Jarvis Landry headed to pro bowl
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Becasue the dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
1) Because the Dolphins were dumping the ball off to him Constantly? It certainly didn’t achieve any wins did it really, not many anyway.
2) Catches numbers alone are meaningless without any further investigation, in my opinion of course.
3) The money will matter when we have to start paying our excellent young players, can’t be short sighted in that regard.
1) How is that a bad thing when you have an outlet receiver that's getting open when no one else is? Tannehill sort of sucks- and when he was hurt, whoever was doing the QBing for the Dolphins sucked even worse.
2) As I already pointed out- the nerd numbers you're using to denigrate Landry's performance are skewed in favor of YAC. So tell me how that's being "objective". It's looking at one freaking aspect of being a WR. I countered that with two different stats that put Jarvis in the top 25 wide receivers in the NFL.... That my friend, does not "suck".
3) Mark beat me to it. We have tons of cap room this year- the most in the NFL. Looking at Landry's contract, there's an out after 2020. So there....
PS- if you want to bang on someone that's underperforming relative to his contract- you can be our guest to rag on Jamie Collins all you want to... And it's odds on the Browns will release him rather than pay him the $11million+ he's due in 2019....
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
Nope, Football Outsiders says he's a bum, and overpaid- it must be true....
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there are a large number of Browns fans so desperate for a star WR they are willing to ignore a players limitations because he gave a speech on Hard Knocks.
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Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there are a large number of Browns fans so desperate for a star WR they are willing to ignore a players limitations because he gave a speech on Hard Knocks.
I think there are a large number of Browns fans so desperate for a star WR they are willing to ignore a players limitations because he gave a speech on Hard Knocks.
I think there are more players on the team to be concerned with than the best WR we've had in 10 years but that's just me.
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Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
Well you were just wrong too bad. We have given you plenty of numbers you just don’t like the ones that we give you because you’re obstinate about the ones that you think count and ignore the ones that do count
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
Maybe we should start calling it "The Colin Cowherd Syndrome". Wonder what CC has to say after Baker won ROTY.
But as far a bitching fans, we could win the Super Bowl, and a few people are gonna say- "We shoulda beat them worse."
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I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
I think there is a small number of Browns fans who are so used to bitching and complaining about everything with this team over the last couple of decades that they aren't happy unless complaining and being miserable about something with this team.
I don't understand it at all but whatever.
Maybe we should start calling it "The Colin Cowherd Syndrome". Wonder what CC has to say after Baker won ROTY.
But as far a bitching fans, we could win the Super Bowl, and a few people are gonna say- "We shoulda beat them worse."
I agree with both statements but please let me correct you both...those "bitchers" are NOT fans!
Mike
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The stats can’t measure how much adrenaline the human body pumps during a game. That’s one reason pure analytics is doomed to fail on football. You just cannot measure “it” factors.
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Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
Look, I'll cut you a bit of slack here and say some of the deeper dive stats aren't friendly to Landry, I can admit that. However, to watch the guy play and outright claim he "sucks" is just being a hater though. The guy is a fine football player that we likely overpaid a bit to come here. But honestly, that's something the Browns as organization had to do to bring in a quality free agent. The glut of his deal may not work out 3 years from now, but it's just fine now.
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Man people don’t like it when you don’t go with the status quo round here ?
The Numbers being quoted like basic catches are too raw, they need to be delved into much more and people are paid a lot of money to do so. I’m first to admit I’m a nerd but there are plenty in the Browns front office as well. Podesta and Berry for example, and I can guarantee they’re looking at Landrys production vs contract and thinking.....bad value for the Browns.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
How about this number: he averages a first down every time he catches the ball.
He is one of the big reasons the Browns went from 30th/31st/32d in total offense the previous 3 years to 20th this past year.
And from 30th to 13th in TDs.
He is a drive sustainer. The Browns went from 29th to 19th in passing first downs from the prior year.
I absolutely love Jarvis Landry, and while I somewhat understand a LITTLE of the criticism, I have to say I disagree with it. For the money, you'd like to see eye-popping production...I get it. But you can't just look at the production of Landry to fully understand his importance, ya know? People need to understand that when we signed him, we were 0-16. We literally HAD to overpay this guy, as all bad teams do with good players. Not only that, Jarvis intimated that Gase sent him to Cleveland almost as a punishment. I don't mind what we paid Jarvis because in addition to his skills on the field, we desperately needed his MENTALITY. Jarvis was exactly what we needed, and he pairs extremely well with Baker Mayfield. He's great for the city (lots of charity work), he's only going to produce more on the field as other receivers get better, and Baker loves the guy.
The only complaint I really have of Jarvis is the absolutely gigantic drop he had in our last game. I mean, I can’t think of a worse drop in the past 10 years. The stakes in that game were so high, we just had a defensive TD called back because the ref blew the whistle, and Jarvis likely would’ve gone 95 yards if he caught a deep ball with nobody around him. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a ball bounce off a pro receiver’s FACE. AHHHHHHHHHHHH! LOL
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Of the 30 WR’s targeted the most only five had less first downs than Landry.
I get some don’t like nerds and or numbers but that alone tells you he’s not doing really anything nobody else can. He’s way overpaid and I firmly believe the FO know it and will look to move him on. Probably next year though not this.
Look, I'll cut you a bit of slack here and say some of the deeper dive stats aren't friendly to Landry, I can admit that. However, to watch the guy play and outright claim he "sucks" is just being a hater though. The guy is a fine football player that we likely overpaid a bit to come here. But honestly, that's something the Browns as organization had to do to bring in a quality free agent. The glut of his deal may not work out 3 years from now, but it's just fine now.
Look, I'll cut you a bit of slack here and say some of the deeper dive stats aren't friendly to Landry, I can admit that. However, to watch the guy play and outright claim he "sucks" is just being a hater though. The guy is a fine football player that we likely overpaid a bit to come here. But honestly, that's something the Browns as organization had to do to bring in a quality free agent. The glut of his deal may not work out 3 years from now, but it's just fine now.
This. All of this.
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Were you around for Dwayne Bowe.. How about Kenny Britt? Those guys were a waste of money.
Jarvis may not be a true #1 but he belongs on this team.
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Were you around for Dwayne Bowe.. How about Kenny Britt? Those guys were a waste of money.
Jarvis may not be a true #1 but he belongs on this team.
Were you around for Dwayne Bowe.. How about Kenny Britt? Those guys were a waste of money.
Jarvis may not be a true #1 but he belongs on this team.
He was exactly what this team, and Baker needed. Now we need another piece across from him. Whether Calloway or Perriman can be that guy, I don't know.
I keep comparing Landry to Hines Ward, that is how I see him. Ward was never asked to be "the guy". They always had a big, fast home run hitter guy on the other side that you had to worry about while Hines killed you underneath ... Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, Mike Wallace ... then moved right into Antonio Brown and now they have a stud Shuster, to replace him.
If you put a 1,000 yd, 15 ypc tall, fast guy on the other side, with Baker's arm, Landry will KILL people underneath.
If he is getting Pro Bowl respect now, just wait until we have a big gain hunter across from him.
Zombo
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Bitching about Landry is just pure assinine..... He's done more than earned his keep by the energy he brought.... I guess that wakeup call he gave on Hard Knocks didnt mean anything i guess where he called out the chumps and let them know what time it was.. That alone was worth signing him/trading for him..(however he got here).. Embrace the fact he "wanted to be here.. Enjoy this team.. It's gonna be fun for years to come!
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Were you around for Dwayne Bowe.. How about Kenny Britt? Those guys were a waste of money.
Jarvis may not be a true #1 but he belongs on this team.
He was exactly what this team, and Baker needed. Now we need another piece across from him. Whether Calloway or Perriman can be that guy, I don't know.
I keep comparing Landry to Hines Ward, that is how I see him. Ward was never asked to be "the guy". They always had a big, fast home run hitter guy on the other side that you had to worry about while Hines killed you underneath ... Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, Mike Wallace ... then moved right into Antonio Brown and now they have a stud Shuster, to replace him.
If you put a 1,000 yd, 15 ypc tall, fast guy on the other side, with Baker's arm, Landry will KILL people underneath.
If he is getting Pro Bowl respect now, just wait until we have a big gain hunter across from him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
He was exactly what this team, and Baker needed. Now we need another piece across from him. Whether Calloway or Perriman can be that guy, I don't know.
I keep comparing Landry to Hines Ward, that is how I see him. Ward was never asked to be "the guy". They always had a big, fast home run hitter guy on the other side that you had to worry about while Hines killed you underneath ... Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, Mike Wallace ... then moved right into Antonio Brown and now they have a stud Shuster, to replace him.
If you put a 1,000 yd, 15 ypc tall, fast guy on the other side, with Baker's arm, Landry will KILL people underneath.
If he is getting Pro Bowl respect now, just wait until we have a big gain hunter across from him.
Zombo
All Landry needs to be like Hines Ward is to start taking dirty, cheap, blindside shots at players.🥷 Maybe London would like him better then.
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I loved acquiring Jarvis Landry last year, and I think that he delivered most of the time. I got to see that some games he was a bit off, but nothing to worry about.
As others have stated, Jarvis fits the role of a possesion receiver. It's the same discussion we had when we traded for him ''What is a 8ypc guy useful for?'' Well, it gets you either first downs or 2nd & 2s or 3 & 2s, and that's a huge difference. Edelman, Wes Welker and others have made a career of it, and I don't care if we overpay a bit for such an asset.
At the same time, I think that here applies the ''keep until we have a better option'' principle: We have a promising tight end in Njoku, a fast small guy in Callaway and the possesion receiver in Landry. I think we would do better if we found a big guy ala Julio Jones and I can't think of any possesion receiver at the same level as Landry, as I think he is better than Beasley or Edelman, to mention a few.
Only thing I can take away from Landry is that Baker sometimes trusts him way too much and puts him in hard positions. The times that we have spread the ball to more receivers are the ones we have done better; I believe.
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