Vernon traded to Browns In Exchange For Kevin Zeitler
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Where does he play?
DT
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I would've kept Zeitler for continuity alone, but i guess dorsey figures zeitler would eventually leave us.
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Last seasons top edge rushers .....Vernon played 11 games
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depending on one's opinion of PFF...
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-giants-browns-both-win-in-blockbuster-vernon-zeitler-trade
still productive regardless of where his is in his career arc
I think highly of Vernon and knew he would be good when NY picked him up.
However I don't like messing with the line cohesion for a young QB. That said, identify who we want there now and that will help to ease my mind.
Pass rush just got a lot better.
I think highly of Vernon and knew he would be good when NY picked him up.
However I don't like messing with the line cohesion for a young QB. That said, identify who we want there now and that will help to ease my mind.
Pass rush just got a lot better.
That was my firsts reaction...the iOL certainly dictated the offense, and was great by most measures. But that was an awful lot of money to have tied up in OG. Question will be if Corbett is at replacement level, and looks like buddy boy has pushed in those chips (kinda explains the headscratcher of the pick at the time). Knew he had too much salary in guards, and prepped a replacement for one of them.
Salary being almost a wash, pash rush has been upgraded and improved draft position at the cost of perceived OL continuity/regression, which redistributing salary to the appropriate positions. While it's easy to worry about Corbett, I'll save my hand ringing for TC when we can see how things are meshing.
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I think highly of Vernon and knew he would be good when NY picked him up.
However I don't like messing with the line cohesion for a young QB. That said, identify who we want there now and that will help to ease my mind.
Pass rush just got a lot better.
That was my firsts reaction...the iOL certainly dictated the offense, and was great by most measures. But that was an awful lot of money to have tied up in OG. Question will be if Corbett is at replacement level, and looks like buddy boy has pushed in those chips (kinda explains the headscratcher of the pick at the time). Knew he had too much salary in guards, and prepped a replacement for one of them.
Salary being almost a wash, pash rush has been upgraded and improved draft position at the cost of perceived OL continuity/regression, which redistributing salary to the appropriate positions. While it's easy to worry about Corbett, I'll save my hand ringing for TC when we can see how things are meshing.
That was my firsts reaction...the iOL certainly dictated the offense, and was great by most measures. But that was an awful lot of money to have tied up in OG. Question will be if Corbett is at replacement level, and looks like buddy boy has pushed in those chips (kinda explains the headscratcher of the pick at the time). Knew he had too much salary in guards, and prepped a replacement for one of them.
Salary being almost a wash, pash rush has been upgraded and improved draft position at the cost of perceived OL continuity/regression, which redistributing salary to the appropriate positions. While it's easy to worry about Corbett, I'll save my hand ringing for TC when we can see how things are meshing.
And, as many have said, who is to say that they won't pick up an OG here. There are a few out there in FA: Saffold was mentioned. Age 31 Jamon Brown (formerly of Giants) age 27. AJ Cann of Jags also 27
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This was our big move to help shore up the LDE spot? a 28 yr old going on his 3rd contract? I wanna hear that Ansah and Flowers were approached but either didn't want to come to Clev or wanted too much. And yeah, giving up an OL just when our OL started to gel? another head scratcher.
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Am l crazy for thinking Watford was a decent guard? I know we didn’t see him much during the regular season but he got in a few packages as an extra blocker.
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Am l crazy for thinking Watford was a decent guard? I know we didn’t see him much during the regular season but he got in a few packages as an extra blocker.
Am l crazy for thinking Watford was a decent guard? I know we didn’t see him much during the regular season but he got in a few packages as an extra blocker.
You probably are crazy.....for thinking that, and for many other reasons
But, who knows, you may be right.
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So Moving Zeitler was right, hate to see him leave, great in pass pro. Wrong player though. Knew the Giants wouldn't move OBJ for anything less than a team offering a crackhead deal. Corbett has some big shoes to fill at guard, he better be ready.
So Moving Zeitler was right, hate to see him leave, great in pass pro. Wrong player though. Knew the Giants wouldn't move OBJ for anything less than a team offering a crackhead deal. Corbett has some big shoes to fill at guard, he better be ready.
I imagine there will be a guard drafted as well and it looks good for guards this year.
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Vernon is one twitchy ass mofo. That being said, every single snap is from the RDE spot in 2019. I hope that's just the way it happened and that he's not like Forest Gumpy out there on the other side. Cause Garrett is like half the edge rusher from the LDE spot. There's just some dudes who HAVE to come off one side or the other, they are not "ambidextrous".
But if Vernon can give us that level of productivity, im ok with the trade. Especially since we have depth there with Smith and Avery.
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I don't like fucking around with the offensive line.
WSS
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Maybe we can also grab the newly cut Malik Jackson as well?
Where does he play?
Where does he play?
Defensive Tackle Gip.
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Strongly disagree. He still has another big payday after these 2 years. And it probably won’t be as a Brown.
We'll worry about that in 2021....
This was our big move to help shore up the LDE spot? a 28 yr old going on his 3rd contract? I wanna hear that Ansah and Flowers were approached but either didn't want to come to Clev or wanted too much. And yeah, giving up an OL just when our OL started to gel? another head scratcher.
You're the only one around here who was banging the drum for Ansah. Ziggy and Vernon are almost exactly the same age. Take it to the bank Ansah is going to want a contract for more than two years, and probably more guaranteed than the $30 million we're on the hook for Vernon. Yeah, he's probably a better player than Vernon when healthy. He wasn't last year, and you can bet Dorsey took that into consideration.
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Well had all afternoon to stew on this.. Losing a quality OL really had me worried(still does).. Baker needs the best protection we can afford to buy for him.. BUT GOD DAMN, watching the film on Vernon has be fucking salivating...
This isn't a knock on Garret(well maybe), but he tends to be a one trick pony. He is super fast trying to get around the OL, and is very good at that, but more times than not, the QB just steps inside and its for nothing...
Watching that video of Vernon has me envisioning the QB being forced inside lest Garret strips him or sacks his ass, but then you got Vernon who seems to have next level hands and inside moves and bull rushes that Garret has yet to show.. Imagine Garrent flying around the outside and pushing the runner/QB back inside, where last year they ate us alive.
Vernon seems to sense better where the play is going, whereas Garret is one minded in what he is doing(the going around the edge thing he does). Vernon from the film I've seen looks like a person who understands the playbook. Like Shoebert or Baker, he knows where the play is going and seems to anticipate instead of reacting... This could be so good for us.. Someone who can work the outside but not get caught out there while the play goes inside. He seems to be able to do both.
And hopefully that can rub off on Garret who needs a few more tricks up his sleeve.
BobPound
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Strongly disagree. He still has another big payday after these 2 years. And it probably won’t be as a Brown.
We'll worry about that in 2021....
This was our big move to help shore up the LDE spot? a 28 yr old going on his 3rd contract? I wanna hear that Ansah and Flowers were approached but either didn't want to come to Clev or wanted too much. And yeah, giving up an OL just when our OL started to gel? another head scratcher.
You're the only one around here who was banging the drum for Ansah. Ziggy and Vernon are almost exactly the same age. Take it to the bank Ansah is going to want a contract for more than two years, and probably more guaranteed than the $30 million we're on the hook for Vernon. Yeah, he's probably a better player than Vernon when healthy. He wasn't last year, and you can bet Dorsey took that into consideration.
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