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  • Just to thrown in my 2¢, assuming a player could have a equal type career as a player, in other words, not marginal in one and really good in the other, the smart move would be to play baseball.  You have a much longer time before your playing window closes, and the injury factor is greatly reduced.

    If I could be a pro player in any sport, it would be golf.

    They can set their schedule and take off any week they want and can still be playing for big bucks until they are 60 or so.  That's a 40 year playing career.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Sure I muddied the water by bringing in the facts as to why a major league baseball player makes more on average than an NFL player. All I did was put context to whatever it was you were arguing about sorry if the truth got in the way of whatever it is you’re dealing with. It’s like you are saying God is dead and I don’t want to know anymore about it. Where I am telling you why he died

    Nobody cares why baseball players get paid more than football players. That has NOTHING to do with this debate, but you felt the need to throw it in. 

    A reason some people think that if things are relatively equal a person would be smart to choose baseball over football is the fact that baseball players, ON AVERAGE, make over twice a year more than football players. Only you would start to argue about why this is, when it has nothing to do with the original argument. 

    I'm sure you'll respond again to this, and I'll just tell you now that I'm done. I've seen this act before. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Nobody cares why baseball players get paid more than football players. That has NOTHING to do with this debate, but you felt the need to throw it in. 

    Well.....if you do not include the WHY....then you have a useless debate.  Yes...I was giving general knowledge on the subject....background if you will.  Information that is normally illuminating to a discussion even if it is not applicable to that specific narrow issue that you may have been discussing.   Not sure why you are opposed to having that information.  Nevertheless, welcome to the world of conversation.  Conversations do not remain static.  Perhaps you want your conversations to all be static and stale?

    A reason some people think that if things are relatively equal a person would be smart to choose baseball over football is the fact that baseball players, ON AVERAGE, make over twice a year more than football players. Only you would start to argue about why this is, when it has nothing to do with the original argument. 

    See my statement above. This is an information chat board.Talk can go in all directions.  No one is disputing that baseball players on average make more than football players. Why argue the inarguable.   I simply explained why:   Because a similar money pot in baseball is divided into fewer pieces than in football.

    I'm sure you'll respond again to this, and I'll just tell you now that I'm done. I've seen this act before. 

    So....are you saying that your desire to be ignorant of the broad picture is just as valuable as someone's desire to be knowledgeable about the whole picture.  Isaac Asimov had something to say about that.

  • Just to thrown in my 2¢, assuming a player could have a equal type career as a player, in other words, not marginal in one and really good in the other, the smart move would be to play baseball.  You have a much longer time before your playing window closes, and the injury factor is greatly reduced.

    If I could be a pro player in any sport, it would be golf.

    They can set their schedule and take off any week they want and can still be playing for big bucks until they are 60 or so.  That's a 40 year playing career.

    @ballpeen said:

    Just to thrown in my 2¢, assuming a player could have a equal type career as a player, in other words, not marginal in one and really good in the other, the smart move would be to play baseball.  You have a much longer time before your playing window closes, and the injury factor is greatly reduced.

    If I could be a pro player in any sport, it would be golf.

    They can set their schedule and take off any week they want and can still be playing for big bucks until they are 60 or so.  That's a 40 year playing career.

    In a sense.....golf is the only true meritocracy in sport, that I know of  (maybe tennis too.)  You get paid more the better you perform.  You are not paid on past performance, or future potential....but on how you do here and now...this week.

    (of course....this does not include compensation for endorsement deals or appearance fees for like tournaments in Dubai or Thailand)

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Nobody cares why baseball players get paid more than football players. That has NOTHING to do with this debate, but you felt the need to throw it in. 

    Well.....if you do not include the WHY....then you have a useless debate.  Yes...I was giving general knowledge on the subject....background if you will.  Information that is normally illuminating to a discussion even if it is not applicable to that specific narrow issue that you may have been discussing.   Not sure why you are opposed to having that information.  Nevertheless, welcome to the world of conversation.  Conversations do not remain static.  Perhaps you want your conversations to all be static and stale?

    A reason some people think that if things are relatively equal a person would be smart to choose baseball over football is the fact that baseball players, ON AVERAGE, make over twice a year more than football players. Only you would start to argue about why this is, when it has nothing to do with the original argument. 

    See my statement above. This is an information chat board.Talk can go in all directions.  No one is disputing that baseball players on average make more than football players. Why argue the inarguable.   I simply explained why:   Because a similar money pot in baseball is divided into fewer pieces than in football.

    I'm sure you'll respond again to this, and I'll just tell you now that I'm done. I've seen this act before. 

    So....are you saying that your desire to be ignorant of the broad picture is just as valuable as someone's desire to be knowledgeable about the whole picture.  Isaac Asimov had something to say about that.

    @the-gipper said:

      No one is disputing that baseball players on average make more than football players. Why argue the inarguable.

    There are people debating exactly that. But again you have an incessant need to be right. 

  • Thought Ghoolie ?was going to one of the answers 

  • @pat-mahomo said:

    Murray is giong to go 1/1 to Arizona.

    A bit of a foolish statement don't you think?  

    He won't be the first QB taken.  That will be Haskins.

    @the-gipper said:

    A bit of a foolish statement don't you think?  

    He won't be the first QB taken.  That will be Haskins.

    I have no dog in the fight.  I assume you are an Ohio state fan.  I like Haskins.  I believe he’ll be the second QB off the board and be a top 5 pick if not 2nd overall.  Someone will trade into the top 5 for him.  

    I do think Murray is the best in this group even if he is short. And I believe Arizona will trade Rosen and go with Murray.

  • Murray is giong to go 1/1 to Arizona.

    @pat-mahomo said:

    Murray is giong to go 1/1 to Arizona.

    I actually think he'll be a mid second rounder or be Mr. Irrelevant...

  • @pat-mahomo said:

    Murray is going to go 1/1 to Arizona.

    No he's not- at least with Rosen on the roster. Damn debatable if he's a better prospect....  

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    The average wage is just that. The NBA does have a smaller roster.  Football May pay more overall because of roster size but that doesn’t put more green in the pocket of the average NFL lineman. Even though the star RB depends on that lineman for his yardage. Fair? Sure, why not?

    NBA has a 12? man roster spread out over 82 games. The NFL has a 52 man roster over 16 games.  The math is pretty simple....   

    @dutch-oven said:

    Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?

    The point was that an average MLB player makes more than the average NFL player. 

    What the overall team payrolls are has absolutely NOTHING to do with this debate. 

    Of course, it's what  Gip does...  Sure, once you make it to the Bigs, a scrub MLB player will make more than a scrub NFL player. Ditto that for anyone in the NBA.  But it's comparative value and roster size what dictates what the scrubs are going to get paid.   

    @hoorta said:

    No he's not- at least with Rosen on the roster. Damn debatable if he's a better prospect....  

    NBA has a 12? man roster spread out over 82 games. The NFL has a 52 man roster over 16 games.  The math is pretty simple....   

    Of course, it's what  Gip does...  Sure, once you make it to the Bigs, a scrub MLB player will make more than a scrub NFL player. Ditto that for anyone in the NBA.  But it's comparative value and roster size what dictates what the scrubs are going to get paid.   

    And yet the nfl owners make waaaaaay more than the other sports team owners. 

  • Murray is giong to go 1/1 to Arizona.

    @pat-mahomo said:

    Murray is giong to go 1/1 to Arizona.

    Let me see-a college HC who got his job at TT based on JM streetwalking his offense, plus Huey Bad News Brownie-ex plus a diminutive QB who will be broken apart with the first blindside hit from a 250 pro LB running a 4.5 40 speed right through him.

    I see nothing that could go wrong here.  ??

  • @the-gipper said:

      No one is disputing that baseball players on average make more than football players. Why argue the inarguable.

    There are people debating exactly that. But again you have an incessant need to be right. 

    @bjh2130 said:

    There are people debating exactly that. But again you have an incessant need to be right. 

    Really. If they are arguing that where are the statistics that support it. Show me where Anywhere or football players make more on average than baseball players. I’m perfectly willing to see those statistics

  • @the-gipper said:

    A bit of a foolish statement don't you think?  

    He won't be the first QB taken.  That will be Haskins.

    I have no dog in the fight.  I assume you are an Ohio state fan.  I like Haskins.  I believe he’ll be the second QB off the board and be a top 5 pick if not 2nd overall.  Someone will trade into the top 5 for him.  

    I do think Murray is the best in this group even if he is short. And I believe Arizona will trade Rosen and go with Murray.

    @pat-mahomo said:

    I have no dog in the fight.  I assume you are an Ohio state fan.  I like Haskins.  I believe he’ll be the second QB off the board and be a top 5 pick if not 2nd overall.  Someone will trade into the top 5 for him.  

    I do think Murray is the best in this group even if he is short. And I believe Arizona will trade Rosen and go with Murray.

    I believe you’re comments  here means you have absolutely no credibility. I would wager a picture of margaritas that you were wrong

  • @pat-mahomo said:

    I have no dog in the fight.  I assume you are an Ohio state fan.  I like Haskins.  I believe he’ll be the second QB off the board and be a top 5 pick if not 2nd overall.  Someone will trade into the top 5 for him.  

    I do think Murray is the best in this group even if he is short. And I believe Arizona will trade Rosen and go with Murray.

    I believe you’re comments  here means you have absolutely no credibility. I would wager a picture of margaritas that you were wrong

    @the-gipper said:

    I believe you’re comments  here means you have absolutely no credibility. I would wager a picture of margaritas that you were wrong

    What did you expect from a MahOUmo fan?

  • @the-gipper said:

    The hell it doesn’t. we’re talking about the total revenues of a team and how it has to be spread out among the players that play for that team. When you have 53 on the roster that is double the amount that a baseball team has. So obviously you have to try to spread similar money Because each of the leagues make similar money to double the players. what is it about that you don’t understand

    The entire crux of this argument is that a person is or not nuts by deciding to choose playing football professionally over baseball. 

    Arguments for baseball include: Less chance for catastrophic injury, better long-term health and a higher salary on average. 

    YOU decided to muddy the ol' argument waters by throwing out overall payrolls by sports for reasons only you would understand. Multiple people then concluded that you did so solely for the sake of arguing. I believe it to be a sound theory. 

    Edit: An average MLB player made $4.4 mill a season as of 2018, ALL OF WHICH IS GUARANTEED. An average NFL player made $1.9 mill a season as of 2018.  

    @dutch-oven said:

    The entire crux of this argument is that a person is or not nuts by deciding to choose playing football professionally over baseball. 

    Arguments for baseball include: Less chance for catastrophic injury, better long-term health and a higher salary on average. 

    Totally agree.  Long term, more money in baseball assuming he makes it to the majors but no guarantee there that he does, plenty of first round picks don't make it.   Immediately, he will make more money playing in the NFL. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    I believe you’re comments  here means you have absolutely no credibility. I would wager a picture of margaritas that you were wrong

    What did you expect from a MahOUmo fan?

    @texasag1969 said:

    What did you expect from a MahOUmo fan?

    Is he in OU fan I don’t know about that I don’t care what team is a fan of he has to be realistic about the draft.  I know that the prejudice against shorter quarterbacks maybe going out the window. But I’m not sure that applies yet to a guy that’s like 5 foot seven

  • @bjh2130 said:

    There are people debating exactly that. But again you have an incessant need to be right. 

    Really. If they are arguing that where are the statistics that support it. Show me where Anywhere or football players make more on average than baseball players. I’m perfectly willing to see those statistics

    @the-gipper said:

    Really. If they are arguing that where are the statistics that support it. Show me where Anywhere or football players make more on average than baseball players. I’m perfectly willing to see those statistics

    There aren't any statistics. There are multiple people on this thread stating that he would make more money in football than in baseball. Which is why Dutch/flying said on average baseball players make more than football players. Then you go and start spouting your nonsensical shit about roster size and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I didn't see Dutch/flying say anything about roster size or cap room you just brought that up yourself. All I saw them state was it the average salary of an MLB player is higher than the average salary of an NFL player

  • @the-gipper said:

    Really. If they are arguing that where are the statistics that support it. Show me where Anywhere or football players make more on average than baseball players. I’m perfectly willing to see those statistics

    There aren't any statistics. There are multiple people on this thread stating that he would make more money in football than in baseball. Which is why Dutch/flying said on average baseball players make more than football players. Then you go and start spouting your nonsensical shit about roster size and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I didn't see Dutch/flying say anything about roster size or cap room you just brought that up yourself. All I saw them state was it the average salary of an MLB player is higher than the average salary of an NFL player

    @bjh2130 said:

    There aren't any statistics. There are multiple people on this thread stating that he would make more money in football than in baseball. Which is why Dutch/flying said on average baseball players make more than football players. Then you go and start spouting your nonsensical shit about roster size and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I didn't see Dutch/flying say anything about roster size or cap room you just brought that up yourself. All I saw them state was it the average salary of an MLB player is higher than the average salary of an NFL player

    So they are right there. A baseball player does on average make more than the average football player. And I am right the reason they make more is because the roster size of football are so much larger ,over double then a baseball team. I think only person who’s arguing anything is yourself with yourself.  Maybe as English say you should keep yourself to yourself before you confuse yourself

  • @bjh2130 said:

    There aren't any statistics. There are multiple people on this thread stating that he would make more money in football than in baseball. Which is why Dutch/flying said on average baseball players make more than football players. Then you go and start spouting your nonsensical shit about roster size and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I didn't see Dutch/flying say anything about roster size or cap room you just brought that up yourself. All I saw them state was it the average salary of an MLB player is higher than the average salary of an NFL player

    So they are right there. A baseball player does on average make more than the average football player. And I am right the reason they make more is because the roster size of football are so much larger ,over double then a baseball team. I think only person who’s arguing anything is yourself with yourself.  Maybe as English say you should keep yourself to yourself before you confuse yourself

    @the-gipper said:

    So they are right there. A baseball player does on average make more than the average football player. And I am right the reason they make more is because the roster size of football are so much larger ,over double then a baseball team. I think only person who’s arguing anything is yourself with yourself.  Maybe as English say you should keep yourself to yourself before you confuse yourself

    No one was talking about why. No one cared about why. that was not part of the discussion until you brought it up. It had nothing to do with debate/conversation.

  • @the-gipper said:

    So they are right there. A baseball player does on average make more than the average football player. And I am right the reason they make more is because the roster size of football are so much larger ,over double then a baseball team. I think only person who’s arguing anything is yourself with yourself.  Maybe as English say you should keep yourself to yourself before you confuse yourself

    No one was talking about why. No one cared about why. that was not part of the discussion until you brought it up. It had nothing to do with debate/conversation.

    @bjh2130 said:

    No one was talking about why. No one cared about why. that was not part of the discussion until you brought it up. It had nothing to do with debate/conversation.

    Like I give a fuck. I was talking about it I brought it up and deal with that. 

  • Sigh.

    That's all I can say about this. 

    Sigh. 

  • Sigh.

    That's all I can say about this. 

    Sigh. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Sigh.

    That's all I can say about this. 

    Sigh. 

    It did go downhill quite quickly. 

    For added fuel to the fire.  Read somewhere today that Antwaan Randle El who was drafted in both football and baseball said if he could do it over, he'd play baseball instead.   So there's that.