Jarvis Landry headed to pro bowl
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What I see there is a guy that is in the Top Ten in the league in that category. That is how. And, to me, if a guy is targeted and catches fewer of the passes thrown his way, it says to me: QB accuracy issues.
He’s nearly bottom in every category of those targeted most often. You can even extend it to the top 20 and 30 targeted and he is close to it bottom in all other categories.
I know our fans are desperate to win and change the culture but they’re a bit blind with this guy. He just isn’t very good.
He’s nearly bottom in every category of those targeted most often. You can even extend it to the top 20 and 30 targeted and he is close to it bottom in all other categories.
I know our fans are desperate to win and change the culture but they’re a bit blind with this guy. He just isn’t very good.
He is targeted that often because he is considered to be good. He’s a possession receiver so he’s not going to have the long ball thrown to him as much. I don’t know why you can’t figure that out.
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He’s nearly bottom in every category of those targeted most often. You can even extend it to the top 20 and 30 targeted and he is close to it bottom in all other categories.
I know our fans are desperate to win and change the culture but they’re a bit blind with this guy. He just isn’t very good.
He's our Hines Ward. Great blocker, great teammate, great hands, great leader. He was out there with a rookie QB, rookie RB and a rookie WR across from him ... so, sure, Baker threw a lot of impossible balls his way because he trusted him, and threw a lot of tight catches with no room for YAC to him because he was the only guy he could count on to make tough catches when covered. And he was always covered because he was the the only vet out there and drew the team's best coverage every single play.
Most Receptions First Five Years in the History of the National Football League:
Jarvis Landry 481
Larry Fitzgerald 426
Torry Holt 423
A.J. Green 415
He has caught more footballs in the first five years of his career than any man to ever play the game ... He just isn't very good.
Zombo
Zombo said:
He's our Hines Ward. Great blocker, great teammate, great hands, great leader. He was out there with a rookie QB, rookie RB and a rookie WR across from him ... so, sure, Baker threw a lot of impossible balls his way because he trusted him, and threw a lot of tight catches with no room for YAC to him because he was the only guy he could count on to make tough catches when covered. And he was always covered because he was the the only vet out there and drew the team's best coverage every single play.
Most Receptions First Five Years in the History of the National Football League:
Jarvis Landry 481
Larry Fitzgerald 426
Torry Holt 423
A.J. Green 415
He has caught more footballs in the first five years of his career than any man to ever play the game ... He just isn't very good.
Zombo
Agree with you and Mark. London has his opinion of Jarvis, and we're not going to change it.
Can't see Landry wasn't brought in here to be another Julio Jones. He was brought in here because he's the best possession reciever in the NFL, bar none. He's never going to be a 1,500 yard guy- if that's all London is looking at. Looking at that chart, his target\ catch ratio compares favorably to most of the other top WRs. And you'd have to go back to Ozzie Newsome to find a Browns player with hands that good.
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Another thing, I’ve seen Landry WIDE OPEN on several accounts this year and for one reason or another, he didn’t get the ball.
You can bank he would’ve had more receptions, if he had a more experienced Baker getting the ball out to him before the coverage can react to him.
He has reliable hands, the ball just needs to touch them.
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Football outsiders doesn’t agree with you. They have him ranked 83 of 84 wide receivers who was targeted 50+ times. You’re right when you say my opinion won’t change that he pretty much sucks.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him. Higgins is a much better player for instance.
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Football outsiders doesn’t agree with you. They have him ranked 83 of 84 wide receivers who was targeted 50+ times. You’re right when you say my opinion won’t change that he pretty much sucks.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him. Higgins is a much better player for instance.
Football outsiders doesn’t agree with you. They have him ranked 83 of 84 wide receivers who was targeted 50+ times. You’re right when you say my opinion won’t change that he pretty much sucks.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him. Higgins is a much better player for instance.
He doesn't suck and he won't be traded.
But feel free to continue hating players that play for the Browns.
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Football outsiders doesn’t agree with you. They have him ranked 83 of 84 wide receivers who was targeted 50+ times. You’re right when you say my opinion won’t change that he pretty much sucks.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him. Higgins is a much better player for instance.
He doesn't suck and he won't be traded.
But feel free to continue hating players that play for the Browns.
He doesn't suck and he won't be traded.
But feel free to continue hating players that
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Didn't need fixing. I don't hate anyone who plays for the Browns. I like some better than others but as long as they wear the helmet and the uniform, there's no hate from me. Screw them once they go somewhere else.
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Didn't need fixing. I don't hate anyone who plays for the Browns. I like some better than others but as long as they wear the helmet and the uniform, there's no hate from me. Screw them once they go somewhere else.
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Football outsiders doesn’t agree with you. They have him ranked 83 of 84 wide receivers who was targeted 50+ times. You’re right when you say my opinion won’t change that he pretty much sucks.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him. Higgins is a much better player for instance.
Football outsiders doesn’t agree with you. They have him ranked 83 of 84 wide receivers who was targeted 50+ times. You’re right when you say my opinion won’t change that he pretty much sucks.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him. Higgins is a much better player for instance.
Like hell Higgins is a much better player. Let me know when Hollywood makes the Pro Bowl. He may look better to you because his YPC is higher. Just get over the idea the Browns would entertain the thought of trading Landry, it's not happening- certainly not the way his contract is structured. AND being a team leader, and great lockerroom influence on top of that.
You can spin statistics any way you want to. I actually bothered looking up the Football Outsiders stat sheet, and how they came up with that ranking. It's largely based on YAC. Landry doesn't do well in that regard- because that's not what he's good at. Sure handed possession receiver, and we haven't had one of those since Brian Brennan back in the 80s. I won't count Ozzie, because he was a TE. Maybe you missed all those circus catches Jarvis made on off target throws, or with defenders hanging all over him. I DIDN'T. No one else I'd rather have on my team when it's third and ten game on the line. You prefer a bum like Coleman, who was whiffing on passes- including a potential game winner, when it hit him between the numbers?
In stats that actually matter- instead of some stuff cooked up by football nerds- Landry was #19 in the league in number of receptions, and #21 in yards. That's among the 25 best in the NFL- and there's 32 teams. So I'd say he's better than anything 11 other teams have.
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with A) you're beating a dead horse, we heard it from you all season and (B) using terms like "he sucks" when talking about someone who you clearly have a problem with and his performance on the field is far from "sucking". Who cares what his contract is or what he's being paid. It's not my money so who cares. He makes plays and catches passes thrown his way, something that has been lacking around here for years.
As has been pointed out, hes caught more passes in his first 5 years in the league than anyone else who has played the game, explain to me again how that "sucks"?
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Becasue the dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
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Becasue the dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
But that's not this year or even next year so he's going to be here awhile.
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Becasue the dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
1) Because the Dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
2) Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
3) The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
1) How is that a bad thing when you have an outlet receiver that's getting open when no one else is? Tannehill sort of sucks- and when he was hurt, whoever was doing the QBing for the Dolphins sucked even worse.
2) As I already pointed out- the nerd numbers you're using to denigrate Landry's performance are skewed in favor of YAC. So tell me how that's being "objective". It's looking at one freaking aspect of being a WR. I countered that with two different stats that put Jarvis in the top 25 wide receivers in the NFL.... That my friend, does not "suck".
3) Mark beat me to it. We have tons of cap room this year- the most in the NFL. Looking at Landry's contract, there's an out after 2020. So there....
PS- if you want to bang on someone that's underperforming relative to his contract- you can be our guest to rag on Jamie Collins all you want to... And it's odds on the Browns will release him rather than pay him the $11million+ he's due in 2019....
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
Nope, Football Outsiders says he's a bum, and overpaid- it must be true....
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there are a large number of Browns fans so desperate for a star WR they are willing to ignore a players limitations because he gave a speech on Hard Knocks.
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Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there are a large number of Browns fans so desperate for a star WR they are willing to ignore a players limitations because he gave a speech on Hard Knocks.
I think there are a large number of Browns fans so desperate for a star WR they are willing to ignore a players limitations because he gave a speech on Hard Knocks.
I think there are more players on the team to be concerned with than the best WR we've had in 10 years but that's just me.
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