Vernon traded to Browns In Exchange For Kevin Zeitler
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While clearly tentative discussion had to have been going on for a while, I think the Texans tagging Clowney prompted pulling the trigger on this alternative.
Good deal? Yes, provided VO stays healthy... or at least healthier than he's been the past two seasons.
As for the OL concerns some have posted. Dorsey ain't gettin' Baker killed so at least he has confidence that Corbett is ready. In fact Austin likely would have played well last season had he been given the chance.
That said... will there be an OG fall-off? Absolutely... Zeit posted a great year... arguably his best... but to trade into a little fall-off at OG to set MG up for a BIG year is a deal all should welcome.
As for the OL concerns some have posted. Dorsey ain't gettin' Baker killed so at least he has confidence that Corbett is ready. In fact Austin likely would have played well last season had he been given the chance.
That said... will there be an OG fall-off? Absolutely... Zeit posted a great year... arguably his best... but to trade into a little fall-off at OG to set MG up for a BIG year is a deal all should welcome.
Sign FA G/C Mitch Morse please..no sacks in over 1500 snaps & dorsey drafted him..make Corbett earn it. am so tired of watching high drafted handouts sitting on cap space..Easy targets on Hubbard/Corbett coming soon & Tretter is no spring chicken.. EDit--those looking for OV at both DE's? need to watch more ACC football
..Look at The U in Miami OV highlights..Am still a little stunned Dorsey made this move due to comparing injury historys .. but OV has played with his hair on fire ?since college..a big time motor guy to add to our rotation..big wingspan right at Big Ben's eyeballs..Big Z your going to be missed in my book..Good career start in Cinn. followed to the Browns..Pro bowls await blocking with S.Barkley? Good Luck, Big Z!!
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Well here is a novel thought. What about playing him at RDE, Ogbah stays at LDE and move Garrett into a DT spot right next to Ogujobi? There were multiple plays last year when Garrett switched to DT and was an absolute nightmare for the C & G, constantly splitting them and forcing early throws, stopped runs and even a sack/flush or two. Think about it. If Garrett is right next to Ogbah, don't you think the combined sack total and run stopping goes up between those two and Vernon combined that way?
Well here is a novel thought. What about playing him at RDE, Ogbah stays at LDE and move Garrett into a DT spot right next to Ogujobi? There were multiple plays last year when Garrett switched to DT and was an absolute nightmare for the C & G, constantly splitting them and forcing early throws, stopped runs and even a sack/flush or two. Think about it. If Garrett is right next to Ogbah, don't you think the combined sack total and run stopping goes up between those two and Vernon combined that way?
That's an interesting thought!
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Well here is a novel thought. What about playing him at RDE, Ogbah stays at LDE and move Garrett into a DT spot right next to Ogujobi? There were multiple plays last year when Garrett switched to DT and was an absolute nightmare for the C & G, constantly splitting them and forcing early throws, stopped runs and even a sack/flush or two. Think about it. If Garrett is right next to Ogbah, don't you think the combined sack total and run stopping goes up between those two and Vernon combined that way?
Well here is a novel thought. What about playing him at RDE, Ogbah stays at LDE and move Garrett into a DT spot right next to Ogujobi? There were multiple plays last year when Garrett switched to DT and was an absolute nightmare for the C & G, constantly splitting them and forcing early throws, stopped runs and even a sack/flush or two. Think about it. If Garrett is right next to Ogbah, don't you think the combined sack total and run stopping goes up between those two and Vernon combined that way?
In subpackages I'm sure that is very much in the works. You can scheme a variety of stunts/twists and movement to get your 4 best players, including your #1 into a disruptive position.
But if you're talking about sliding Garrett inside on early downs to do work against the run? .... not so much.
Side note: Vernon always reminded me of Trent Cole.
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As for the OL concerns some have posted. Dorsey ain't gettin' Baker killed so at least he has confidence that Corbett is ready. In fact Austin likely would have played well last season had he been given the chance.
That said... will there be an OG fall-off? Absolutely... Zeit posted a great year... arguably his best... but to trade into a little fall-off at OG to set MG up for a BIG year is a deal all should welcome.
Sign FA G/C Mitch Morse please..no sacks in over 1500 snaps & dorsey drafted him..make Corbett earn it. am so tired of watching high drafted handouts sitting on cap space..Easy targets on Hubbard/Corbett coming soon & Tretter is no spring chicken.. EDit--those looking for OV at both DE's? need to watch more ACC football
..Look at The U in Miami OV highlights..Am still a little stunned Dorsey made this move due to comparing injury historys .. but OV has played with his hair on fire ?since college..a big time motor guy to add to our rotation..big wingspan right at Big Ben's eyeballs..Big Z your going to be missed in my book..Good career start in Cinn. followed to the Browns..Pro bowls await blocking with S.Barkley? Good Luck, Big Z!!
Sign FA G/C Mitch Morse please..
+1...
I really liked Mitch's Missou tape at OT. Wanted him early Day 3 when he came out, but turned out he was an early Day 2er...
Thought he might end up inside, but I was thinking OG not OC.
Below is from my 2015 Sleeper thread...
Mitch Morse (OG) Missou: Was an OT, but needs to move inside a la Ty Sambrailo. His Combine numbers were not quite Marpetesque, but they are close. Well suited to our ZBS.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Sign FA G/C Mitch Morse please..
+1...
I really liked Mitch's Missou tape at OT. Wanted him early Day 3 when he came out, but turned out he was an early Day 2er...
Thought he might end up inside, but I was thinking OG not OC.
Below is from my 2015 Sleeper thread...
Mitch Morse (OG) Missou: Was an OT, but needs to move inside a la Ty Sambrailo. His Combine numbers were not quite Marpetesque, but they are close. Well suited to our ZBS.
+1...
I really liked Mitch's Missou tape at OT. Wanted him early Day 3 when he came out, but turned out he was an early Day 2er...
Thought he might end up inside, but I was thinking OG not OC.
Below is from my 2015 Sleeper thread...
did some peeking around after posting & Paradis & Morse maybe looking for more like 10M/year
..Mitch has had a concussion & a foot injury.than Reiter made him axe-spend$able.reports say Corbett missed 2 games to coaches decision & 3 games to a foot injury..what foot injury? or injury my foot? 
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Well here is a novel thought. What about playing him at RDE, Ogbah stays at LDE and move Garrett into a DT spot right next to Ogujobi? There were multiple plays last year when Garrett switched to DT and was an absolute nightmare for the C & G, constantly splitting them and forcing early throws, stopped runs and even a sack/flush or two. Think about it. If Garrett is right next to Ogbah, don't you think the combined sack total and run stopping goes up between those two and Vernon combined that way?
Well here is a novel thought. What about playing him at RDE, Ogbah stays at LDE and move Garrett into a DT spot right next to Ogujobi? There were multiple plays last year when Garrett switched to DT and was an absolute nightmare for the C & G, constantly splitting them and forcing early throws, stopped runs and even a sack/flush or two. Think about it. If Garrett is right next to Ogbah, don't you think the combined sack total and run stopping goes up between those two and Vernon combined that way?
Nope. Sorry that's a horrible idea if ur a Myles garret fan. He can 5 tech on passing downs, absolutely. Expect some nascar packages with him sliding inside and Vernon and avery rushing the edges.
But as tia said, if u want him to do that full time ur gonna break him down. He's absolutely strong enough to take on ANY interior o line in football. But to mediate wear and tear he'd have to put on 20 to 30lbs. Than what? He's lost his freak athleticism.
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Well here is a novel thought. What about playing him at RDE, Ogbah stays at LDE and move Garrett into a DT spot right next to Ogujobi? There were multiple plays last year when Garrett switched to DT and was an absolute nightmare for the C & G, constantly splitting them and forcing early throws, stopped runs and even a sack/flush or two. Think about it. If Garrett is right next to Ogbah, don't you think the combined sack total and run stopping goes up between those two and Vernon combined that way?
Nope. Sorry that's a horrible idea if ur a Myles garret fan. He can 5 tech on passing downs, absolutely. Expect some nascar packages with him sliding inside and Vernon and avery rushing the edges.
But as tia said, if u want him to do that full time ur gonna break him down. He's absolutely strong enough to take on ANY interior o line in football. But to mediate wear and tear he'd have to put on 20 to 30lbs. Than what? He's lost his freak athleticism.
Nope. Sorry that's a horrible idea if ur a Myles garret fan. He can 5 tech on passing downs, absolutely. Expect some nascar packages with him sliding inside and Vernon and avery rushing the edges.
But as tia said, if u want him to do that full time ur gonna break him down. He's absolutely strong enough to take on ANY interior o line in football. But to mediate wear and tear he'd have to put on 20 to 30lbs. Than what? He's lost his freak athleticism.
Good points all. Best solution? Go buy Suh off the open market and move up ahead of Cincy for White in the draft. Now that would be a nightmare defense to deal with no matter the play.
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One final OV thought...
His $$$ contract fits perfectly at this time. After two years we'll be looking to lock up MG and extend Baker.
So unless OV balls out for the next two seasons... two full seasons... I think he's a two-year rental.
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I'll pull a Canton Mike here and say "We'll see".
I like adding talent in the Dline, but OV has been suffering injuries last two years and as someone said earlier he usually starts from RDE position, the same as Garrett. I'd be more comfortable if he usually played LDE so we would already know for sure that we could play him and MG at the same time.
I think that Corbett MUST be able to step up and play. Maybe not at Zeitler's level, but certainly at a good level considering the draft pick he was taken with. I like him playing as a guard and not waiting on him to learn how to play another position in the pros.
I hope we are not messing up the OL too much and we can improve rushing opposite QBs. Adding someone like Vernon in the DL rotation instantly adds some quality depth and I think both Garrett and Ogbah will use that.
And I prefer this instead of a huge firework-cap space nightmare FA signing.
I like adding talent in the Dline, but OV has been suffering injuries last two years and as someone said earlier he usually starts from RDE position, the same as Garrett. I'd be more comfortable if he usually played LDE so we would already know for sure that we could play him and MG at the same time.
I think that Corbett MUST be able to step up and play. Maybe not at Zeitler's level, but certainly at a good level considering the draft pick he was taken with. I like him playing as a guard and not waiting on him to learn how to play another position in the pros.
I hope we are not messing up the OL too much and we can improve rushing opposite QBs. Adding someone like Vernon in the DL rotation instantly adds some quality depth and I think both Garrett and Ogbah will use that.
And I prefer this instead of a huge firework-cap space nightmare FA signing.
Good post Nero.
Zeitler was a huge buffer to Hubbard's struggles IMO. Even that wasn't enough at the Tampa Game I attended where 3rd and goal from the 1 ended up getting stuffed both times we went behind Zeitler (not always his fault but it wasn't like he moved his guy off the ball either).
In robbing Peter to pay Paul, we got a pass rushing LBer (Olivier Vernon) who ranked 4th in QB pressures in 2018 (or the 2nd half of it). That doesn't suck considering we need someone beside Garrett and Ogunjobi to put some pressure on passers. You mentioned above he comes from the right side; but keep in mind Garrett had a 2 year issue with a high ankle sprain his last year at A&M and 1st year with us. That kind of injury has a tendency to keep it's victims vulnerable to re-occurrence.
While Corbett seems to be adjusting at the pace of Chad Thomas/park, I sure would feel a lot more comfortable if we went after a FA Guard like Roger Saffold (even though he played LG for the Rams). He's got the size to handle the run blocking at 6'5" 325 lbs while he has the pass pro reliability for the blind side of QB. As a former/has-been OG, I've played LG and RG without finding 1 more difficult than the other. I think it's an easier transition from 1 side to the other for Guards than it is for Tackles at the NFL level; but Kevin Shaffer would probably disagree since he rated much higher as a RT here than he did as a LT. He finished his career in Chicago as a backup OG.
We can also draft a Guard like the one Tour mentioned from Mizzou (hey, that's what I call my house). My biggest concern is Bitonio missed significant time to injury in back to back seasons 2-3 years ago while Tretter's last year in GB was spent on IR. If we lose 1 of these guys on top of our concern about RG - Baker Mayfield could end up feeling like that little kid on the raft in the movie Jaws or Andrew Luck before Quenton Nelson arrived.
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All potentially true Flugs, but we traded a position of perceived depth to add impact at another where we were thin...
This trade is a textbook "win-win" on paper.
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One final OV thought...
His $$$ contract fits perfectly at this time. After two years we'll be looking to lock up MG and extend Baker.
So unless OV balls out for the next two seasons... two full seasons... I think he's a two-year rental.
One final OV thought...
His $$$ contract fits perfectly at this time. After two years we'll be looking to lock up MG and extend Baker.
So unless OV balls out for the next two seasons... two full seasons... I think he's a two-year rental.
Denziel ward will need locking up too
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I like the trade.
I'll admit it, I don't know more about our players than do our coaches and Dorsey. I am comfortable feeling they feel we can fill Zeitlers role.
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After Bosa I don't see a starting DE in this draft class. Sweat, Ferguson, Gary are interesting but I am much more comfortable with Vernon starting across from Garrett than relyinging on them to produce. Guard is a very replaceable position unless you got a true mauler and zeitler wasn't. This draft is packed with players who can play G so this was a great move if Vernon stays healthy. We got a legit pass rusher on a 2 year deal who we can cut if he doesn't pan out.
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After Bosa I don't see a starting DE in this draft class. Sweat, Ferguson, Gary are interesting but I am much more comfortable with Vernon starting across from Garrett than relyinging on them to produce. Guard is a very replaceable position unless you got a true mauler and zeitler wasn't. This draft is packed with players who can play G so this was a great move if Vernon stays healthy. We got a legit pass rusher on a 2 year deal who we can cut if he doesn't pan out.
After Bosa I don't see a starting DE in this draft class. Sweat, Ferguson, Gary are interesting but I am much more comfortable with Vernon starting across from Garrett than relyinging on them to produce. Guard is a very replaceable position unless you got a true mauler and zeitler wasn't. This draft is packed with players who can play G so this was a great move if Vernon stays healthy. We got a legit pass rusher on a 2 year deal who we can cut if he doesn't pan out.
Offer the Colts our number 1 for Nelson
you wanted a mauler he is the best guard in past few years ...total beast
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After Bosa I don't see a starting DE in this draft class. Sweat, Ferguson, Gary are interesting but I am much more comfortable with Vernon starting across from Garrett than relyinging on them to produce. Guard is a very replaceable position unless you got a true mauler and zeitler wasn't. This draft is packed with players who can play G so this was a great move if Vernon stays healthy. We got a legit pass rusher on a 2 year deal who we can cut if he doesn't pan out.
Offer the Colts our number 1 for Nelson
you wanted a mauler he is the best guard in past few years ...total beast
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