Vernon traded to Browns In Exchange For Kevin Zeitler
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After Bosa I don't see a starting DE in this draft class. Sweat, Ferguson, Gary are interesting but I am much more comfortable with Vernon starting across from Garrett than relyinging on them to produce. Guard is a very replaceable position unless you got a true mauler and zeitler wasn't. This draft is packed with players who can play G so this was a great move if Vernon stays healthy. We got a legit pass rusher on a 2 year deal who we can cut if he doesn't pan out.
After Bosa I don't see a starting DE in this draft class. Sweat, Ferguson, Gary are interesting but I am much more comfortable with Vernon starting across from Garrett than relyinging on them to produce. Guard is a very replaceable position unless you got a true mauler and zeitler wasn't. This draft is packed with players who can play G so this was a great move if Vernon stays healthy. We got a legit pass rusher on a 2 year deal who we can cut if he doesn't pan out.
Offer the Colts our number 1 for Nelson
you wanted a mauler he is the best guard in past few years ...total beast
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After Bosa I don't see a starting DE in this draft class. Sweat, Ferguson, Gary are interesting but I am much more comfortable with Vernon starting across from Garrett than relyinging on them to produce. Guard is a very replaceable position unless you got a true mauler and zeitler wasn't. This draft is packed with players who can play G so this was a great move if Vernon stays healthy. We got a legit pass rusher on a 2 year deal who we can cut if he doesn't pan out.
Offer the Colts our number 1 for Nelson
you wanted a mauler he is the best guard in past few years ...total beast
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I like the trade.
I'll admit it, I don't know more about our players than do our coaches and Dorsey. I am comfortable feeling they feel we can fill Zeitlers role.
I like the trade.
I'll admit it, I don't know more about our players than do our coaches and Dorsey.
Nor do I Ballpeen. I LOVE the job Dorsey is doing at improving the roster talent. That doesn't mean I refuse to appreciate what Zeitler did here last year as close as he lined up to a very productive rookie QB while we had a rookie RB averaging 5.2 yards per carry. If you saw how inconsistent the RT Hubbard was next to him - anyone less than Zeitler or an inexperienced NFL Guard next to Hubbard could have been a disaster. There's a BIG reason we wanted Zeitler to come here; and it's the same reason the Giants wanted him badly today. All that said, I already posted we can still sign a proven veteran FA OG like Rodger Saffold; or we can draft someone; or we can hope Corbett has the same life changing moment Jed Clampett had before he shook up Beverly Hills.
The part of the trade that excites me more than our OG situation, was our front 7 needed more than just Ogunjobi and Garrett putting pressure on QBs. Vernon provides this.
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Dumb trade..
Zeitler is a stout lineman,We could of picked up a LBer in FA...
Hopefully Corbett or someone else can fill the void..
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Brown's restructuring Vernon's deal making it more cap-friendly and front-loaded
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Dumb trade..
Zeitler is a stout lineman,We could of picked up a LBer in FA...
Hopefully Corbett or someone else can fill the void..
Dumb trade..
Zeitler is a stout lineman,We could of picked up a LBer in FA...
Hopefully Corbett or someone else can fill the void..
We could have picked a linebacker in FA but what about a DE which is majority of where vernon will line up here. And what kind of contract would a player of his stature take. Would said player take a 2 year deal so that he comes off the books when its time to resign Garrett like Vernon's contract will? We would still have Zeitler 12.5 mil contract and new players 11 million contract. I know everyone says well we have over 70 million to spend but over half of that is money that has been saved up from being under the cap and previous years which once that leftover cap is used it goes away. Really we have like 35 million to spend this year and 35 million saved up to help re-sign Baker and Garrett and Ward and Chubb potentially. I would bet that we don't use all the 35 million this year so that we can add some more to that total of leftover cap.
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Dumb trade..
Zeitler is a stout lineman,We could of picked up a LBer in FA...
Hopefully Corbett or someone else can fill the void..
We could have picked a linebacker in FA but what about a DE which is majority of where vernon will line up here. And what kind of contract would a player of his stature take. Would said player take a 2 year deal so that he comes off the books when its time to resign Garrett like Vernon's contract will? We would still have Zeitler 12.5 mil contract and new players 11 million contract. I know everyone says well we have over 70 million to spend but over half of that is money that has been saved up from being under the cap and previous years which once that leftover cap is used it goes away. Really we have like 35 million to spend this year and 35 million saved up to help re-sign Baker and Garrett and Ward and Chubb potentially. I would bet that we don't use all the 35 million this year so that we can add some more to that total of leftover cap.
We could have picked a linebacker in FA but what about a DE which is majority of where vernon will line up here. And what kind of contract would a player of his stature take. Would said player take a 2 year deal so that he comes off the books when its time to resign Garrett like Vernon's contract will? We would still have Zeitler 12.5 mil contract and new players 11 million contract. I know everyone says well we have over 70 million to spend but over half of that is money that has been saved up from being under the cap and previous years which once that leftover cap is used it goes away. Really we have like 35 million to spend this year and 35 million saved up to help re-sign Baker and Garrett and Ward and Chubb potentially. I would bet that we don't use all the 35 million this year so that we can add some more to that total of leftover cap.
We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others.
As far as cap issues, that is for Dorsey and the bean counters to work out.
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Dumb trade..
Zeitler is a stout lineman,We could of picked up a LBer in FA...
Hopefully Corbett or someone else can fill the void..
We could have picked a linebacker in FA but what about a DE which is majority of where vernon will line up here. And what kind of contract would a player of his stature take. Would said player take a 2 year deal so that he comes off the books when its time to resign Garrett like Vernon's contract will? We would still have Zeitler 12.5 mil contract and new players 11 million contract. I know everyone says well we have over 70 million to spend but over half of that is money that has been saved up from being under the cap and previous years which once that leftover cap is used it goes away. Really we have like 35 million to spend this year and 35 million saved up to help re-sign Baker and Garrett and Ward and Chubb potentially. I would bet that we don't use all the 35 million this year so that we can add some more to that total of leftover cap.
We could have picked a linebacker in FA but what about a DE which is majority of where vernon will line up here. And what kind of contract would a player of his stature take. Would said player take a 2 year deal so that he comes off the books when its time to resign Garrett like Vernon's contract will? We would still have Zeitler 12.5 mil contract and new players 11 million contract. I know everyone says well we have over 70 million to spend but over half of that is money that has been saved up from being under the cap and previous years which once that leftover cap is used it goes away. Really we have like 35 million to spend this year and 35 million saved up to help re-sign Baker and Garrett and Ward and Chubb potentially. I would bet that we don't use all the 35 million this year so that we can add some more to that total of leftover cap.
& that exactly what Dorsey said. He's not thinking just this year. Down the road is going to take big money to keep your homegrown talent.
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We could have picked a linebacker in FA but what about a DE which is majority of where vernon will line up here. And what kind of contract would a player of his stature take. Would said player take a 2 year deal so that he comes off the books when its time to resign Garrett like Vernon's contract will? We would still have Zeitler 12.5 mil contract and new players 11 million contract. I know everyone says well we have over 70 million to spend but over half of that is money that has been saved up from being under the cap and previous years which once that leftover cap is used it goes away. Really we have like 35 million to spend this year and 35 million saved up to help re-sign Baker and Garrett and Ward and Chubb potentially. I would bet that we don't use all the 35 million this year so that we can add some more to that total of leftover cap.
We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others.
As far as cap issues, that is for Dorsey and the bean counters to work out.
We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others.
As far as cap issues, that is for Dorsey and the bean counters to work out.
I agree we could still pick up at linebacker as we released Collins. My point is is Vernon is going to be lining up at the end opposite of Garrett. That was a big need to address and to get a player of his stature at the opposite D end it would have taken longer than a two-year deal which is what Vernon is on and that will end right at the time that we need to re-sign Garrett. Giving us more freedom to do so.
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We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others.
As far as cap issues, that is for Dorsey and the bean counters to work out.
I agree we could still pick up at linebacker as we released Collins. My point is is Vernon is going to be lining up at the end opposite of Garrett. That was a big need to address and to get a player of his stature at the opposite D end it would have taken longer than a two-year deal which is what Vernon is on and that will end right at the time that we need to re-sign Garrett. Giving us more freedom to do so.
I agree we could still pick up at linebacker as we released Collins. My point is is Vernon is going to be lining up at the end opposite of Garrett. That was a big need to address and to get a player of his stature at the opposite D end it would have taken longer than a two-year deal which is what Vernon is on and that will end right at the time that we need to re-sign Garrett. Giving us more freedom to do so.
Like I said, fine, whatever. Let the money men work it out. As a fan, I hate thinking and talking about player's money....because the numbers are absurd to a point, and I hate having to have the makeup of the team dictated by money. I understand, That's Life; but I prefer my entertainment to be unencumbered by concerns over what the entertainer is making.
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I agree we could still pick up at linebacker as we released Collins. My point is is Vernon is going to be lining up at the end opposite of Garrett. That was a big need to address and to get a player of his stature at the opposite D end it would have taken longer than a two-year deal which is what Vernon is on and that will end right at the time that we need to re-sign Garrett. Giving us more freedom to do so.
Like I said, fine, whatever. Let the money men work it out. As a fan, I hate thinking and talking about player's money....because the numbers are absurd to a point, and I hate having to have the makeup of the team dictated by money. I understand, That's Life; but I prefer my entertainment to be unencumbered by concerns over what the entertainer is making.
Like I said, fine, whatever. Let the money men work it out. As a fan, I hate thinking and talking about player's money....because the numbers are absurd to a point, and I hate having to have the makeup of the team dictated by money. I understand, That's Life; but I prefer my entertainment to be unencumbered by concerns over what the entertainer is making.
I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
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Like I said, fine, whatever. Let the money men work it out. As a fan, I hate thinking and talking about player's money....because the numbers are absurd to a point, and I hate having to have the makeup of the team dictated by money. I understand, That's Life; but I prefer my entertainment to be unencumbered by concerns over what the entertainer is making.
I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
We've got Baker on a rookie contract for three years, we,re going to bust that cap and hold on to our picks for when reload.
I dont know if I would switch places with any franchise right now when you figure roster talent, cap room, draft picks, QB and GM ... only question is Kitchens and I'll think he'll be very good as well.
Z
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As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
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I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
We've got Baker on a rookie contract for three years, we,re going to bust that cap and hold on to our picks for when reload.
I dont know if I would switch places with any franchise right now when you figure roster talent, cap room, draft picks, QB and GM ... only question is Kitchens and I'll think he'll be very good as well.
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Zombo said:
We've got Baker on a rookie contract for three years, we,re going to bust that cap and hold on to our picks for when reload.
I dont know if I would switch places with any franchise right now when you figure roster talent, cap room, draft picks, QB and GM ... only question is Kitchens and I'll think he'll be very good as well.
Z
By bust the cap you mean spend all our leftover money this year? I don't think we will if that's what you are getting at. If I am misinterpreting I apologize.
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Zombo said:
We've got Baker on a rookie contract for three years, we,re going to bust that cap and hold on to our picks for when reload.
I dont know if I would switch places with any franchise right now when you figure roster talent, cap room, draft picks, QB and GM ... only question is Kitchens and I'll think he'll be very good as well.
Z
By bust the cap you mean spend all our leftover money this year? I don't think we will if that's what you are getting at. If I am misinterpreting I apologize.
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As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
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Like I said, fine, whatever. Let the money men work it out. As a fan, I hate thinking and talking about player's money....because the numbers are absurd to a point, and I hate having to have the makeup of the team dictated by money. I understand, That's Life; but I prefer my entertainment to be unencumbered by concerns over what the entertainer is making.
I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
You use the term "We" like you were part of the Browns ownership or front office. I personally am not spending any money on any of these guys. (I rarely go to games). All I am saying is that I understand the money aspect of it that the team has to be concerned about. I just hate that it has to be a subject of conversation on this sports forum.
Hell, if we all want to talk money....maybe "we" can come up to a solution to the deficit problem.
(See what I mean: money talk gets real boring real fast)
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I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
You use the term "We" like you were part of the Browns ownership or front office. I personally am not spending any money on any of these guys. (I rarely go to games). All I am saying is that I understand the money aspect of it that the team has to be concerned about. I just hate that it has to be a subject of conversation on this sports forum.
Hell, if we all want to talk money....maybe "we" can come up to a solution to the deficit problem.
(See what I mean: money talk gets real boring real fast)
You use the term "We" like you were part of the Browns ownership or front office. I personally am not spending any money on any of these guys. (I rarely go to games). All I am saying is that I understand the money aspect of it that the team has to be concerned about. I just hate that it has to be a subject of conversation on this sports forum.
Hell, if we all want to talk money....maybe "we" can come up to a solution to the deficit problem.
(See what I mean: money talk gets real boring real fast)
"If we have a better pass rush, that makes our DBs look better. If we have better run defense from the front 4, then the LBs will look better. "
"We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others. "
You use the term "we" like you were on the coaching staff or part of the front office. Don't be a dick. I'm pointing out if you want to truly grade a signing or a trade you have to look at the financial aspect of it as well. It helps to make sense of what is being done and why, I really wanted Mosley but if the browns would have paid him 18 million a year to outbid the Jets in order get him here i wouldn't think that was the greatest signing due to the financial aspect.
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