Imagine Saquon at 1 and Mayfield at 4
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Another Ghoolie feeble attempt see- I was right. I'm done arguing with the flamebaiter... I'm so glad we don't have to deal with his crap anymore... His audience is continually shrinking... If you wouldn't mind- please don't repost his doings over here, I and most other folks could care less... Next time you see him, tell him OROY Barkley improved the Giants by two wins, 3-13 to 5-11. #2 in the draft to #6... Baker improved the Browns from 0-16 to 7-8-1. #1 in the draft to #17. Baker had far more impact in the W-L column than Barkley.
Also next time you see him tell him Paxton Lynch is a surefire fucktard bust
Also next time you see him tell him Paxton Lynch is a surefire fucktard bust
Even a 5 yr old saw that coming... He never had a chance.. poor sucker... With the name "Paxton" Which is an appropriate name for a dog.. Well I just knew he was not a leader of men...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Rushing & Receiving: Saquon Barkley
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Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 16 16 261 1307 11 78 5.0 81.7 16.3 121 91 721 7.9 4 57 5.7 45.1 352 5.8 2028 15 0 14 2018* 21 NYG RB 26 16 16 261 1307 11 78 5.0 81.7 16.3 121 91 721 7.9 4 57 5.7 45.1 75.2% 352 5.8 2028 15 0 14 -
Rushing & Receiving Nick Chubb
Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 16 9 192 996 8 92 5.2 62.3 12.0 29 20 149 7.5 2 24 1.3 9.3 212 5.4 1145 10 0 6 2018 23 CLE RB 24 16 9 192 996 8 92 5.2 62.3 12.0 29 20 149 7.5 2 24 1.3 9.3 69.0% 212 5.4 1145 10 0 6 Give Nick the same touches...and he is just as productive perhaps.
though I will say the one thing most impressive to me about Barkley is that he had 91 catches. That figure would have been a Browns team record over Ozzie Newsome's record.
The total scrimmage yards were probably what put Saquon over the top. That and hearing Baker didn't play in all 16 games... the NY homers argument is Barkley's production compared favorably to all NFL running backs, but Baker's stats didn't measure up to ALL NFL qbs. Fair enough- but it's a rookie award, and Mayfield's stats blew away any comparison to other rookie qbs....
I remember hearing Belichick and Elway was very high on Baker... Now Ghoulie is on Facebook acting like a tard.. He is saying Barkley was the pick based on OROY pick.. And is trying to convince everyone Baker is average.. LOL.. I basically told him. "And you wonder why you got kicked out of every browns forum in the city".. He stayed quiet after that...
Another Ghoolie feeble attempt see- I was right. I'm done arguing with the flamebaiter... I'm so glad we don't have to deal with his crap anymore... His audience is continually shrinking... If you wouldn't mind- please don't repost his doings over here, I and most other folks could care less... Next time you see him, tell him OROY Barkley improved the Giants by two wins, 3-13 to 5-11. #2 in the draft to #6... Baker improved the Browns from 0-16 to 7-8-1. #1 in the draft to #17. Baker had far more impact in the W-L column than Barkley.
The total scrimmage yards were probably what put Saquon over the top. That and hearing Baker didn't play in all 16 games... the NY homers argument is Barkley's production compared favorably to all NFL running backs, but Baker's stats didn't measure up to ALL NFL qbs. Fair enough- but it's a rookie award, and Mayfield's stats blew away any comparison to other rookie qbs....
Another Ghoolie feeble attempt see- I was right. I'm done arguing with the flamebaiter... I'm so glad we don't have to deal with his crap anymore... His audience is continually shrinking... If you wouldn't mind- please don't repost his doings over here, I and most other folks could care less... Next time you see him, tell him OROY Barkley improved the Giants by two wins, 3-13 to 5-11. #2 in the draft to #6... Baker improved the Browns from 0-16 to 7-8-1. #1 in the draft to #17. Baker had far more impact in the W-L column than Barkley.
Yeah.. I saw an interesting rant from Mike Francesca... basically saying guys like OBJ,Julio Jones and Antonio brown have 0 SB rings... And do nothing for your team but impart drama and bad feelings.. Like we keep saying "Football is a TEAM sport"
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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As much as I admire Saquon, i'll take Chubb actually now that I've seen a season of them. I still want an aux downhill RB to compliment Chubb so that he doesn't have to do the heavy lifting over all 16 games, get him into the playoffs fresh.....but I prefer chubb's running style to Saquons 'in Cleveland". Chubb can get things done imo, better than Saquon in Cleveland once it starts getting cold, windy and snowy. And as people already stated, the acquisition of Ward makes this a moot issue.
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The total scrimmage yards were probably what put Saquon over the top. That and hearing Baker didn't play in all 16 games... the NY homers argument is Barkley's production compared favorably to all NFL running backs, but Baker's stats didn't measure up to ALL NFL qbs. Fair enough- but it's a rookie award, and Mayfield's stats blew away any comparison to other rookie qbs....
Another Ghoolie feeble attempt see- I was right. I'm done arguing with the flamebaiter... I'm so glad we don't have to deal with his crap anymore... His audience is continually shrinking... If you wouldn't mind- please don't repost his doings over here, I and most other folks could care less... Next time you see him, tell him OROY Barkley improved the Giants by two wins, 3-13 to 5-11. #2 in the draft to #6... Baker improved the Browns from 0-16 to 7-8-1. #1 in the draft to #17. Baker had far more impact in the W-L column than Barkley.
Yeah.. I saw an interesting rant from Mike Francesca... basically saying guys like OBJ,Julio Jones and Antonio brown have 0 SB rings... And do nothing for your team but impart drama and bad feelings.. Like we keep saying "Football is a TEAM sport"
Yeah.. I saw an interesting rant from Mike Francesca... basically saying guys like OBJ,Julio Jones and Antonio brown have 0 SB rings... And do nothing for your team but impart drama and bad feelings.. Like we keep saying "Football is a TEAM sport"
We just saw that yesterday. The GOAT Brady (gosh, I hate to say that) has Edelman (the Patriots version of our Jarvis Landry)- and a bunch nobodies at WR and just won another Super Bowl...
Franchise QB trumps franchise running back, every time. I tried to tell you-know-who- Brady now has six rings, that's more than Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Ladainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson- combined.
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Yeah.. I saw an interesting rant from Mike Francesca... basically saying guys like OBJ,Julio Jones and Antonio brown have 0 SB rings... And do nothing for your team but impart drama and bad feelings.. Like we keep saying "Football is a TEAM sport"
We just saw that yesterday. The GOAT Brady (gosh, I hate to say that) has Edelman (the Patriots version of our Jarvis Landry)- and a bunch nobodies at WR and just won another Super Bowl...
Franchise QB trumps franchise running back, every time. I tried to tell you-know-who- Brady now has six rings, that's more than Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Ladainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson- combined.
We just saw that yesterday. The GOAT Brady (gosh, I hate to say that) has Edelman (the Patriots version of our Jarvis Landry)- and a bunch nobodies at WR and just won another Super Bowl...
Franchise QB trumps franchise running back, every time. I tried to tell you-know-who- Brady now has six rings, that's more than Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Ladainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson- combined.
Curious on who may have been the RB that really lead a team to multiple championships.....I will try to check it out.
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We just saw that yesterday. The GOAT Brady (gosh, I hate to say that) has Edelman (the Patriots version of our Jarvis Landry)- and a bunch nobodies at WR and just won another Super Bowl...
Franchise QB trumps franchise running back, every time. I tried to tell you-know-who- Brady now has six rings, that's more than Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Ladainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson- combined.
Curious on who may have been the RB that really lead a team to multiple championships.....I will try to check it out.
Curious on who may have been the RB that really lead a team to multiple championships.....I will try to check it out.
I'll guess probably none... Of the best all time running backs- Emmett Smith, Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, Marcus Allen, Franco Harris who won Super Bowls- the common denominator is they all played on teams loaded with HOF talent at other positions...
The closest I can come up with is John Riggins....
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From what I can garner....the following are the only RBs who may be argued to have "Led" their team to multiple championships in the Super Bowl era, in that they had some major impact on two or more SB games:
Franco Harris
Emmit Smith
Larry Csonka
Roger Craig
Terrell Davis
John Riggins.
But...as Hoorta said....these teams had a lot of other talent going for them in the games they played.
(Steelers: Bradshaw/Swann/Stallworth; Dolphins: Griese/Warfield/Morris; 49ers: Montana/Rice; Davis: Elway; Smith: Aikman/Irvin.)
I DO think that Riggins WAS the leader of the Redskins team that won the title in 1983. Also.....Marcus Allen was the leader of the Raiders in 1983
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We just saw that yesterday. The GOAT Brady (gosh, I hate to say that) has Edelman (the Patriots version of our Jarvis Landry)- and a bunch nobodies at WR and just won another Super Bowl...
Franchise QB trumps franchise running back, every time. I tried to tell you-know-who- Brady now has six rings, that's more than Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Ladainian Tomlinson, and Adrian Peterson- combined.
Curious on who may have been the RB that really lead a team to multiple championships.....I will try to check it out.
Curious on who may have been the RB that really lead a team to multiple championships.....I will try to check it out.
Terrell Davis.
Zombo
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Curious on who may have been the RB that really lead a team to multiple championships.....I will try to check it out.
Terrell Davis.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Terrell Davis.
Zombo
He was a major factor in one game......scored 3 TDs. In the other, not so much, No TDs...though he did like do a job of running out the clock. That was Elway's game.
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I guess this is the first "I'm bored, let's discuss about the weather" topic of the offseason.
It came earlier than I expected.
I guess this is the first "I'm bored, let's discuss about the weather" topic of the offseason.
It came earlier than I expected.
I don't think this is boring....it is much more interesting to me than most of the shit that is piled on here.
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I don't think this is boring....it is much more interesting to me than most of the shit that is piled on here.
The topic is one year late...
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Zombo said:
Terrell Davis.
Zombo
He was a major factor in one game......scored 3 TDs. In the other, not so much, No TDs...though he did like do a job of running out the clock. That was Elway's game.
He was a major factor in one game......scored 3 TDs. In the other, not so much, No TDs...though he did like do a job of running out the clock. That was Elway's game.
You are talking about the actual game?
By "leading a team to multiple championships" it took it to mean the MVP of the team, Davis was their best player both years they won.
Zombo
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I don't think this is boring....it is much more interesting to me than most of the shit that is piled on here.
The topic is one year late...
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He was a major factor in one game......scored 3 TDs. In the other, not so much, No TDs...though he did like do a job of running out the clock. That was Elway's game.
You are talking about the actual game?
By "leading a team to multiple championships" it took it to mean the MVP of the team, Davis was their best player both years they won.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You are talking about the actual game?
By "leading a team to multiple championships" it took it to mean the MVP of the team, Davis was their best player both years they won.
Zombo
I was basically talking about the actual Super Bowl game yes. But, if you want to extrapolate it out to the entire seasons....OK. Was TD really the MVP of that team BOTH of those seasons? Even over Elway both years?
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Zombo said:
You are talking about the actual game?
By "leading a team to multiple championships" it took it to mean the MVP of the team, Davis was their best player both years they won.
Zombo
I was basically talking about the actual Super Bowl game yes. But, if you want to extrapolate it out to the entire seasons....OK. Was TD really the MVP of that team BOTH of those seasons? Even over Elway both years?
I was basically talking about the actual Super Bowl game yes. But, if you want to extrapolate it out to the entire seasons....OK. Was TD really the MVP of that team BOTH of those seasons? Even over Elway both years?
Davis was First Team All Pro Both Seasons and MVP of the League in 98.
He ran for 3,758 yards and 36 TDs over the two championship seasons. Elway, while stile very effective, was coming off some .500 seasons before they found a running game with Davis.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Terrell Davis.
Zombo
He was a major factor in one game......scored 3 TDs. In the other, not so much, No TDs...though he did like do a job of running out the clock. That was Elway's game.
He was a major factor in one game......scored 3 TDs. In the other, not so much, No TDs...though he did like do a job of running out the clock. That was Elway's game.
Zombo said:
Davis was First Team All Pro Both Seasons and MVP of the League in 98.
He ran for 3,758 yards and 36 TDs over the two championship seasons. Elway, while stile very effective, was coming off some .500 seasons before they found a running game with Davis.
Zombo
OK, I'll buy that one... My initial thought was not just MVP of the Super Bowl- it was which running back was the de facto leader of the offense that got them there besides.... That narrows it down to Davis and Riggins....
Which reinforces what my initial point was. Having a top running back is nice, but it's rarely the ticket to the Super Bowl.... And as WSS (sort of) said, you can bet it would take the Giants about two seconds to decide to trade Saquon to the Browns for Mayfield straight up....
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Droooooooolllll
Discuss
No thanks. Mayfield/Ward/Chubb is better than Barkley and hoping that Mayfield would be there at 4. Stupid topic a year later....why not imagine the players we have getting better instead of always focusing on the players who don't play here. I don't understand it. The Browns are a good young team and should only get better next season and in the years to come but some of you still want to live in the past and wish and hope for other players. Blows my mind..
No thanks. Mayfield/Ward/Chubb is better than Barkley and hoping that Mayfield would be there at 4. Stupid topic a year later....why not imagine the players we have getting better instead of always focusing on the players who don't play here. I don't understand it. The Browns are a good young team and should only get better next season and in the years to come but some of you still want to live in the past and wish and hope for other players. Blows my mind..
Perfectly stated Mark & I'll never be able to prove it, but there is no way Baker would be there at 4.
BTW, Baker, Ward, & Chubb were the 3 I wanted, in that order. I sweated bullets when we didn't grab Chubb with our FIRST 2nd round pick. I was elated he was still there for us with our 2nd round 2 pick & ecstatic when we took him.
Mike
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