Mike McCarthy Approached
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I edited my previous post. It wasn't officially named Lombardi trophy until after Super Bowl 5. And they named it that do to Lombardi Winning the first two Super Bowls. It was originally named the World Championship Game Trophy. The reason I asked that question is because it clearly wasn't called the Lombardi trophy because they are not the same championship. I assumed you were asking me that thinking that was named after Vince Lombardi's perceived AFL success therefore meaning they're the same thing? If I am wrong in that I apologize that would be me putting words in your mouth much like nickers did mine.
You are wrong about this fact: Vince Lombardi never coached in the AFL.
You are wrong about this fact: Vince Lombardi never coached in the AFL.
Why I put "perceived success" after edit because I was assuming he was talking about some success Lombardi had in the AFL that he thought he had but it wasn't clear
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Gip all that is fine and dandy my question was who was the only coach to win a Superbowl and then lead a team to another win and not answer is still 0 you can try and act all high and mighty but it doesn't fucking matter. The odds of us hiring a super bowl-winning coach and then that coach win another Superbowl with our team is significantly lower then hiring a retread that hasn't won a Superbowl or a first-time NFL head coach based on the history of "super bowl-winning" coaches which has been my point the entire time. Whether you agree or disagree with basing odds off of what has happened in the past that's on you I tend to use historical data to try and predict the best chances of hiring a super bowl-winning coach.
Get all that is fine and dandy my question was who was the only coach to win a Superbowl and then lead a team to another win and not answer is still 0 you can try and act all high and mighty but it doesn't fucking matter.
Well, I answer your question right at the outset. And then I educated you further to the facts.
And, I guess I further educated you on what the hell was the AFL vs. the NFL.
I mean...if that does not matter to you....I suggest you discontinue watching the sport of football.
The odds of us hiring a super bowl-winning coach and then that coach win another Superbowl with our team is significantly lower then hiring a retread that hasn't won a Superbowl or a first-time NFL head coach based on the history of "super bowl-winning" coaches which has been my point the entire time. Whether you agree or disagree with basing odds off of what has happened in the past that's on you I tend to use historical data to try and predict the best chances of hiring a super bowl-winning coach.
That is a whole different matter. While no coach has ever won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams (circa 1966 to present), that doesn't mean it could not be done. Guys like Parcells and Holmgren came close A few other guys lost a Super Bowl with one team then won won with another: Vermeil, A few guys lost SBs with 2 teams without winning...at least 2: Reeves/Fox.
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You are wrong about this fact: Vince Lombardi never coached in the AFL.
Why I put "perceived success" after edit because I was assuming he was talking about some success Lombardi had in the AFL that he thought he had but it wasn't clear
Why I put "perceived success" after edit because I was assuming he was talking about some success Lombardi had in the AFL that he thought he had but it wasn't clear
Well...I perceived that it was you who thought that the NFL didn't exist until 1970.
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it should be called The Paul Brown Trophy
Paul Brown was arguably the father of modern football.
But Vince Lombardi was a better head coach.
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Paul Brown was arguably the father of modern football.
But Vince Lombardi was a better head coach.
Well...that is clearly debatable.
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Paul Brown was arguably the father of modern football.
But Vince Lombardi was a better head coach.
Well...that is clearly debatable.
Well...that is clearly debatable.
Paul Brown was IMO a way more influential head coach. I don't think its comparable - Paul Brown progressed the game of football far more than Vince Lombardi. I believe his coaching tree is far more impressive too.
But if my life relied on the outcome of one football game, I have Vince Lombardi as my head coach, without even a thought.
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Well...that is clearly debatable.
Paul Brown was IMO a way more influential head coach. I don't think its comparable - Paul Brown progressed the game of football far more than Vince Lombardi. I believe his coaching tree is far more impressive too.
But if my life relied on the outcome of one football game, I have Vince Lombardi as my head coach, without even a thought.
Paul Brown was IMO a way more influential head coach. I don't think its comparable - Paul Brown progressed the game of football far more than Vince Lombardi. I believe his coaching tree is far more impressive too.
But if my life relied on the outcome of one football game, I have Vince Lombardi as my head coach, without even a thought.
That is clearly debatable.
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Vince Lombardi basically ran 5 plays.. up the middle.. Power right.. Power Left.. and a couple of short passes.. I'll take PB...
Vince Lombardi basically ran 5 plays.. up the middle.. Power right.. Power Left.. and a couple of short passes.. I'll take PB...
Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games)
Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years.
Paul Brown is a homer pick.
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Vince Lombardi basically ran 5 plays.. up the middle.. Power right.. Power Left.. and a couple of short passes.. I'll take PB...
Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games)
Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years.
Paul Brown is a homer pick.
Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games)
Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years.
Paul Brown is a homer pick.
..Lombardi only won 2 titles.. NOT 5!!!
Paul Brown has 7!!
Dems da facts!
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Vince Lombardi won the Super Bowl 2 times, in 1967 and 1968.
Game Year Team Super Bowl II 1968 Green Bay Packers Super Bowl I 1967 Green Bay Packers
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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Paul Brown went 3-4 in NFL Title Games. (4-0 AAFC Title Games)
Vince Lombardi went 5-1. Lost the first Title Game 17-13 with a young Packers team, then won NFL titles in 5 of the next 7 years.
Paul Brown is a homer pick.
..Lombardi only won 2 titles.. NOT 5!!!
Paul Brown has 7!!
Dems da facts!
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Vince Lombardi won the Super Bowl 2 times, in 1967 and 1968.
Game Year Team Super Bowl II 1968 Green Bay Packers Super Bowl I 1967 Green Bay Packers
..Lombardi only won 2 titles.. NOT 5!!!
Paul Brown has 7!!
Dems da facts!
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Vince Lombardi won the Super Bowl 2 times, in 1967 and 1968.
Game Year Team Super Bowl II 1968 Green Bay Packers Super Bowl I 1967 Green Bay Packers
Seriously?
If only so called Super Bowls counted then you would pick Belichick.
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Well...I perceived that it was you who thought that the NFL didn't exist until 1970.
Go ahead and keep twisting my words Gip. You didn't answer my question at the outset my question at the outset was how many coaches have won a Superbowl and then lead a different team to another win. I left off when but when I said another I was referring to another win not another Super Bowl. So Mike Holmgren is still not correct.
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What was the question again? In English please.
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Well...I perceived that it was you who thought that the NFL didn't exist until 1970.
Go ahead and keep twisting my words Gip. You didn't answer my question at the outset my question at the outset was how many coaches have won a Superbowl and then lead a different team to another win. I left off when but when I said another I was referring to another win not another Super Bowl. So Mike Holmgren is still not correct.
Go ahead and keep twisting my words Gip. You didn't answer my question at the outset my question at the outset was how many coaches have won a Superbowl and then lead a different team to another win. I left off when but when I said another I was referring to another win not another Super Bowl. So Mike Holmgren is still not correct.
A. I didn't twist your words, I simply repeated them. You said essentially that the NFL did not start until 1970, and that the entity all the time prior to that was the AFL. Your words. If you wish to say.."look, my mind was muddled and I got confused and got that wrong" then that is OK. Just admit that is what happened.
B. Now, you are changing the question you asked. You asked "what coach that won a Superbowl then took another team to a Super Bowl. And the answer given were Holmgren and Parcells". Now you want to change the question? And as I have said like 10 times now....the only coach to win a title with one team and then win with another has been Weeb Ewbanks. No matter what you want to call a championship.....AFL Championship, NFL Championship, NFL-AFL Championship, Super Bowl, it don't matter....the answers still remain the same no matter how many different ways you ask it.
So, let me, again....give you the facts:
A. Has any HC won Championships with 2 teams? Answer: yes: Weeb Ewbank
B. Has any HC won those Championship designated with the marketing name "Super Bowl" with 2 different teams? Answer: No.
C. Has any HC won a Super Bowl title with one team, then lost it with another? Yes, both Holmgren and Parcells have done that.
D. Has any HC lost a Super Bowl with one team then gone on to win a Super Bowl with another: Answer: Yes. Dick Vermeil
E. Has any coach lost Super Bowls with more than one team without having ever won a Super Bowl? Answer: Yes; Dan Reeves lost with both the Broncos and the Falcons. John Fox lost with both the Panthers and the Broncos.
F. Have coaches with the same last name ever won a Super Bowl and lost a Super Bowl. Yes....guys with the name Harbaugh. Brother John beat brother Jim.
Now that I have answered just about all the questions you could think to ask on this subject....and have given you the history of the NFL with its various mergers with other leagues and the championship game history....perhaps you can move on to something else?
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What was the question again? In English please.
What was the question again? In English please.
Something about swallows, African or European, and their capacity for flight carrying a coconut.
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What was the question again? In English please.
Something about swallows, African or European, and their capacity for flight carrying a coconut.
Something about swallows, African or European, and their capacity for flight carrying a coconut.
A southern Pacific coconut or a south Atlantic coconut?
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Go ahead and keep twisting my words Gip. You didn't answer my question at the outset my question at the outset was how many coaches have won a Superbowl and then lead a different team to another win. I left off when but when I said another I was referring to another win not another Super Bowl. So Mike Holmgren is still not correct.
A. I didn't twist your words, I simply repeated them. You said essentially that the NFL did not start until 1970, and that the entity all the time prior to that was the AFL. Your words. If you wish to say.."look, my mind was muddled and I got confused and got that wrong" then that is OK. Just admit that is what happened.
B. Now, you are changing the question you asked. You asked "what coach that won a Superbowl then took another team to a Super Bowl. And the answer given were Holmgren and Parcells". Now you want to change the question? And as I have said like 10 times now....the only coach to win a title with one team and then win with another has been Weeb Ewbanks. No matter what you want to call a championship.....AFL Championship, NFL Championship, NFL-AFL Championship, Super Bowl, it don't matter....the answers still remain the same no matter how many different ways you ask it.
So, let me, again....give you the facts:
A. Has any HC won Championships with 2 teams? Answer: yes: Weeb Ewbank
B. Has any HC won those Championship designated with the marketing name "Super Bowl" with 2 different teams? Answer: No.
C. Has any HC won a Super Bowl title with one team, then lost it with another? Yes, both Holmgren and Parcells have done that.
D. Has any HC lost a Super Bowl with one team then gone on to win a Super Bowl with another: Answer: Yes. Dick Vermeil
E. Has any coach lost Super Bowls with more than one team without having ever won a Super Bowl? Answer: Yes; Dan Reeves lost with both the Broncos and the Falcons. John Fox lost with both the Panthers and the Broncos.
F. Have coaches with the same last name ever won a Super Bowl and lost a Super Bowl. Yes....guys with the name Harbaugh. Brother John beat brother Jim.
Now that I have answered just about all the questions you could think to ask on this subject....and have given you the history of the NFL with its various mergers with other leagues and the championship game history....perhaps you can move on to something else?
A. I didn't twist your words, I simply repeated them. You said essentially that the NFL did not start until 1970, and that the entity all the time prior to that was the AFL. Your words. If you wish to say.."look, my mind was muddled and I got confused and got that wrong" then that is OK. Just admit that is what happened.
B. Now, you are changing the question you asked. You asked "what coach that won a Superbowl then took another team to a Super Bowl. And the answer given were Holmgren and Parcells". Now you want to change the question? And as I have said like 10 times now....the only coach to win a title with one team and then win with another has been Weeb Ewbanks. No matter what you want to call a championship.....AFL Championship, NFL Championship, NFL-AFL Championship, Super Bowl, it don't matter....the answers still remain the same no matter how many different ways you ask it.
So, let me, again....give you the facts:
A. Has any HC won Championships with 2 teams? Answer: yes: Weeb Ewbank
B. Has any HC won those Championship designated with the marketing name "Super Bowl" with 2 different teams? Answer: No.
C. Has any HC won a Super Bowl title with one team, then lost it with another? Yes, both Holmgren and Parcells have done that.
D. Has any HC lost a Super Bowl with one team then gone on to win a Super Bowl with another: Answer: Yes. Dick Vermeil
E. Has any coach lost Super Bowls with more than one team without having ever won a Super Bowl? Answer: Yes; Dan Reeves lost with both the Broncos and the Falcons. John Fox lost with both the Panthers and the Broncos.
F. Have coaches with the same last name ever won a Super Bowl and lost a Super Bowl. Yes....guys with the name Harbaugh. Brother John beat brother Jim.
Now that I have answered just about all the questions you could think to ask on this subject....and have given you the history of the NFL with its various mergers with other leagues and the championship game history....perhaps you can move on to something else?
You still didnt answer the original question. No I didn't change the question i asked you misinterpreted the question i asked if you look at my posts before you ever commented it is clear when I simply said another I was asking about another win not another appearance.
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How many coaches in the past 50 years were first-time NFL head coaches who never brought a team to a Super Bowl?
I don't know the answer to that but I do know it's more than the answer to my question which is 0. No coach has won a Superbowl with the team and then led another team to a Super Bowl championship. Which the comment I replied to said sure I don't want a super bowl-winning coach. Well I don't because it's been proven so far that they won't win another Superbowl with a different team. Like I said I don't know the answer to your question but if your question is how many Super Bowls have not been won by a coach that have only one them in one place the answer is 50. I'm not against "retreads". I'm against super bowl-winning retreads.
But off the top of my head Doug Pederson Sean Payton John Harbaugh Mike Tomlin. That's four more than the answer to mine.
Edit I misread your question as first-time head coaches that did win a Super Bowl because that is actually trackable without spending hours on it.
I don't know the answer to that but I do know it's more than the answer to my question which is 0. No coach has won a Superbowl with the team and then let another team to a Super Bowl championship.
like this one posted 3 hours and 3 minutes before your first answer of Mike Holmgren and sandwiched in between the two of my posts you chose to quote to respond to
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