Vernon traded to Browns In Exchange For Kevin Zeitler
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You use the term "We" like you were part of the Browns ownership or front office. I personally am not spending any money on any of these guys. (I rarely go to games). All I am saying is that I understand the money aspect of it that the team has to be concerned about. I just hate that it has to be a subject of conversation on this sports forum.
Hell, if we all want to talk money....maybe "we" can come up to a solution to the deficit problem.
(See what I mean: money talk gets real boring real fast)
"If we have a better pass rush, that makes our DBs look better. If we have better run defense from the front 4, then the LBs will look better. "
"We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others. "
You use the term "we" like you were on the coaching staff or part of the front office. Don't be a dick. I'm pointing out if you want to truly grade a signing or a trade you have to look at the financial aspect of it as well. It helps to make sense of what is being done and why, I really wanted Mosley but if the browns would have paid him 18 million a year to outbid the Jets in order get him here i wouldn't think that was the greatest signing due to the financial aspect.
"If we have a better pass rush, that makes our DBs look better. If we have better run defense from the front 4, then the LBs will look better. "
"We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others. "
You use the term "we" like you were on the coaching staff or part of the front office. Don't be a dick. I'm pointing out if you want to truly grade a signing or a trade you have to look at the financial aspect of it as well. It helps to make sense of what is being done and why, I really wanted Mosley but if the browns would have paid him 18 million a year to outbid the Jets in order get him here i wouldn't think that was the greatest signing due to the financial aspect.
I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
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I’m not sure if it has been mentioned, but Vernon’s contract appears to be under re-construction.. it won’t be official until Wednesday at 4 p.m.
“The choice will depend on how much cap room the Browns may need for what they are planning to accomplish during this free agent period.”
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As good as vernons tape looks,its still a weird trade. I would rather us have traded our draft to move up and take a top DE than mess with the o lines chem. But I understand the point that getting one of the top FA DE's like flowers was gonna be long term deal and would potentially screw with resigning Baker and Myles.
This was exactly why I was in favor of going after a DE like ansah as well as picking up a guy like hunt that could play all over the line. Oh well.
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
Didn't say I would have been necessarily happy had they done that, unless they got bosa ofc? just saying, now didn't feel like the right time to potentially destroy what we were building on the o line to protect baker.
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Field Yates@FieldYatesVia @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Clevs, in a Waynes World gone frat party and talkin football kind of vibe - that "mess with the o-lines chem" bait got me just 1 hallucinogen shy of wanting to give up our entire draft to move up for a top DE. You put me in that Dana Carvey-level trance for a second; and I'm not gonna lie. It was terrifying.
Does Faber College have a sports journalism program? If so, you should be directing that sucker...
Didn't say I would have been necessarily happy had they done that, unless they got bosa ofc? just saying, now didn't feel like the right time to potentially destroy what we were building on the o line to protect baker.
Didn't say I would have been necessarily happy had they done that, unless they got bosa ofc? just saying, now didn't feel like the right time to potentially destroy what we were building on the o line to protect baker.
That's one way to look at it. But we didn't have to overspend in FA to get Garrett an upgrade in pass rushing either. We as of now we have Vernon on a two year rent a player with all the guaranteed money off the books. Not something that would have happened going after those big ticket DL guys you were pining after.
It all depends on how well Corbett plays at RG. He fills in nicely, and it will again prove Dorsey knows what he's doing. September is still a long way off.
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Field Yates@FieldYatesVia @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
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"If we have a better pass rush, that makes our DBs look better. If we have better run defense from the front 4, then the LBs will look better. "
"We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others. "
You use the term "we" like you were on the coaching staff or part of the front office. Don't be a dick. I'm pointing out if you want to truly grade a signing or a trade you have to look at the financial aspect of it as well. It helps to make sense of what is being done and why, I really wanted Mosley but if the browns would have paid him 18 million a year to outbid the Jets in order get him here i wouldn't think that was the greatest signing due to the financial aspect.
I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
Actually you said you hate thinking and talking about a player's money and as far as money goes let the bean counters figure it out. I'm saying that as a fan it helps to understand the money aspect because it helps you evaluate trades signings and things of that nature. I don't get what you're big hang up is. Like going out of your way to say oh you say "we" like you're part of the front office when there are multiple times when you are discussing the Browns that you also say we. I know a lot of other fans don't do that. I know Ohio State fans get a lot of crap because they say we like they are apart of the team but fans are important to an organization. You know this very well as I believe you were one of the key people who helped bring the Browns organization back to Cleveland.
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Field Yates@FieldYatesVia @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
Maybe the Steelers are missing a Diva WR already?
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I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
Actually you said you hate thinking and talking about a player's money and as far as money goes let the bean counters figure it out. I'm saying that as a fan it helps to understand the money aspect because it helps you evaluate trades signings and things of that nature. I don't get what you're big hang up is. Like going out of your way to say oh you say "we" like you're part of the front office when there are multiple times when you are discussing the Browns that you also say we. I know a lot of other fans don't do that. I know Ohio State fans get a lot of crap because they say we like they are apart of the team but fans are important to an organization. You know this very well as I believe you were one of the key people who helped bring the Browns organization back to Cleveland.
Actually you said you hate thinking and talking about a player's money and as far as money goes let the bean counters figure it out. I'm saying that as a fan it helps to understand the money aspect because it helps you evaluate trades signings and things of that nature. I don't get what you're big hang up is. Like going out of your way to say oh you say "we" like you're part of the front office when there are multiple times when you are discussing the Browns that you also say we. I know a lot of other fans don't do that. I know Ohio State fans get a lot of crap because they say we like they are apart of the team but fans are important to an organization. You know this very well as I believe you were one of the key people who helped bring the Browns organization back to Cleveland.
Again, I am not denying that knowing the money aspect would help understand why things are done the way they are done, nor that it is important.
I am just saying that it is boring as shit to have to be so concerned about what these millionaires are making.
What is your hangup about THAT?
And all fan bases and all fans on occasion say "we". And yes, I do have a mouse in my pocket. Actually, it is a rat....a kangaroo sized rat!!
And if you love dealing with the bean counting so much, here you go:
(I had reproduced a huge article on audit accounting here...but I decided to ditch it and just leave what you have here:
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AR = IR x CR x DR
Where: AR = Audit risk, IR = Inherent risk, CR = Control risk, and DR = Detection risk. (Whittington & Pany, 2004, p. 130)
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By the way, you can hire a firm that will do your accounting naked:
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The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
So much for NostraHoorta...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
So much for NostraHoorta...
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What part of not giving up two firsts did you miss? At least 1\2 right. The crystal ball was a little bit murky.
Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
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Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
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Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
I was generous in posting the trade value exchange for OBJ vs 3 players by keeping him worth a late 1st when in reality I felt he was a 3rd. Any other team he would not have been a starter most likely.
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Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
Yes, despite the droolings of one guy on here, I would say that Peppers alone would have been worth a 4th rounder.
Nevertheless, do we not now have a hole there to fill.....expecially since we won't be getting Thomas
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"Not now"?
And you are undervaluing Peppers...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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He was OK Tour. To date, wasn't reminding me of Ronnie Lott or Ed Reed.... I guess if you get a fairly solid starter our of a fist round pick, you certainly can't call him a bust...
Not all 1st rounders are 1st ballot HOFers.
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Didn't pep essentially outright win us like 2 games and was also the greatest contributor in a couple other wins?
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