Jarvis Landry headed to pro bowl
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Didn't need fixing. I don't hate anyone who plays for the Browns. I like some better than others but as long as they wear the helmet and the uniform, there's no hate from me. Screw them once they go somewhere else.
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Didn't need fixing. I don't hate anyone who plays for the Browns. I like some better than others but as long as they wear the helmet and the uniform, there's no hate from me. Screw them once they go somewhere else.
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Football outsiders doesn’t agree with you. They have him ranked 83 of 84 wide receivers who was targeted 50+ times. You’re right when you say my opinion won’t change that he pretty much sucks.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him. Higgins is a much better player for instance.
Football outsiders doesn’t agree with you. They have him ranked 83 of 84 wide receivers who was targeted 50+ times. You’re right when you say my opinion won’t change that he pretty much sucks.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him. Higgins is a much better player for instance.
Like hell Higgins is a much better player. Let me know when Hollywood makes the Pro Bowl. He may look better to you because his YPC is higher. Just get over the idea the Browns would entertain the thought of trading Landry, it's not happening- certainly not the way his contract is structured. AND being a team leader, and great lockerroom influence on top of that.
You can spin statistics any way you want to. I actually bothered looking up the Football Outsiders stat sheet, and how they came up with that ranking. It's largely based on YAC. Landry doesn't do well in that regard- because that's not what he's good at. Sure handed possession receiver, and we haven't had one of those since Brian Brennan back in the 80s. I won't count Ozzie, because he was a TE. Maybe you missed all those circus catches Jarvis made on off target throws, or with defenders hanging all over him. I DIDN'T. No one else I'd rather have on my team when it's third and ten game on the line. You prefer a bum like Coleman, who was whiffing on passes- including a potential game winner, when it hit him between the numbers?
In stats that actually matter- instead of some stuff cooked up by football nerds- Landry was #19 in the league in number of receptions, and #21 in yards. That's among the 25 best in the NFL- and there's 32 teams. So I'd say he's better than anything 11 other teams have.
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with A) you're beating a dead horse, we heard it from you all season and (B) using terms like "he sucks" when talking about someone who you clearly have a problem with and his performance on the field is far from "sucking". Who cares what his contract is or what he's being paid. It's not my money so who cares. He makes plays and catches passes thrown his way, something that has been lacking around here for years.
As has been pointed out, hes caught more passes in his first 5 years in the league than anyone else who has played the game, explain to me again how that "sucks"?
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Becasue the dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
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Becasue the dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
But that's not this year or even next year so he's going to be here awhile.
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Becasue the dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
1) Because the Dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
2) Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
3) The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
1) How is that a bad thing when you have an outlet receiver that's getting open when no one else is? Tannehill sort of sucks- and when he was hurt, whoever was doing the QBing for the Dolphins sucked even worse.
2) As I already pointed out- the nerd numbers you're using to denigrate Landry's performance are skewed in favor of YAC. So tell me how that's being "objective". It's looking at one freaking aspect of being a WR. I countered that with two different stats that put Jarvis in the top 25 wide receivers in the NFL.... That my friend, does not "suck".
3) Mark beat me to it. We have tons of cap room this year- the most in the NFL. Looking at Landry's contract, there's an out after 2020. So there....
PS- if you want to bang on someone that's underperforming relative to his contract- you can be our guest to rag on Jamie Collins all you want to... And it's odds on the Browns will release him rather than pay him the $11million+ he's due in 2019....
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
Nope, Football Outsiders says he's a bum, and overpaid- it must be true....
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there are a large number of Browns fans so desperate for a star WR they are willing to ignore a players limitations because he gave a speech on Hard Knocks.
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Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there are a large number of Browns fans so desperate for a star WR they are willing to ignore a players limitations because he gave a speech on Hard Knocks.
I think there are a large number of Browns fans so desperate for a star WR they are willing to ignore a players limitations because he gave a speech on Hard Knocks.
I think there are more players on the team to be concerned with than the best WR we've had in 10 years but that's just me.
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Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
Well you were just wrong too bad. We have given you plenty of numbers you just don’t like the ones that we give you because you’re obstinate about the ones that you think count and ignore the ones that do count
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
Maybe we should start calling it "The Colin Cowherd Syndrome". Wonder what CC has to say after Baker won ROTY.
But as far a bitching fans, we could win the Super Bowl, and a few people are gonna say- "We shoulda beat them worse."
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
Maybe we should start calling it "The Colin Cowherd Syndrome". Wonder what CC has to say after Baker won ROTY.
But as far a bitching fans, we could win the Super Bowl, and a few people are gonna say- "We shoulda beat them worse."
I agree with both statements but please let me correct you both...those "bitchers" are NOT fans!
Mike
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The stats can’t measure how much adrenaline the human body pumps during a game. That’s one reason pure analytics is doomed to fail on football. You just cannot measure “it” factors.
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Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
Look, I'll cut you a bit of slack here and say some of the deeper dive stats aren't friendly to Landry, I can admit that. However, to watch the guy play and outright claim he "sucks" is just being a hater though. The guy is a fine football player that we likely overpaid a bit to come here. But honestly, that's something the Browns as organization had to do to bring in a quality free agent. The glut of his deal may not work out 3 years from now, but it's just fine now.
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