Vernon traded to Browns In Exchange For Kevin Zeitler
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As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
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I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
We've got Baker on a rookie contract for three years, we,re going to bust that cap and hold on to our picks for when reload.
I dont know if I would switch places with any franchise right now when you figure roster talent, cap room, draft picks, QB and GM ... only question is Kitchens and I'll think he'll be very good as well.
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Zombo said:
We've got Baker on a rookie contract for three years, we,re going to bust that cap and hold on to our picks for when reload.
I dont know if I would switch places with any franchise right now when you figure roster talent, cap room, draft picks, QB and GM ... only question is Kitchens and I'll think he'll be very good as well.
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By bust the cap you mean spend all our leftover money this year? I don't think we will if that's what you are getting at. If I am misinterpreting I apologize.
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Zombo said:
We've got Baker on a rookie contract for three years, we,re going to bust that cap and hold on to our picks for when reload.
I dont know if I would switch places with any franchise right now when you figure roster talent, cap room, draft picks, QB and GM ... only question is Kitchens and I'll think he'll be very good as well.
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By bust the cap you mean spend all our leftover money this year? I don't think we will if that's what you are getting at. If I am misinterpreting I apologize.
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As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
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Like I said, fine, whatever. Let the money men work it out. As a fan, I hate thinking and talking about player's money....because the numbers are absurd to a point, and I hate having to have the makeup of the team dictated by money. I understand, That's Life; but I prefer my entertainment to be unencumbered by concerns over what the entertainer is making.
I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
You use the term "We" like you were part of the Browns ownership or front office. I personally am not spending any money on any of these guys. (I rarely go to games). All I am saying is that I understand the money aspect of it that the team has to be concerned about. I just hate that it has to be a subject of conversation on this sports forum.
Hell, if we all want to talk money....maybe "we" can come up to a solution to the deficit problem.
(See what I mean: money talk gets real boring real fast)
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I understand that but it's one of the main reasons we didn't just keep Zeitler and "sign a lb (de) in FA". I mean if we don't look at the money aspect of things why don't we sign earl Thomas, mitch morse, Tyrell Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Ronald Darby, Za'darious Smith, and Justin Houston.
You use the term "We" like you were part of the Browns ownership or front office. I personally am not spending any money on any of these guys. (I rarely go to games). All I am saying is that I understand the money aspect of it that the team has to be concerned about. I just hate that it has to be a subject of conversation on this sports forum.
Hell, if we all want to talk money....maybe "we" can come up to a solution to the deficit problem.
(See what I mean: money talk gets real boring real fast)
You use the term "We" like you were part of the Browns ownership or front office. I personally am not spending any money on any of these guys. (I rarely go to games). All I am saying is that I understand the money aspect of it that the team has to be concerned about. I just hate that it has to be a subject of conversation on this sports forum.
Hell, if we all want to talk money....maybe "we" can come up to a solution to the deficit problem.
(See what I mean: money talk gets real boring real fast)
"If we have a better pass rush, that makes our DBs look better. If we have better run defense from the front 4, then the LBs will look better. "
"We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others. "
You use the term "we" like you were on the coaching staff or part of the front office. Don't be a dick. I'm pointing out if you want to truly grade a signing or a trade you have to look at the financial aspect of it as well. It helps to make sense of what is being done and why, I really wanted Mosley but if the browns would have paid him 18 million a year to outbid the Jets in order get him here i wouldn't think that was the greatest signing due to the financial aspect.
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You use the term "We" like you were part of the Browns ownership or front office. I personally am not spending any money on any of these guys. (I rarely go to games). All I am saying is that I understand the money aspect of it that the team has to be concerned about. I just hate that it has to be a subject of conversation on this sports forum.
Hell, if we all want to talk money....maybe "we" can come up to a solution to the deficit problem.
(See what I mean: money talk gets real boring real fast)
"If we have a better pass rush, that makes our DBs look better. If we have better run defense from the front 4, then the LBs will look better. "
"We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others. "
You use the term "we" like you were on the coaching staff or part of the front office. Don't be a dick. I'm pointing out if you want to truly grade a signing or a trade you have to look at the financial aspect of it as well. It helps to make sense of what is being done and why, I really wanted Mosley but if the browns would have paid him 18 million a year to outbid the Jets in order get him here i wouldn't think that was the greatest signing due to the financial aspect.
"If we have a better pass rush, that makes our DBs look better. If we have better run defense from the front 4, then the LBs will look better. "
"We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others. "
You use the term "we" like you were on the coaching staff or part of the front office. Don't be a dick. I'm pointing out if you want to truly grade a signing or a trade you have to look at the financial aspect of it as well. It helps to make sense of what is being done and why, I really wanted Mosley but if the browns would have paid him 18 million a year to outbid the Jets in order get him here i wouldn't think that was the greatest signing due to the financial aspect.
I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
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I’m not sure if it has been mentioned, but Vernon’s contract appears to be under re-construction.. it won’t be official until Wednesday at 4 p.m.
“The choice will depend on how much cap room the Browns may need for what they are planning to accomplish during this free agent period.”
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As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
Didn't say I would have been necessarily happy had they done that, unless they got bosa ofc? just saying, now didn't feel like the right time to potentially destroy what we were building on the o line to protect baker.
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Field Yates@FieldYatesVia @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
Didn't say I would have been necessarily happy had they done that, unless they got bosa ofc? just saying, now didn't feel like the right time to potentially destroy what we were building on the o line to protect baker.
Didn't say I would have been necessarily happy had they done that, unless they got bosa ofc? just saying, now didn't feel like the right time to potentially destroy what we were building on the o line to protect baker.
That's one way to look at it. But we didn't have to overspend in FA to get Garrett an upgrade in pass rushing either. We as of now we have Vernon on a two year rent a player with all the guaranteed money off the books. Not something that would have happened going after those big ticket DL guys you were pining after.
It all depends on how well Corbett plays at RG. He fills in nicely, and it will again prove Dorsey knows what he's doing. September is still a long way off.
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Field Yates@FieldYatesVia @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
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"If we have a better pass rush, that makes our DBs look better. If we have better run defense from the front 4, then the LBs will look better. "
"We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others. "
You use the term "we" like you were on the coaching staff or part of the front office. Don't be a dick. I'm pointing out if you want to truly grade a signing or a trade you have to look at the financial aspect of it as well. It helps to make sense of what is being done and why, I really wanted Mosley but if the browns would have paid him 18 million a year to outbid the Jets in order get him here i wouldn't think that was the greatest signing due to the financial aspect.
I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
Actually you said you hate thinking and talking about a player's money and as far as money goes let the bean counters figure it out. I'm saying that as a fan it helps to understand the money aspect because it helps you evaluate trades signings and things of that nature. I don't get what you're big hang up is. Like going out of your way to say oh you say "we" like you're part of the front office when there are multiple times when you are discussing the Browns that you also say we. I know a lot of other fans don't do that. I know Ohio State fans get a lot of crap because they say we like they are apart of the team but fans are important to an organization. You know this very well as I believe you were one of the key people who helped bring the Browns organization back to Cleveland.
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Field Yates@FieldYatesVia @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
Maybe the Steelers are missing a Diva WR already?
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I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
Actually you said you hate thinking and talking about a player's money and as far as money goes let the bean counters figure it out. I'm saying that as a fan it helps to understand the money aspect because it helps you evaluate trades signings and things of that nature. I don't get what you're big hang up is. Like going out of your way to say oh you say "we" like you're part of the front office when there are multiple times when you are discussing the Browns that you also say we. I know a lot of other fans don't do that. I know Ohio State fans get a lot of crap because they say we like they are apart of the team but fans are important to an organization. You know this very well as I believe you were one of the key people who helped bring the Browns organization back to Cleveland.
Actually you said you hate thinking and talking about a player's money and as far as money goes let the bean counters figure it out. I'm saying that as a fan it helps to understand the money aspect because it helps you evaluate trades signings and things of that nature. I don't get what you're big hang up is. Like going out of your way to say oh you say "we" like you're part of the front office when there are multiple times when you are discussing the Browns that you also say we. I know a lot of other fans don't do that. I know Ohio State fans get a lot of crap because they say we like they are apart of the team but fans are important to an organization. You know this very well as I believe you were one of the key people who helped bring the Browns organization back to Cleveland.
Again, I am not denying that knowing the money aspect would help understand why things are done the way they are done, nor that it is important.
I am just saying that it is boring as shit to have to be so concerned about what these millionaires are making.
What is your hangup about THAT?
And all fan bases and all fans on occasion say "we". And yes, I do have a mouse in my pocket. Actually, it is a rat....a kangaroo sized rat!!
And if you love dealing with the bean counting so much, here you go:
(I had reproduced a huge article on audit accounting here...but I decided to ditch it and just leave what you have here:
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AR = IR x CR x DR
Where: AR = Audit risk, IR = Inherent risk, CR = Control risk, and DR = Detection risk. (Whittington & Pany, 2004, p. 130)
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The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
So much for NostraHoorta...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
So much for NostraHoorta...
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What part of not giving up two firsts did you miss? At least 1\2 right. The crystal ball was a little bit murky.
Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
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Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
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