Vernon traded to Browns In Exchange For Kevin Zeitler
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Field Yates@FieldYatesVia @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
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"If we have a better pass rush, that makes our DBs look better. If we have better run defense from the front 4, then the LBs will look better. "
"We still could pick a LB in FA....they are talking Barr and others. "
You use the term "we" like you were on the coaching staff or part of the front office. Don't be a dick. I'm pointing out if you want to truly grade a signing or a trade you have to look at the financial aspect of it as well. It helps to make sense of what is being done and why, I really wanted Mosley but if the browns would have paid him 18 million a year to outbid the Jets in order get him here i wouldn't think that was the greatest signing due to the financial aspect.
I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
Actually you said you hate thinking and talking about a player's money and as far as money goes let the bean counters figure it out. I'm saying that as a fan it helps to understand the money aspect because it helps you evaluate trades signings and things of that nature. I don't get what you're big hang up is. Like going out of your way to say oh you say "we" like you're part of the front office when there are multiple times when you are discussing the Browns that you also say we. I know a lot of other fans don't do that. I know Ohio State fans get a lot of crap because they say we like they are apart of the team but fans are important to an organization. You know this very well as I believe you were one of the key people who helped bring the Browns organization back to Cleveland.
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Field Yates@FieldYatesVia @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
Maybe the Steelers are missing a Diva WR already?
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I am not saying that the financial part isn't very important nor that you should not understand the financial implications of any deal. I said exactly that if you could read. Can you. I just said that I hated the fact that it has to be that way. That money apparently has to be the be all and end all of any sports discussion.
Now, do you savvy Inglese?
Actually you said you hate thinking and talking about a player's money and as far as money goes let the bean counters figure it out. I'm saying that as a fan it helps to understand the money aspect because it helps you evaluate trades signings and things of that nature. I don't get what you're big hang up is. Like going out of your way to say oh you say "we" like you're part of the front office when there are multiple times when you are discussing the Browns that you also say we. I know a lot of other fans don't do that. I know Ohio State fans get a lot of crap because they say we like they are apart of the team but fans are important to an organization. You know this very well as I believe you were one of the key people who helped bring the Browns organization back to Cleveland.
Actually you said you hate thinking and talking about a player's money and as far as money goes let the bean counters figure it out. I'm saying that as a fan it helps to understand the money aspect because it helps you evaluate trades signings and things of that nature. I don't get what you're big hang up is. Like going out of your way to say oh you say "we" like you're part of the front office when there are multiple times when you are discussing the Browns that you also say we. I know a lot of other fans don't do that. I know Ohio State fans get a lot of crap because they say we like they are apart of the team but fans are important to an organization. You know this very well as I believe you were one of the key people who helped bring the Browns organization back to Cleveland.
Again, I am not denying that knowing the money aspect would help understand why things are done the way they are done, nor that it is important.
I am just saying that it is boring as shit to have to be so concerned about what these millionaires are making.
What is your hangup about THAT?
And all fan bases and all fans on occasion say "we". And yes, I do have a mouse in my pocket. Actually, it is a rat....a kangaroo sized rat!!
And if you love dealing with the bean counting so much, here you go:
(I had reproduced a huge article on audit accounting here...but I decided to ditch it and just leave what you have here:
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AR = IR x CR x DR
Where: AR = Audit risk, IR = Inherent risk, CR = Control risk, and DR = Detection risk. (Whittington & Pany, 2004, p. 130)
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By the way, you can hire a firm that will do your accounting naked:
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The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
So much for NostraHoorta...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The horse still isn't dead yet?
We aren't giving up two firsts for him. If Antonio Brown was worth a third and a fifth, we offer the Giants a second. Take it or leave it. Ravens could be in the market with Mosely and Suggs off the books. Steelers are cap strapped, and the Bengals have AJ Green.
OBJ's contract isn't as hatefull as I originally thought, hence the Browns might be interested. $20 million, each of the next two years. Question is- does Dorsey want the drama? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
So much for NostraHoorta...
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What part of not giving up two firsts did you miss? At least 1\2 right. The crystal ball was a little bit murky.
Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
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Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
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Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
I was generous in posting the trade value exchange for OBJ vs 3 players by keeping him worth a late 1st when in reality I felt he was a 3rd. Any other team he would not have been a starter most likely.
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Well.....in reality, we did give up 2 firsts for OBJ......Peppers...a first round pick, and our #17.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
But was Jabril playing like a first round pick? Saw in another thread, if we had wanted to move Peppers by himself, he was worth a fourth, I'll be generous and say maybe a third.
BTW, your remaining draft picks was correct. We swapped back the fifth and fourth round picks in the Vernon trade as part of the OBJ deal.
Yes, despite the droolings of one guy on here, I would say that Peppers alone would have been worth a 4th rounder.
Nevertheless, do we not now have a hole there to fill.....expecially since we won't be getting Thomas
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"Not now"?
And you are undervaluing Peppers...
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He was OK Tour. To date, wasn't reminding me of Ronnie Lott or Ed Reed.... I guess if you get a fairly solid starter our of a fist round pick, you certainly can't call him a bust...
Not all 1st rounders are 1st ballot HOFers.
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Didn't pep essentially outright win us like 2 games and was also the greatest contributor in a couple other wins?
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Didn't pep essentially outright win us like 2 games and was also the greatest contributor in a couple other wins?
Didn't pep essentially outright win us like 2 games and was also the greatest contributor in a couple other wins?
Don't confuse naysayers with facts...
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Not all 1st rounders are 1st ballot HOFers.
Not all first rounders produce like 4th rounders either.
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Didn't pep essentially outright win us like 2 games and was also the greatest contributor in a couple other wins?
Didn't pep essentially outright win us like 2 games and was also the greatest contributor in a couple other wins?
No. There is no doubt that he helped some. Any starting strong safety is expected to help some. He did OK, but he was not irreplaceable. Again, the issue is not how good he was, but was he deemed expendable in order to get a top notch proven talent. He was....by John Dorsey...and NO ONE ELSE"S opinion counts.
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Not all first rounders produce like 4th rounders either.
Name some 4th-round SSs with Peppers production...
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Not all first rounders produce like 4th rounders either.
Some first round picks like Justin Gilbert, Johnny Manziel, and Mike Junkin wouldn't survive in the AAF.
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