Vince Lombardi was a better head coach.
Well...that is clearly debatable.
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Paul Brown was arguably the father of modern football.
But Vince Lombardi was a better head coach.
Well...that is clearly debatable.
Well...that is clearly debatable.
Paul Brown was IMO a way more influential head coach. I don't think its comparable - Paul Brown progressed the game of football far more than Vince Lombardi. I believe his coaching tree is far more impressive too.
But if my life relied on the outcome of one football game, I have Vince Lombardi as my head coach, without even a thought.
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Well...that is clearly debatable.
Paul Brown was IMO a way more influential head coach. I don't think its comparable - Paul Brown progressed the game of football far more than Vince Lombardi. I believe his coaching tree is far more impressive too.
But if my life relied on the outcome of one football game, I have Vince Lombardi as my head coach, without even a thought.
Paul Brown was IMO a way more influential head coach. I don't think its comparable - Paul Brown progressed the game of football far more than Vince Lombardi. I believe his coaching tree is far more impressive too.
But if my life relied on the outcome of one football game, I have Vince Lombardi as my head coach, without even a thought.
That is clearly debatable.
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Vince Lombardi basically ran 5 plays.. up the middle.. Power right.. Power Left.. and a couple of short passes.. I'll take PB...
Vince Lombardi basically ran 5 plays.. up the middle.. Power right.. Power Left.. and a couple of short passes.. I'll take PB...
Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games)
Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years.
Paul Brown is a homer pick.
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Vince Lombardi basically ran 5 plays.. up the middle.. Power right.. Power Left.. and a couple of short passes.. I'll take PB...
Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games)
Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years.
Paul Brown is a homer pick.
Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games)
Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years.
Paul Brown is a homer pick.
..Lombardi only won 2 titles.. NOT 5!!!
Paul Brown has 7!!
Dems da facts!
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Vince Lombardi won the Super Bowl 2 times, in 1967 and 1968.
Game Year Team Super Bowl II 1968 Green Bay Packers Super Bowl I 1967 Green Bay Packers
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games)
Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years.
Paul Brown is a homer pick.
..Lombardi only won 2 titles.. NOT 5!!!
Paul Brown has 7!!
Dems da facts!
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Vince Lombardi won the Super Bowl 2 times, in 1967 and 1968.
Game Year Team Super Bowl II 1968 Green Bay Packers Super Bowl I 1967 Green Bay Packers
..Lombardi only won 2 titles.. NOT 5!!!
Paul Brown has 7!!
Dems da facts!
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Vince Lombardi won the Super Bowl 2 times, in 1967 and 1968.
Game Year Team Super Bowl II 1968 Green Bay Packers Super Bowl I 1967 Green Bay Packers
Seriously?
If only so called Super Bowls counted then you would pick Belichick.
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Well...I perceived that it was you who thought that the NFL didn't exist until 1970.
Go ahead and keep twisting my words Gip. You didn't answer my question at the outset my question at the outset was how many coaches have won a Superbowl and then lead a different team to another win. I left off when but when I said another I was referring to another win not another Super Bowl. So Mike Holmgren is still not correct.
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What was the question again? In English please.
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Well...I perceived that it was you who thought that the NFL didn't exist until 1970.
Go ahead and keep twisting my words Gip. You didn't answer my question at the outset my question at the outset was how many coaches have won a Superbowl and then lead a different team to another win. I left off when but when I said another I was referring to another win not another Super Bowl. So Mike Holmgren is still not correct.
Go ahead and keep twisting my words Gip. You didn't answer my question at the outset my question at the outset was how many coaches have won a Superbowl and then lead a different team to another win. I left off when but when I said another I was referring to another win not another Super Bowl. So Mike Holmgren is still not correct.
A. I didn't twist your words, I simply repeated them. You said essentially that the NFL did not start until 1970, and that the entity all the time prior to that was the AFL. Your words. If you wish to say.."look, my mind was muddled and I got confused and got that wrong" then that is OK. Just admit that is what happened.
B. Now, you are changing the question you asked. You asked "what coach that won a Superbowl then took another team to a Super Bowl. And the answer given were Holmgren and Parcells". Now you want to change the question? And as I have said like 10 times now....the only coach to win a title with one team and then win with another has been Weeb Ewbanks. No matter what you want to call a championship.....AFL Championship, NFL Championship, NFL-AFL Championship, Super Bowl, it don't matter....the answers still remain the same no matter how many different ways you ask it.
So, let me, again....give you the facts:
A. Has any HC won Championships with 2 teams? Answer: yes: Weeb Ewbank
B. Has any HC won those Championship designated with the marketing name "Super Bowl" with 2 different teams? Answer: No.
C. Has any HC won a Super Bowl title with one team, then lost it with another? Yes, both Holmgren and Parcells have done that.
D. Has any HC lost a Super Bowl with one team then gone on to win a Super Bowl with another: Answer: Yes. Dick Vermeil
E. Has any coach lost Super Bowls with more than one team without having ever won a Super Bowl? Answer: Yes; Dan Reeves lost with both the Broncos and the Falcons. John Fox lost with both the Panthers and the Broncos.
F. Have coaches with the same last name ever won a Super Bowl and lost a Super Bowl. Yes....guys with the name Harbaugh. Brother John beat brother Jim.
Now that I have answered just about all the questions you could think to ask on this subject....and have given you the history of the NFL with its various mergers with other leagues and the championship game history....perhaps you can move on to something else?
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What was the question again? In English please.
What was the question again? In English please.
Something about swallows, African or European, and their capacity for flight carrying a coconut.
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What was the question again? In English please.
Something about swallows, African or European, and their capacity for flight carrying a coconut.
Something about swallows, African or European, and their capacity for flight carrying a coconut.
A southern Pacific coconut or a south Atlantic coconut?
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