Who is the bigger idiot
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There are not many people I would pick over Huey
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Is he? His career longevity will likely be longer in the mlb. Deion sanders said in hindsight he would have only played in the mlb.
Deion wasn’t a QB. If a QB does his job right(gets the ball out quick/slides before contact) and doesn’t have idiots blocking for him, he should be able to limit the blows that everyone loves talking about.
Baker didn’t really take many “shots” last year, for example.
Deion wasn’t a QB. If a QB does his job right(gets the ball out quick/slides before contact) and doesn’t have idiots blocking for him, he should be able to limit the blows that everyone loves talking about.
Baker didn’t really take many “shots” last year, for example.
Deion avoiding contact a lot. QBs cant help but so much how much they get hit, it is somewhat dependent position, as they are depending on line to block, and stationary at times. Also aren't a lot of late hits/ roughing on defenders.
The odds of getting hit are exponentially higher for QBs
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Deion wasn’t a QB. If a QB does his job right(gets the ball out quick/slides before contact) and doesn’t have idiots blocking for him, he should be able to limit the blows that everyone loves talking about.
Baker didn’t really take many “shots” last year, for example.
Deion avoiding contact a lot. QBs cant help but so much how much they get hit, it is somewhat dependent position, as they are depending on line to block, and stationary at times. Also aren't a lot of late hits/ roughing on defenders.
The odds of getting hit are exponentially higher for QBs
Deion avoiding contact a lot. QBs cant help but so much how much they get hit, it is somewhat dependent position, as they are depending on line to block, and stationary at times. Also aren't a lot of late hits/ roughing on defenders.
The odds of getting hit are exponentially higher for QBs
What you say is true. What I’m saying is some guys do take a LOT more hits than others...
Murray certainly isn’t built to take too many big shots, but he’s so fast and quick that it will be a tall task to do such.
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Deion avoiding contact a lot. QBs cant help but so much how much they get hit, it is somewhat dependent position, as they are depending on line to block, and stationary at times. Also aren't a lot of late hits/ roughing on defenders.
The odds of getting hit are exponentially higher for QBs
What you say is true. What I’m saying is some guys do take a LOT more hits than others...
Murray certainly isn’t built to take too many big shots, but he’s so fast and quick that it will be a tall task to do such.
What you say is true. What I’m saying is some guys do take a LOT more hits than others...
Murray certainly isn’t built to take too many big shots, but he’s so fast and quick that it will be a tall task to do such.
One really good blindside hit could send both careers into the shitter in a NY minute. Just use FB to leverage a better BB deal.
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Baseball careers seem to last longer. On average a baseball player might make more money. The glamour is the NFL though. Bo knows.
Baseball career is almost definitely longer. Immediate money and chance to play in the big time is in the NFL. He's 3 years at least away from even being in major league baseball. That's a lot of bus rides and playing for peanuts as opposed to being a first round draft choice and being in the NFL. Will he have a long NFL career? No one knows. I doubt it because of his size but there's no guarantee he's making it to the majors either. First round draft picks in baseball flame out and are never heard from again much more often than they do in the NFL.
Baseball career is almost definitely longer. Immediate money and chance to play in the big time is in the NFL. He's 3 years at least away from even being in major league baseball. That's a lot of bus rides and playing for peanuts as opposed to being a first round draft choice and being in the NFL. Will he have a long NFL career? No one knows. I doubt it because of his size but there's no guarantee he's making it to the majors either. First round draft picks in baseball flame out and are never heard from again much more often than they do in the NFL.Don’t forget, baseball drafts players much younger than football. They generally need to wait a few years to finish growing. Baseball drafts kids. Football drafts grown men
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Deion avoiding contact a lot. QBs cant help but so much how much they get hit, it is somewhat dependent position, as they are depending on line to block, and stationary at times. Also aren't a lot of late hits/ roughing on defenders.
The odds of getting hit are exponentially higher for QBs
What you say is true. What I’m saying is some guys do take a LOT more hits than others...
Murray certainly isn’t built to take too many big shots, but he’s so fast and quick that it will be a tall task to do such.
What you say is true. What I’m saying is some guys do take a LOT more hits than others...
Murray certainly isn’t built to take too many big shots, but he’s so fast and quick that it will be a tall task to do such.
Murray has a little more quickness, but not anywhere close to speed of RG3 or Michael Vick, how did those work out.
People seem to look at speed/quickness/strength in college and just think it translates the exact same to pros, but that isn't the case.
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Baseball career is almost definitely longer. Immediate money and chance to play in the big time is in the NFL. He's 3 years at least away from even being in major league baseball. That's a lot of bus rides and playing for peanuts as opposed to being a first round draft choice and being in the NFL. Will he have a long NFL career? No one knows. I doubt it because of his size but there's no guarantee he's making it to the majors either. First round draft picks in baseball flame out and are never heard from again much more often than they do in the NFL.Don’t forget, baseball drafts players much younger than football. They generally need to wait a few years to finish growing. Baseball drafts kids. Football drafts grown men
Don’t forget, baseball drafts players much younger than football. They generally need to wait a few years to finish growing. Baseball drafts kids. Football drafts grown men
Of course they do...and in a lot of ways he's still a kid as well at only 21 years old. Immediately, there's more money in football. Long term (assuming he makes the majors and is as good as his draft position) he would play longer and make more money in baseball.
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What you say is true. What I’m saying is some guys do take a LOT more hits than others...
Murray certainly isn’t built to take too many big shots, but he’s so fast and quick that it will be a tall task to do such.
Murray has a little more quickness, but not anywhere close to speed of RG3 or Michael Vick, how did those work out.
People seem to look at speed/quickness/strength in college and just think it translates the exact same to pros, but that isn't the case.
Murray has a little more quickness, but not anywhere close to speed of RG3 or Michael Vick, how did those work out.
People seem to look at speed/quickness/strength in college and just think it translates the exact same to pros, but that isn't the case.
We’ll see when that 40 time comes out. I’d say his speed is pretty damn close. RG3 ran a 4.41, Vick a 4.33 and as low as a 4.25. He’s gotta be under 4.5.
Speed is not a requirement; especially with the QB position, but it gives the potential for nightmare matchups for opposing defenses.
Combine speed with a good arm? Combine that with a good brain?
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Murray has a little more quickness, but not anywhere close to speed of RG3 or Michael Vick, how did those work out.
People seem to look at speed/quickness/strength in college and just think it translates the exact same to pros, but that isn't the case.
We’ll see when that 40 time comes out. I’d say his speed is pretty damn close. RG3 ran a 4.41, Vick a 4.33 and as low as a 4.25. He’s gotta be under 4.5.
Speed is not a requirement; especially with the QB position, but it gives the potential for nightmare matchups for opposing defenses.
Combine speed with a good arm? Combine that with a good brain?
We’ll see when that 40 time comes out. I’d say his speed is pretty damn close. RG3 ran a 4.41, Vick a 4.33 and as low as a 4.25. He’s gotta be under 4.5.
Speed is not a requirement; especially with the QB position, but it gives the potential for nightmare matchups for opposing defenses.
Combine speed with a good arm? Combine that with a good brain?
I'm not saying he couldn't be a good QB, I am saying that it doesn't prevent him from being hit and potentially injured. Those "hits" you brought up.
Look at it this way. Barry Sanders was quicker, he took shots, and was also not in a stationary position. Mike Vick took shots and he had more top end speed. Look at a small slot receiver, that is the size of KM.
You seem to be speaking of him that he is less prone to being hit, where there is really no evidence in that. And if hit, he is smaller to withstand those hits. You think he will hold up well getting shots from Aaron Donald? Khalil Mack? Luke Kuechly?
If he inherited the 90's Cowboys OL, then he would be greatly protected. But Cardinals, Giants, Jaguars, Oakland? Those are not good lines.
Its really hard to compare guys now with even 10 years ago, as the offenses are so much more wide open. But one of the worst throwers of the football in memory, according to almost all is Tim Tebow. His college completion percentage, 66.4. To compare, KM, 67.4. Blake Bortles, 65.7. So to say he has such a great arm, never know until he is in the league.
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Don’t forget, baseball drafts players much younger than football. They generally need to wait a few years to finish growing. Baseball drafts kids. Football drafts grown men
Of course they do...and in a lot of ways he's still a kid as well at only 21 years old. Immediately, there's more money in football. Long term (assuming he makes the majors and is as good as his draft position) he would play longer and make more money in baseball.
Of course they do...and in a lot of ways he's still a kid as well at only 21 years old. Immediately, there's more money in football. Long term (assuming he makes the majors and is as good as his draft position) he would play longer and make more money in baseball.
Nope,you’re way off. NBA, MLB and NHL all have higher average salary. The NFL is only ahead of MLS here. The wages for a average NFL player aren’t all that big. It the big name contracts that make it seem larger. I figure it’s the difference between strong unions( mlb, nba) and scab unions.
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Of course they do...and in a lot of ways he's still a kid as well at only 21 years old. Immediately, there's more money in football. Long term (assuming he makes the majors and is as good as his draft position) he would play longer and make more money in baseball.
Nope,you’re way off. NBA, MLB and NHL all have higher average salary. The NFL is only ahead of MLS here. The wages for a average NFL player aren’t all that big. It the big name contracts that make it seem larger. I figure it’s the difference between strong unions( mlb, nba) and scab unions.
Nope,you’re way off. NBA, MLB and NHL all have higher average salary. The NFL is only ahead of MLS here. The wages for a average NFL player aren’t all that big. It the big name contracts that make it seem larger. I figure it’s the difference between strong unions( mlb, nba) and scab unions.
You would likely be wrong then. The NFL has over double the roster size of any of the other major team sports....so that is the major reason for lower individual salaries. That plus the wide disparity in duties among the position. An OG is not going to make as much as a QB or a good pass rusher. It is simple math. I suggest that if you look at the overall money that is paid out to the players on team rosters in each sport, the NFL could likely pay out a lot more than any of the other sports.
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Murray is giong to go 1/1 to Arizona.
Murray is giong to go 1/1 to Arizona.
A bit of a foolish statement don't you think?
He won't be the first QB taken. That will be Haskins.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/236206/payroll-of-major-league-baseball-teams/
Above are payrolls in 2018 for Baseball.
At the top> SF Giants pay 221 million to its players. At bottom... Oakland As paid 65 million. and various amounts in between. The median amount is about 135 million
Could not find what each team actually pays, but for the NFL I found this:
The exact salary cap is dictated by the Players Association in the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Under the current CBA, all sources of revenue, including television contracts, merchandise sales and ticket sales, are added up and divided among all 32 teams.
When the salary cap was first introduced in 1994, the cap was set to $34 million. The salary cap for the current NFL season is $177.2 million.
Spending requirements
There is a minimum amount of money that a team can put towards their caps. All 32 teams are required to spend at least 89 percent of their caps (which this year is $157.7 M). This is called theminimum cash spend requirement, also known as the 89 percent rule.
So....if every NFL team paid the salary cap....they would be paying @42 million more than the median MLB team. Even at the minimum it would be about 22 million more.
And it is just simple....that money is spread out between many more players.
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http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-team-salaries-at-a-glance/
And in the NBA player roster salary totals range from 144 million, paid by the Warriors....to 90 million paid by the Kings.
But here is an odd thing:
Highest salaries in both NBA and MLB...are by Bay area teams...Giants/Warriors. And the lowest salaries are by essentially Bay area/NoCal teams; As and Kings.
How bizarre.
So...in essence, because of it minimum salary cap spending requirements....EVERY NFL team spends more on its players than EVERY NBA team spends.
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Of course they do...and in a lot of ways he's still a kid as well at only 21 years old. Immediately, there's more money in football. Long term (assuming he makes the majors and is as good as his draft position) he would play longer and make more money in baseball.
Nope,you’re way off. NBA, MLB and NHL all have higher average salary. The NFL is only ahead of MLS here. The wages for a average NFL player aren’t all that big. It the big name contracts that make it seem larger. I figure it’s the difference between strong unions( mlb, nba) and scab unions.
Nope,you’re way off. NBA, MLB and NHL all have higher average salary. The NFL is only ahead of MLS here. The wages for a average NFL player aren’t all that big. It the big name contracts that make it seem larger. I figure it’s the difference between strong unions( mlb, nba) and scab unions.
How am I way off? How much is he going to make playing for the Stockton A's in single A baseball next season? Starting pay is between $1100 and 2100 per month. Lets say because he's a first round pick he makes 10 grand a month for his minor league deal. That's still peanuts compared to what his rookie contract as a first round pick in the NFL is worth. I already posted what Jackson got as the 32nd pick in the first round. The No. 32 overall pick signed his rookie contract Tuesday, the team announced. The deal, according to NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport, pays out $9.47 million with a $4.97 million signing bonus. The signing bonus for being a first round NFL pick was higher than he got from the A's and his initial contract is much higher than hes going to get playing in single A and riding a bus through central California.
Explain to me again how I'm way off in saying that he would immediately make more money playing in the NFL than he will playing baseball.
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Nope,you’re way off. NBA, MLB and NHL all have higher average salary. The NFL is only ahead of MLS here. The wages for a average NFL player aren’t all that big. It the big name contracts that make it seem larger. I figure it’s the difference between strong unions( mlb, nba) and scab unions.
You would likely be wrong then. The NFL has over double the roster size of any of the other major team sports....so that is the major reason for lower individual salaries. That plus the wide disparity in duties among the position. An OG is not going to make as much as a QB or a good pass rusher. It is simple math. I suggest that if you look at the overall money that is paid out to the players on team rosters in each sport, the NFL could likely pay out a lot more than any of the other sports.
You would likely be wrong then. The NFL has over double the roster size of any of the other major team sports....so that is the major reason for lower individual salaries. That plus the wide disparity in duties among the position. An OG is not going to make as much as a QB or a good pass rusher. It is simple math. I suggest that if you look at the overall money that is paid out to the players on team rosters in each sport, the NFL could likely pay out a lot more than any of the other sports.
The average wage is just that. The NBA does have a smaller roster. Football May pay more overall because of roster size but that doesn’t put more green in the pocket of the average NFL lineman. Even though the star RB depends on that lineman for his yardage. Fair? Sure, why not?
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Nope,you’re way off. NBA, MLB and NHL all have higher average salary. The NFL is only ahead of MLS here. The wages for a average NFL player aren’t all that big. It the big name contracts that make it seem larger. I figure it’s the difference between strong unions( mlb, nba) and scab unions.
You would likely be wrong then. The NFL has over double the roster size of any of the other major team sports....so that is the major reason for lower individual salaries. That plus the wide disparity in duties among the position. An OG is not going to make as much as a QB or a good pass rusher. It is simple math. I suggest that if you look at the overall money that is paid out to the players on team rosters in each sport, the NFL could likely pay out a lot more than any of the other sports.
You would likely be wrong then. The NFL has over double the roster size of any of the other major team sports....so that is the major reason for lower individual salaries. That plus the wide disparity in duties among the position. An OG is not going to make as much as a QB or a good pass rusher. It is simple math. I suggest that if you look at the overall money that is paid out to the players on team rosters in each sport, the NFL could likely pay out a lot more than any of the other sports.
Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
The point was that an average MLB player makes more than the average NFL player.
What the overall team payrolls are has absolutely NOTHING to do with this debate.
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Murray is giong to go 1/1 to Arizona.
Murray is going to go 1/1 to Arizona.
No he's not- at least with Rosen on the roster. Damn debatable if he's a better prospect....
The average wage is just that. The NBA does have a smaller roster. Football May pay more overall because of roster size but that doesn’t put more green in the pocket of the average NFL lineman. Even though the star RB depends on that lineman for his yardage. Fair? Sure, why not?
NBA has a 12? man roster spread out over 82 games. The NFL has a 52 man roster over 16 games. The math is pretty simple....
Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
The point was that an average MLB player makes more than the average NFL player.
What the overall team payrolls are has absolutely NOTHING to do with this debate.
Of course, it's what Gip does... Sure, once you make it to the Bigs, a scrub MLB player will make more than a scrub NFL player. Ditto that for anyone in the NBA. But it's comparative value and roster size what dictates what the scrubs are going to get paid.
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You would likely be wrong then. The NFL has over double the roster size of any of the other major team sports....so that is the major reason for lower individual salaries. That plus the wide disparity in duties among the position. An OG is not going to make as much as a QB or a good pass rusher. It is simple math. I suggest that if you look at the overall money that is paid out to the players on team rosters in each sport, the NFL could likely pay out a lot more than any of the other sports.
Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
The point was that an average MLB player makes more than the average NFL player.
What the overall team payrolls are has absolutely NOTHING to do with this debate.
Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
The point was that an average MLB player makes more than the average NFL player.
What the overall team payrolls are has absolutely NOTHING to do with this debate.
The hell it doesn’t. we’re talking about the total revenues of a team and how it has to be spread out among the players that play for that team. When you have 53 on the roster that is double the amount that a baseball team has. So obviously you have to try to spread similar money Because each of the leagues make similar money to double the players. what is it about that you don’t understand
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