Inside the Browns front office, ESPN
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I finally read the article, answers a lot of questions ... most of which we figured out on our own here at The Browns Board.
Here is what the writer got wrong:
Haslam elevated defensive coordinator Gregg Williams to interim head coach and Kitchens to offensive coordinator. It looked like another wasted season, with the looming threat of another coaching search and another failed first-round quarterback on top of it.
For those of us that watched the team closely from week to week, never EVER to did Baker feel like a failed anything ... it was the exact opposite of that, we all felt the coaching staff was holding the offense back, Baker certainly wasn't.
When Jackson and Haley were fired the National Media was all "Here they go again, the Browns are such a joke" ... But, we the fans celebrated, because Dorsey now had full control and it is easy to see he knows what he is doing, and it was easy to see we nailed the QB pick.
That was when we were 2-6-1. So suck our collective dicks, national media.
Zombo
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You know, I really enjoyed reading this article and none of it was "shocking". The only thing I kinda reflected on about Haslam was the "why" on what he did before this year.
I consider myself a football dude, I'm sure most if not all of you do as well. What's very clear to me is ol' Jimmy felt the same way and made decisions thinking he was a football guy. In reflection, it's actually pretty hard for me to think I wouldn't have done that as well, given his position. I can't sit there and say I wouldn't have made some decisions as the "guy" that clashed with others. I know it's easy to note that's not what owners SHOULD do, but I can understand why he did. What's apparent though is that he realizes that wasn't the way to go. I'm sure he saw the dollar bills from having a team worth a shit (i.e. the december sell out game) and understood letting go caused that. With that being said, I can understand his early mistakes-can't say I wouldn't have made some of those myself.
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Don't worry my man - I'll try to find you before you appear on a milk carton.
Regardless of what you think of Zegura - that doesn't make an outsider that's focusing more on what happened in 2013 and 2014 as more pertinent to where the Browns are at today my type of go-to guy for updates and current events about this franchise.
Keep in mind, the same Seth Wickersham was writing about the Family Feud in NE (between Brady, Belichick and Kraft) that was destined to sink the ship. Now that NE is moving onto the SB from the ideal working relationships Brady, Belichick and Kraft had together - media suddenly can't stop telling us where Brady and Belichick currently rank with their accomplishments together.
If you swing from your asss and miss the way Wickersham did on NE, time to get that confidence back up attacking the Cleveland Browns. How impressive especially since he didn't time it for when this team was in the process of 1-31 football. Oh no, he waited until more than 365 days later when the enthusiasm of this fan base reached it's highest points since the inexplicable 7-4 start to the 2014 season.
I totally agree, I found the timing of the article odd.
Doesn't change the fact that overwhelmingly it was spot-on, though.
I totally agree, I found the timing of the article odd.
Doesn't change the fact that overwhelmingly it was spot-on, though.
Yeah, again my biggest and main beef from the time I entered the thread and responded to London Browns was the timing of the author. I've mentioned in this thread Jimmy made countless mistakes along the way enough to understand why people were worrying (myself included at times). Today, I'm pumped the franchise took a U-turn from chaos and confusion in 2018.
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I totally agree, I found the timing of the article odd.
Doesn't change the fact that overwhelmingly it was spot-on, though.
Yeah, again my biggest and main beef from the time I entered the thread and responded to London Browns was the timing of the author. I've mentioned in this thread Jimmy made countless mistakes along the way enough to understand why people were worrying (myself included at times). Today, I'm pumped the franchise took a U-turn from chaos and confusion in 2018.
Yeah, again my biggest and main beef from the time I entered the thread and responded to London Browns was the timing of the author. I've mentioned in this thread Jimmy made countless mistakes along the way enough to understand why people were worrying (myself included at times). Today, I'm pumped the franchise took a U-turn from chaos and confusion in 2018.
I don't think the timing is all that strange. The team has seemingly turned the corner and the author mentioned that. It's also about the slowest possible news week in the NFL year with nothing at all happening so it was the perfect time to drop a story like that on NFL fans starved for any sort of "news".
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Top 3 reasons Sashi Brown got fired:
Then Dorsey uses the 0-16 season engineered by Kizer to draft franchise QB Mayfield and the pick obtained from the Watson pick with Houston to draft Pro Bowler Denzel Ward, after collecting Sashi's three first rounders (including Pro Bowler Garrett and S Peppers, who is also from the Watson trade) and we are off to the races ...It's a funny game!
Z
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Top 3 reasons Sashi Brown got fired:
Then Dorsey uses the 0-16 season engineered by Kizer to draft franchise QB Mayfield and the pick obtained from the Watson pick with Houston to draft Pro Bowler Denzel Ward, after collecting Sashi's three first rounders (including Pro Bowler Garrett and S Peppers, who is also from the Watson trade) and we are off to the races ...It's a funny game!
Z
Zombo said:
It's a funny game!
...but as you indicate, Sashi was fired because of the picks he DIDN'T make. We needed a QB....and he let everyone else have them.
The Rams are in the SB. Why? They didn't have any high draft pick to be getting a top notch QB. So they traded all the way up to #1 so they could go to a super bowl.
The Eagles won the SB. They didn't have any high pick to get a top notch QB. So they gladly traded with the dopes at #2 overall pick so THEY could go win a SB.
I've read where at one of the pro days they went to (which they didn't go to many) Sashi asked somebody, Which of these guys are we supposed to be watching? - We were a bunch of hacks.
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As has been said, we are past that now. Haslam is taking a back seat to Dorsey, as far as football decisions go. And Dorsey is doing a good job improving the talent level for his new QB.
I'm reminded of coming out of the Derek Anderson ten win season....we were the trendy pick for the following season....Monday night games, 4 prime timers I think. I remember thinking, This could go awfully bad next year. I had absolutely no faith in Derek Anderson. I felt like we would be embarrassed on prime time. --- THIS YEAR, once again, we're the trendy pick. There's talk of us on prime time often. But I DO NOT have that Derek Anderson Sinking Feeling this time. I have a Baker Mayfield 'DANGEROUS' feeling. I have a, 'We can play with ANYBODY' feeling.
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Zombo said:
It's a funny game!
...but as you indicate, Sashi was fired because of the picks he DIDN'T make. We needed a QB....and he let everyone else have them.
The Rams are in the SB. Why? They didn't have any high draft pick to be getting a top notch QB. So they traded all the way up to #1 so they could go to a super bowl.
The Eagles won the SB. They didn't have any high pick to get a top notch QB. So they gladly traded with the dopes at #2 overall pick so THEY could go win a SB.
I've read where at one of the pro days they went to (which they didn't go to many) Sashi asked somebody, Which of these guys are we supposed to be watching? - We were a bunch of hacks.
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As has been said, we are past that now. Haslam is taking a back seat to Dorsey, as far as football decisions go. And Dorsey is doing a good job improving the talent level for his new QB.
I'm reminded of coming out of the Derek Anderson ten win season....we were the trendy pick for the following season....Monday night games, 4 prime timers I think. I remember thinking, This could go awfully bad next year. I had absolutely no faith in Derek Anderson. I felt like we would be embarrassed on prime time. --- THIS YEAR, once again, we're the trendy pick. There's talk of us on prime time often. But I DO NOT have that Derek Anderson Sinking Feeling this time. I have a Baker Mayfield 'DANGEROUS' feeling. I have a, 'We can play with ANYBODY' feeling.
...but as you indicate, Sashi was fired because of the picks he DIDN'T make. We needed a QB....and he let everyone else have them.
The Rams are in the SB. Why? They didn't have any high draft pick to be getting a top notch QB. So they traded all the way up to #1 so they could go to a super bowl.
The Eagles won the SB. They didn't have any high pick to get a top notch QB. So they gladly traded with the dopes with the 2nd overall pick so THEY could go win a SB.
I've read where at one of the pro days they went to (which they didn't go to many) he asked somebody, Which of these guys are we supposed to be watching? - We were a bunch of hacks.
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As has been said, we are past that now. Haslam is taking a back seat to Dorsey as far as football decisions. And Dorsey is doing a good job improving the talent level for his new QB.
I'm reminded of coming out of the Derek Anderson ten win season....we were the trendy pick for the following season....Monday night games, 4 prime timers I think. I remember thinking, This could go awfully bad next year. I had absolutely no faith in Derek Anderson. I felt like we would be embarrassed on prime time. --- THIS YEAR, once again, we're the trendy pick again. There's talk of us on prime time often next year. But I DO NOT have that Derek Anderson Sinking Feeling this time. I have a Baker Mayfield 'DANGEROUS' feeling. I have a, 'We can play with ANYBODY' feeling.
I couldn't stand DA and I agree that the feeling about Baker is TOTALLY different in a very good way.
Mike
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Top 3 reasons Sashi Brown got fired:
Then Dorsey uses the 0-16 season engineered by Kizer to draft franchise QB Mayfield and the pick obtained from the Watson pick with Houston to draft Pro Bowler Denzel Ward, after collecting Sashi's three first rounders (including Pro Bowler Garrett and S Peppers, who is also from the Watson trade) and we are off to the races ...It's a funny game!
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Zombo said:
Top 3 reasons Sashi Brown got fired:
Then Dorsey uses the 0-16 season engineered by Kizer to draft franchise QBMayfield and the pick obtained from the Watson pick with Houston to draft Pro Bowler Denzel Ward, after collecting Sashi's three first rounders (including Pro Bowler Garrett and S Peppers, who is also from the Watson trade) and we are off to the races ...It's a funny game!
Z
I am and always will be a believer that Sashi Brown got screwed in this whole thing. Don't get me wrong. John Dorsey is absolutely, 100% the right guy to run this team moving forward. However, this was all part of Sashi's plan to burn it to the ground, acquire picks, have very creative and well crafted contracts, and then build it back-up. Yes, they did not select the qb's above, but that was never in the cards. The long game was to acquire assets for the future. IMOP, Trubisky is WAAAAY overrated and should have never been a pro bowler, watson is very good but still struggles in the pocket and mahomes...yeah, he's special and there is nothing bad to say about him. Sashi brown never got the chance to fully execute his plan, and I personally, think that he should get more credit than he does. Dorsey has done a great job, but Sashi absolutely laid the groundwork. Haslam panicked as he does time and time again and never gave the full plan a chance. The browns failures are on Haslam alone for being a terrible owner and not listening to the smarter people in the game. This article painfully paints this picture. One only hopes Haslam actually read the article and had a come to Jesus meeting. Once again, Dorsey is the right man for the job and I have zero qualms about that...but just imagine what him and Sashi brown could have done together.
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Top 3 reasons Sashi Brown got fired:
Then Dorsey uses the 0-16 season engineered by Kizer to draft franchise QB Mayfield and the pick obtained from the Watson pick with Houston to draft Pro Bowler Denzel Ward, after collecting Sashi's three first rounders (including Pro Bowler Garrett and S Peppers, who is also from the Watson trade) and we are off to the races ...It's a funny game!
Z
Zombo said:
Top 3 reasons Sashi Brown got fired:
Then Dorsey uses the 0-16 season engineered by Kizer to draft franchise QBMayfield and the pick obtained from the Watson pick with Houston to draft Pro Bowler Denzel Ward, after collecting Sashi's three first rounders (including Pro Bowler Garrett and S Peppers, who is also from the Watson trade) and we are off to the races ...It's a funny game!
Z
But even Sashimi had no clue (courtesy of an incompetent coach) would result in 0-16....
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1.) John Dorsey has added 4 players on roster by attaching draft picks. 2.) JD has traded 9 players adding draft picks. 3.) JD moved up once, & down once, last draft moving picks. 4.)Combining JD's time here & KC he has traded with 49'ers 5 times, 3 times with Zona & Bills, Twice with Jags & GB. Once with TB,Mia.,Skins & Car..They all sit above us at #17. 5.) Other teams that JD has build trading business with? Pats. 3 times, Vikings twice. Once TB,Dallas & Seattle. Most of these teams GM's are still around...We own 2 3th & 3 5th round picks...I'd expect more wheelin & dealing in the coming months.. set over/under of browns draft picks at draft of maybe 7 or 8?
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Zombo said:
Top 3 reasons Sashi Brown got fired:
Then Dorsey uses the 0-16 season engineered by Kizer to draft franchise QBMayfield and the pick obtained from the Watson pick with Houston to draft Pro Bowler Denzel Ward, after collecting Sashi's three first rounders (including Pro Bowler Garrett and S Peppers, who is also from the Watson trade) and we are off to the races ...It's a funny game!
Z
I am and always will be a believer that Sashi Brown got screwed in this whole thing. Don't get me wrong. John Dorsey is absolutely, 100% the right guy to run this team moving forward. However, this was all part of Sashi's plan to burn it to the ground, acquire picks, have very creative and well crafted contracts, and then build it back-up. Yes, they did not select the qb's above, but that was never in the cards. The long game was to acquire assets for the future. IMOP, Trubisky is WAAAAY overrated and should have never been a pro bowler, watson is very good but still struggles in the pocket and mahomes...yeah, he's special and there is nothing bad to say about him. Sashi brown never got the chance to fully execute his plan, and I personally, think that he should get more credit than he does. Dorsey has done a great job, but Sashi absolutely laid the groundwork. Haslam panicked as he does time and time again and never gave the full plan a chance. The browns failures are on Haslam alone for being a terrible owner and not listening to the smarter people in the game. This article painfully paints this picture. One only hopes Haslam actually read the article and had a come to Jesus meeting. Once again, Dorsey is the right man for the job and I have zero qualms about that...but just imagine what him and Sashi brown could have done together.
I am and always will be a believer that Sashi Brown got screwed in this whole thing. Don't get me wrong. John Dorsey is absolutely, 100% the right guy to run this team moving forward. However, this was all part of Sashi's plan to burn it to the ground, acquire picks, have very creative and well crafted contracts, and then build it back-up. Yes, they did not select the qb's above, but that was never in the cards. The long game was to acquire assets for the future. IMOP, Trubisky is WAAAAY overrated and should have never been a pro bowler, watson is very good but still struggles in the pocket and mahomes...yeah, he's special and there is nothing bad to say about him. Sashi brown never got the chance to fully execute his plan, and I personally, think that he should get more credit than he does. Dorsey has done a great job, but Sashi absolutely laid the groundwork. Haslam panicked as he does time and time again and never gave the full plan a chance. The browns failures are on Haslam alone for being a terrible owner and not listening to the smarter people in the game. This article painfully paints this picture. One only hopes Haslam actually read the article and had a come to Jesus meeting. Once again, Dorsey is the right man for the job and I have zero qualms about that...but just imagine what him and Sashi brown could have done together.
There's some truth to this, but there's also the truth that one of his two drafts were pretty much a huge swing and a miss. (Sashi's second is looking much better.) The 2016 Draft was, sans Joe Schobert, mediocre to horrible.
The problem is, a complete rebuild sounds great in theory, but a lot of times the guys who endure it do not get to stick around to reap the benefits. That's a big reason the Browns struggled to fill the head coach gig when they started in 1999. Brian Billick is on record saying he didn't want to do all the hard work of working with an expansion team to only get fired and have it given to someone else.
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Zombo said:
It's a funny game!
...but as you indicate, Sashi was fired because of the picks he DIDN'T make. We needed a QB....and he let everyone else have them.
The Rams are in the SB. Why? They didn't have any high draft pick to be getting a top notch QB. So they traded all the way up to #1 so they could go to a super bowl.
The Eagles won the SB. They didn't have any high pick to get a top notch QB. So they gladly traded with the dopes at #2 overall pick so THEY could go win a SB.
I've read where at one of the pro days they went to (which they didn't go to many) Sashi asked somebody, Which of these guys are we supposed to be watching? - We were a bunch of hacks.
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As has been said, we are past that now. Haslam is taking a back seat to Dorsey, as far as football decisions go. And Dorsey is doing a good job improving the talent level for his new QB.
I'm reminded of coming out of the Derek Anderson ten win season....we were the trendy pick for the following season....Monday night games, 4 prime timers I think. I remember thinking, This could go awfully bad next year. I had absolutely no faith in Derek Anderson. I felt like we would be embarrassed on prime time. --- THIS YEAR, once again, we're the trendy pick. There's talk of us on prime time often. But I DO NOT have that Derek Anderson Sinking Feeling this time. I have a Baker Mayfield 'DANGEROUS' feeling. I have a, 'We can play with ANYBODY' feeling.
...but as you indicate, Sashi was fired because of the picks he DIDN'T make. We needed a QB....and he let everyone else have them.
The Rams are in the SB. Why? They didn't have any high draft pick to be getting a top notch QB. So they traded all the way up to #1 so they could go to a super bowl.
The Eagles won the SB. They didn't have any high pick to get a top notch QB. So they gladly traded with the dopes at #2 overall pick so THEY could go win a SB.
I've read where at one of the pro days they went to (which they didn't go to many) Sashi asked somebody, Which of these guys are we supposed to be watching? - We were a bunch of hacks.
I could swear that Foles won the SB for the Eagles and Goff was the QB we had atop our board. Guess my memory is bad.
And some people still do not understand Sashi's role. At this point it has to be willful. There's simply no other possibility...
As Z's "three top reasons"... Only Mahommes looks like the sure thing and precious few had him penciled in as that.
Watson stayed healthy this year but looked ordinary in many games... especially when the lights were brightest.
Trubs? Looks like Dilfer with wheels so far.
As a bonus I remind folks that Wentz is O-fer when it comes to seasons finished.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I am and always will be a believer that Sashi Brown got screwed in this whole thing. Don't get me wrong. John Dorsey is absolutely, 100% the right guy to run this team moving forward. However, this was all part of Sashi's plan to burn it to the ground, acquire picks, have very creative and well crafted contracts, and then build it back-up. Yes, they did not select the qb's above, but that was never in the cards. The long game was to acquire assets for the future. IMOP, Trubisky is WAAAAY overrated and should have never been a pro bowler, watson is very good but still struggles in the pocket and mahomes...yeah, he's special and there is nothing bad to say about him. Sashi brown never got the chance to fully execute his plan, and I personally, think that he should get more credit than he does. Dorsey has done a great job, but Sashi absolutely laid the groundwork. Haslam panicked as he does time and time again and never gave the full plan a chance. The browns failures are on Haslam alone for being a terrible owner and not listening to the smarter people in the game. This article painfully paints this picture. One only hopes Haslam actually read the article and had a come to Jesus meeting. Once again, Dorsey is the right man for the job and I have zero qualms about that...but just imagine what him and Sashi brown could have done together.
There's some truth to this, but there's also the truth that one of his two drafts were pretty much a huge swing and a miss. (Sashi's second is looking much better.) The 2016 Draft was, sans Joe Schobert, mediocre to horrible.
The problem is, a complete rebuild sounds great in theory, but a lot of times the guys who endure it do not get to stick around to reap the benefits. That's a big reason the Browns struggled to fill the head coach gig when they started in 1999. Brian Billick is on record saying he didn't want to do all the hard work of working with an expansion team to only get fired and have it given to someone else.
There's some truth to this, but there's also the truth that one of his two drafts were pretty much a huge swing and a miss. (Sashi's second is looking much better.) The 2016 Draft was, sans Joe Schobert, mediocre to horrible.
The problem is, a complete rebuild sounds great in theory, but a lot of times the guys who endure it do not get to stick around to reap the benefits. That's a big reason the Browns struggled to fill the head coach gig when they started in 1999. Brian Billick is on record saying he didn't want to do all the hard work of working with an expansion team to only get fired and have it given to someone else.
Completely agree. I think that maybe had we drafted Goff and he would have sunk in the Browns (just like he did with Fischer at Rams), but getting Coleman instead of Michael Thomas is one of those things you keep remembering every time you watch the Saints.
He lost credit on the 2016 draft and then Hue didn't help him either. That's why I didn't like when they kept Hue: either you fired Jackson or both, but not only Sashi. Offense was awful and a blind squirrel could see it was because of bad coaching.
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Zombo said:
Top 3 reasons Sashi Brown got fired:
Then Dorsey uses the 0-16 season engineered by Kizer to draft franchise QBMayfield and the pick obtained from the Watson pick with Houston to draft Pro Bowler Denzel Ward, after collecting Sashi's three first rounders (including Pro Bowler Garrett and S Peppers, who is also from the Watson trade) and we are off to the races ...It's a funny game!
Z
I am and always will be a believer that Sashi Brown got screwed in this whole thing. Don't get me wrong. John Dorsey is absolutely, 100% the right guy to run this team moving forward. However, this was all part of Sashi's plan to burn it to the ground, acquire picks, have very creative and well crafted contracts, and then build it back-up. Yes, they did not select the qb's above, but that was never in the cards. The long game was to acquire assets for the future. IMOP, Trubisky is WAAAAY overrated and should have never been a pro bowler, watson is very good but still struggles in the pocket and mahomes...yeah, he's special and there is nothing bad to say about him. Sashi brown never got the chance to fully execute his plan, and I personally, think that he should get more credit than he does. Dorsey has done a great job, but Sashi absolutely laid the groundwork. Haslam panicked as he does time and time again and never gave the full plan a chance. The browns failures are on Haslam alone for being a terrible owner and not listening to the smarter people in the game. This article painfully paints this picture. One only hopes Haslam actually read the article and had a come to Jesus meeting. Once again, Dorsey is the right man for the job and I have zero qualms about that...but just imagine what him and Sashi brown could have done together.
I am and always will be a believer that Sashi Brown got screwed in this whole thing. Don't get me wrong. John Dorsey is absolutely, 100% the right guy to run this team moving forward. However, this was all part of Sashi's plan to burn it to the ground, acquire picks, have very creative and well crafted contracts, and then build it back-up. Yes, they did not select the qb's above, but that was never in the cards. The long game was to acquire assets for the future. IMOP, Trubisky is WAAAAY overrated and should have never been a pro bowler, watson is very good but still struggles in the pocket and mahomes...yeah, he's special and there is nothing bad to say about him. Sashi brown never got the chance to fully execute his plan, and I personally, think that he should get more credit than he does. Dorsey has done a great job, but Sashi absolutely laid the groundwork. Haslam panicked as he does time and time again and never gave the full plan a chance. The browns failures are on Haslam alone for being a terrible owner and not listening to the smarter people in the game. This article painfully paints this picture. One only hopes Haslam actually read the article and had a come to Jesus meeting. Once again, Dorsey is the right man for the job and I have zero qualms about that...but just imagine what him and Sashi brown could have done together.
Damn you're smart...
Same sentiments here, but even I never had the thought in bold cross my mind. Even as big as I fear JD's ego is, Sashi just might have made their relationship work.
1.) John Dorsey has added 4 players on roster by attaching draft picks. 2.) JD has traded 9 players adding draft picks. 3.) JD moved up once, & down once, last draft moving picks. 4.)Combining JD's time here & KC he has traded with 49'ers 5 times, 3 times with Zona & Bills, Twice with Jags & GB. Once with TB,Mia.,Skins & Car..They all sit above us at #17. 5.) Other teams that JD has build trading business with? Pats. 3 times, Vikings twice. Once TB,Dallas & Seattle. Most of these teams GM's are still around...We own 2 3th & 3 5th round picks...I'd expect more wheelin & dealing in the coming months.. set over/under of browns draft picks at draft of maybe 7 or 8?
Good stuff here...
NFL GMs make up a small club where relationships are very important. His failure to grasp that was one of Sashi's flaws... quite possibly his biggest. I remember reports that other GMs began to dislike him because he tried to "win" every deal. Dorsey seems to have a "win-win" mentality that builds these relationships. Some of their difference is likely attributable to their differing levels of security in their jobs.
There's some truth to this, but there's also the truth that one of his two drafts were pretty much a huge swing and a miss. (Sashi's second is looking much better.) The 2016 Draft was, sans Joe Schobert, mediocre to horrible.
The problem is, a complete rebuild sounds great in theory, but a lot of times the guys who endure it do not get to stick around to reap the benefits. That's a big reason the Browns struggled to fill the head coach gig when they started in 1999. Brian Billick is on record saying he didn't want to do all the hard work of working with an expansion team to only get fired and have it given to someone else.
As I've said before allowances have to made for Sashi's first draft. There simply was not time to implement the revolutionary new FO approach Jimmah signed up for. Even at that you overlook Ogbah, Kindred, DeValve and, last but not least, Higgins, who finally showed his promise in 2018. Your oversights may not boost our 2016 Draft dramatically, but are more than enough to take "horrible" off the table with "good" in its place.
Billick was prescient wasn't he? From the outside he saw Jimmah's end game... ending a four-year plan after two years. I can practically hear Jimmah when he fired Sashi, "What can I say Sash... you fucked up... you trusted me."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
...but as you indicate, Sashi was fired because of the picks he DIDN'T make. We needed a QB....and he let everyone else have them.
The Rams are in the SB. Why? They didn't have any high draft pick to be getting a top notch QB. So they traded all the way up to #1 so they could go to a super bowl.
The Eagles won the SB. They didn't have any high pick to get a top notch QB. So they gladly traded with the dopes at #2 overall pick so THEY could go win a SB.
I've read where at one of the pro days they went to (which they didn't go to many) Sashi asked somebody, Which of these guys are we supposed to be watching? - We were a bunch of hacks.
I could swear that Foles won the SB for the Eagles and Goff was the QB we had atop our board. Guess my memory is bad.
And some people still do not understand Sashi's role. At this point it has to be willful. There's simply no other possibility...
As Z's "three top reasons"... Only Mahommes looks like the sure thing and precious few had him penciled in as that.
Watson stayed healthy this year but looked ordinary in many games... especially when the lights were brightest.
Trubs? Looks like Dilfer with wheels so far.
As a bonus I remind folks that Wentz is O-fer when it comes to seasons finished.
I could swear that Foles won the SB for the Eagles and Goff was the QB we had atop our board. Guess my memory is bad.
And some people still do not understand Sashi's role. At this point it has to be willful. There's simply no other possibility...
As Z's "three top reasons"... Only Mahommes looks like the sure thing and precious few had him penciled in as that.
Watson stayed healthy this year but looked ordinary in many games... especially when the lights were brightest.
Trubs? Looks like Dilfer with wheels so far.
As a bonus I remind folks that Wentz is O-fer when it comes to seasons finished.
My Top three reasons were: "He didn't identify the quarterback, He didn't identify the quarterback, He didn't identify the quarterback."
Did Sashi do what ownership wanted him to do? Yes. He went along with the plan
But ownership is fickle, and impatient. That's not Sashi's fault ... it's just the truth. And Sashi was supposed to not only scorch earth, but he was to pick the right players when he did pick. And ownership was looking (at the time Sashi was fired) at Wentz have an MVP-type season and Watson was having a rookie season for the ages and our QB corral consisted of Kizer, Kessler and Hogan, none of whom could even win a football game with the Browns.
Sashi got screwed, but we are all better off for it, because Sashi collected the picks, and now Dorsey makes the picks.
Dorsey took two seconds to cut Kenny Britt, and you knew shit was about to get real. His first two picks, Mayfield and Ward, were not the media and fan favorites, but he nailed them, that is easy to see after one season. Chubb, Calloway, Avery ... 5 starters in one draft.
Sashi set them up, Dorsey knocked them down.
Had Sashi grabbed Watson or Trub or Mahomes as his qb of the future instead of Kizer, he'd probably gotten a longer leash ... but it worked out well, didn't it?
Jimmy tripped into the right guy.
Zombo
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...but as you indicate, Sashi was fired because of the picks he DIDN'T make. We needed a QB....and he let everyone else have them.
The Rams are in the SB. Why? They didn't have any high draft pick to be getting a top notch QB. So they traded all the way up to #1 so they could go to a super bowl.
The Eagles won the SB. They didn't have any high pick to get a top notch QB. So they gladly traded with the dopes at #2 overall pick so THEY could go win a SB.
I've read where at one of the pro days they went to (which they didn't go to many) Sashi asked somebody, Which of these guys are we supposed to be watching? - We were a bunch of hacks.
I could swear that Foles won the SB for the Eagles and Goff was the QB we had atop our board. Guess my memory is bad.
And some people still do not understand Sashi's role. At this point it has to be willful. There's simply no other possibility...
As Z's "three top reasons"... Only Mahommes looks like the sure thing and precious few had him penciled in as that.
Watson stayed healthy this year but looked ordinary in many games... especially when the lights were brightest.
Trubs? Looks like Dilfer with wheels so far.
As a bonus I remind folks that Wentz is O-fer when it comes to seasons finished.
I could swear that Foles won the SB for the Eagles and Goff was the QB we had atop our board. Guess my memory is bad.
And some people still do not understand Sashi's role. At this point it has to be willful. There's simply no other possibility...
As Z's "three top reasons"... Only Mahommes looks like the sure thing and precious few had him penciled in as that.
Watson stayed healthy this year but looked ordinary in many games... especially when the lights were brightest.
Trubs? Looks like Dilfer with wheels so far.
As a bonus I remind folks that Wentz is O-fer when it comes to seasons finished.
Or maybe what should’ve happened is that SawShe should’ve been responsible for making the moves and the trades. But then someone else should’ve been picking the draft picks. His moves were good his pics were terrible.
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...but as you indicate, Sashi was fired because of the picks he DIDN'T make. We needed a QB....and he let everyone else have them.
The Rams are in the SB. Why? They didn't have any high draft pick to be getting a top notch QB. So they traded all the way up to #1 so they could go to a super bowl.
The Eagles won the SB. They didn't have any high pick to get a top notch QB. So they gladly traded with the dopes at #2 overall pick so THEY could go win a SB.
I've read where at one of the pro days they went to (which they didn't go to many) Sashi asked somebody, Which of these guys are we supposed to be watching? - We were a bunch of hacks.
I could swear that Foles won the SB for the Eagles and Goff was the QB we had atop our board. Guess my memory is bad.
And some people still do not understand Sashi's role. At this point it has to be willful. There's simply no other possibility...
As Z's "three top reasons"... Only Mahommes looks like the sure thing and precious few had him penciled in as that.
Watson stayed healthy this year but looked ordinary in many games... especially when the lights were brightest.
Trubs? Looks like Dilfer with wheels so far.
As a bonus I remind folks that Wentz is O-fer when it comes to seasons finished.
I could swear that Foles won the SB for the Eagles and Goff was the QB we had atop our board. Guess my memory is bad. Nope. Your memory is fine. The backup had to finish the season.
And some people still do not understand Sashi's role. At this point it has to be willful. There's simply no other possibility...He was in charge of football. He had the final say if a consensus could not be reached among 'the committee'
As Z's "three top reasons"... Only Mahommes looks like the sure thing and precious few had him penciled in as that.
Watson stayed healthy this year but looked ordinary in many games... especially when the lights were brightest.
Trubs? Looks like Dilfer with wheels so far.
All three in the playoffs.
As a bonus I remind folks that Wentz is O-fer when it comes to seasons finished. Don't say stuff like that to anger the football Gods. We don't have a backup as good as Foles.
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I could swear that Foles won the SB for the Eagles and Goff was the QB we had atop our board. Guess my memory is bad. Nope. Your memory is fine. The backup had to finish the season.
And some people still do not understand Sashi's role. At this point it has to be willful. There's simply no other possibility...He was in charge of football. He had the final say if a consensus could not be reached among 'the committee'
As Z's "three top reasons"... Only Mahommes looks like the sure thing and precious few had him penciled in as that.
Watson stayed healthy this year but looked ordinary in many games... especially when the lights were brightest.
Trubs? Looks like Dilfer with wheels so far.
All three in the playoffs.
As a bonus I remind folks that Wentz is O-fer when it comes to seasons finished. Don't say stuff like that to anger the football Gods. We don't have a backup as good as Foles.
All three in the playoffs.
And this just in... out of the playoffs.
He was in charge of football. He had the final say if a consensus could not be reached among 'the committee'
I stand by my statement. Thanks for proving my point.
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I am not sure why all the Sashi love. The only thing I will give him credit for is sticking to his "plan". The problem with this was there was no flexibility in his plan. So if you come across a franchise QB you might pick him earlier than the plan says because those guys are hard to find. It was just stupid to trade down out of the two spot. I get it, you are tearing things down and want draft picks, well a franchise QB trumps multiple picks. I don't think Sashi could have picked any better player than I could have or most of us during his tenure and to me thats a problem. If us guys on a message board can't many any worse picks then the GM then thats a problem. Dorsey proved in one draft how much better of a talent evaluator he is. Sashi is a nice guy, but I thought he was a terrible GM.
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I am and always will be a believer that Sashi Brown got screwed in this whole thing. Don't get me wrong. John Dorsey is absolutely, 100% the right guy to run this team moving forward. However, this was all part of Sashi's plan to burn it to the ground, acquire picks, have very creative and well crafted contracts, and then build it back-up. Yes, they did not select the qb's above, but that was never in the cards. The long game was to acquire assets for the future. IMOP, Trubisky is WAAAAY overrated and should have never been a pro bowler, watson is very good but still struggles in the pocket and mahomes...yeah, he's special and there is nothing bad to say about him. Sashi brown never got the chance to fully execute his plan, and I personally, think that he should get more credit than he does. Dorsey has done a great job, but Sashi absolutely laid the groundwork. Haslam panicked as he does time and time again and never gave the full plan a chance. The browns failures are on Haslam alone for being a terrible owner and not listening to the smarter people in the game. This article painfully paints this picture. One only hopes Haslam actually read the article and had a come to Jesus meeting. Once again, Dorsey is the right man for the job and I have zero qualms about that...but just imagine what him and Sashi brown could have done together.
Damn you're smart...
Same sentiments here, but even I never had the thought in bold cross my mind. Even as big as I fear JD's ego is, Sashi just might have made their relationship work.
1.) John Dorsey has added 4 players on roster by attaching draft picks. 2.) JD has traded 9 players adding draft picks. 3.) JD moved up once, & down once, last draft moving picks. 4.)Combining JD's time here & KC he has traded with 49'ers 5 times, 3 times with Zona & Bills, Twice with Jags & GB. Once with TB,Mia.,Skins & Car..They all sit above us at #17. 5.) Other teams that JD has build trading business with? Pats. 3 times, Vikings twice. Once TB,Dallas & Seattle. Most of these teams GM's are still around...We own 2 3th & 3 5th round picks...I'd expect more wheelin & dealing in the coming months.. set over/under of browns draft picks at draft of maybe 7 or 8?
Good stuff here...
NFL GMs make up a small club where relationships are very important. His failure to grasp that was one of Sashi's flaws... quite possibly his biggest. I remember reports that other GMs began to dislike him because he tried to "win" every deal. Dorsey seems to have a "win-win" mentality that builds these relationships. Some of their difference is likely attributable to their differing levels of security in their jobs.
There's some truth to this, but there's also the truth that one of his two drafts were pretty much a huge swing and a miss. (Sashi's second is looking much better.) The 2016 Draft was, sans Joe Schobert, mediocre to horrible.
The problem is, a complete rebuild sounds great in theory, but a lot of times the guys who endure it do not get to stick around to reap the benefits. That's a big reason the Browns struggled to fill the head coach gig when they started in 1999. Brian Billick is on record saying he didn't want to do all the hard work of working with an expansion team to only get fired and have it given to someone else.
As I've said before allowances have to made for Sashi's first draft. There simply was not time to implement the revolutionary new FO approach Jimmah signed up for. Even at that you overlook Ogbah, Kindred, DeValve and, last but not least, Higgins, who finally showed his promise in 2018. Your oversights may not boost our 2016 Draft dramatically, but are more than enough to take "horrible" off the table with "good" in its place.
Billick was prescient wasn't he? From the outside he saw Jimmah's end game... ending a four-year plan after two years. I can practically hear Jimmah when he fired Sashi, "What can I say Sash... you fucked up... you trusted me."
I've said before allowances have to made for Sashi's first draft. There simply was not time to implement the revolutionary new FO approach Jimmah signed up for. Even at that you overlook Ogbah, Kindred, DeValve and, last but not least, Higgins, who finally showed his promise in 2018. Your oversights may not boost our 2016 Draft dramatically, but are more than enough to take "horrible" off the table with "good" in its place.
The 2016 Browns draft was "good".
Yeah, I'm not even touching that.
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