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  • Jets release RB Crowell after 1 season

    The New York Jets have released running back Isaiah Crowell, the team announced Thursday. The addition of free agent Le'Veon Bell, who agreed to a four-year, $52.5 million contract late Tuesday night, made Crowell expendable.

    @the-gipper said:

    Jets release RB Crowell after 1 season

    The New York Jets have released running back Isaiah Crowell, the team announced Thursday. The addition of free agent Le'Veon Bell, who agreed to a four-year, $52.5 million contract late Tuesday night, made Crowell expendable.

    That was coming obviously.... Once he he expressed his feelings on cop killing through art.. It pretty much made him expendable and not trusted in my view  I get NY signing him last year.. They had nothing else

  • @chimpy07 said:

    You didn't address the "missing the play offs and just fine" bit 

    The steelers shit the bed against bad teams but also were on the receiving end of some really bad calls that altered their season. (Against the saints and the chargers) 

    Our offensive line is dominant and we have a hall of fame quarterback. I like our chances.

    @vagitron said:

    The steelers shit the bed against bad teams but also were on the receiving end of some really bad calls that altered their season. (Against the saints and the chargers) 

    Our offensive line is dominant and we have a hall of fame quarterback. I like our chances.

    IF in fact you were on the receiving end of some really bad calls,  you will still likely have to go into the next century (year 2100)  of getting bad calls to make up for all the bad calls that have been made in your favor over the years.

    And while you do have a HOF QB....your OL is dismantling.  You lost the most important piece:  Munchak,  and you lost Gilbert I believe.  Now, sure, he was not your best (Castro/Pouncey/Villanova)....  But also not having the same level of skill players could make that OL's job much harder.

  • @vagitron said:

    The steelers shit the bed against bad teams but also were on the receiving end of some really bad calls that altered their season. (Against the saints and the chargers) 

    Our offensive line is dominant and we have a hall of fame quarterback. I like our chances.

    IF in fact you were on the receiving end of some really bad calls,  you will still likely have to go into the next century (year 2100)  of getting bad calls to make up for all the bad calls that have been made in your favor over the years.

    And while you do have a HOF QB....your OL is dismantling.  You lost the most important piece:  Munchak,  and you lost Gilbert I believe.  Now, sure, he was not your best (Castro/Pouncey/Villanova)....  But also not having the same level of skill players could make that OL's job much harder.

    @the-gipper said:

    IF in fact you were on the receiving end of some really bad calls,  you will still likely have to go into the next century (year 2100)  of getting bad calls to make up for all the bad calls that have been made in your favor over the years.

    And while you do have a HOF QB....your OL is dismantling.  You lost the most important piece:  Munchak,  and you lost Gilbert I believe.  Now, sure, he was not your best (Castro/Pouncey/Villanova)....  But also not having the same level of skill players could make that OL's job much harder.

    Saying theyre oline is dismantling is premature.. The Stools Oline are considered the best in the league by some and I would agree.. Villanueva has worked himself into a fine LT.. DeCastro is considered one of the best as his Pos... Pouncy has been a rock at center. Thyre Oline is hitting their prime I believe.. And I think that was a big reason for Connors success

  • @the-gipper said:

    IF in fact you were on the receiving end of some really bad calls,  you will still likely have to go into the next century (year 2100)  of getting bad calls to make up for all the bad calls that have been made in your favor over the years.

    And while you do have a HOF QB....your OL is dismantling.  You lost the most important piece:  Munchak,  and you lost Gilbert I believe.  Now, sure, he was not your best (Castro/Pouncey/Villanova)....  But also not having the same level of skill players could make that OL's job much harder.

    Saying theyre oline is dismantling is premature.. The Stools Oline are considered the best in the league by some and I would agree.. Villanueva has worked himself into a fine LT.. DeCastro is considered one of the best as his Pos... Pouncy has been a rock at center. Thyre Oline is hitting their prime I believe.. And I think that was a big reason for Connors success

    @nickers said:

    Saying theyre oline is dismantling is premature.. The Stools Oline are considered the best in the league by some and I would agree.. Villanueva has worked himself into a fine LT.. DeCastro is considered one of the best as his Pos... Pouncy has been a rock at center. Thyre Oline is hitting their prime I believe.. And I think that was a big reason for Connors success

    They are still good players sure, but their best component, their OL coach is gone.

    It was like Vag saying that the Steelers defense would be just as good when Dick LeBeau left.   Not even close.

  • @chimpy07 said:

    You didn't address the "missing the play offs and just fine" bit 

    The steelers shit the bed against bad teams but also were on the receiving end of some really bad calls that altered their season. (Against the saints and the chargers) 

    Our offensive line is dominant and we have a hall of fame quarterback. I like our chances.

    @vagitron said:

    The steelers shit the bed against bad teams but also were on the receiving end of some really bad calls that altered their season. (Against the saints and the chargers) 

    Our offensive line is dominant and we have a hall of fame quarterback. I like our chances.

    Boo hoo. The Browns got shafted by a mile offside against the Chargers no call that gave them a gift TD, a lousy spot against the Raiders that prevented us running out the clock, and a head shot to Baker aginst the Bucs that wasn't called.

    You however got a gift from the Refs that the league apologized for when Garrett tackled Saint Ben, in case you forgot.

    We'll see how Ju-Ju does this year when he's drawing double teams, and your #2 wr is Shazier?

  • @vagitron said:

    The steelers shit the bed against bad teams but also were on the receiving end of some really bad calls that altered their season. (Against the saints and the chargers) 

    Our offensive line is dominant and we have a hall of fame quarterback. I like our chances.

    Boo hoo. The Browns got shafted by a mile offside against the Chargers no call that gave them a gift TD, a lousy spot against the Raiders that prevented us running out the clock, and a head shot to Baker aginst the Bucs that wasn't called.

    You however got a gift from the Refs that the league apologized for when Garrett tackled Saint Ben, in case you forgot.

    We'll see how Ju-Ju does this year when he's drawing double teams, and your #2 wr is Shazier?

    @hoorta said:

    Boo hoo. The Browns got shafted by a mile offside against the Chargers no call that gave them a gift TD, a lousy spot against the Raiders that prevented us running out the clock, and a head shot to Baker aginst the Bucs that wasn't called.

    You however got a gift from the Refs that the league apologized for when Garrett tackled Saint Ben, in case you forgot.

    We'll see how Ju-Ju does this year when he's drawing double teams, and your #2 wr is Shazier?

    I think for that first one you meant the Ravens, not the Chargers.  (which made the difference in the game).

    So, in essence, the refs indeed screwed the Steelers out of a playoff berth.   If not for that bad call, the Browns win that last game....and the Spermsuckers win the division and the Ratfuckers stay home.

  • @hoorta said:

    Boo hoo. The Browns got shafted by a mile offside against the Chargers no call that gave them a gift TD, a lousy spot against the Raiders that prevented us running out the clock, and a head shot to Baker aginst the Bucs that wasn't called.

    You however got a gift from the Refs that the league apologized for when Garrett tackled Saint Ben, in case you forgot.

    We'll see how Ju-Ju does this year when he's drawing double teams, and your #2 wr is Shazier?

    I think for that first one you meant the Ravens, not the Chargers.  (which made the difference in the game).

    So, in essence, the refs indeed screwed the Steelers out of a playoff berth.   If not for that bad call, the Browns win that last game....and the Spermsuckers win the division and the Ratfuckers stay home.

    @the-gipper said:

    I think for that first one you meant the Ravens, not the Chargers.  (which made the difference in the game).

    So, in essence, the refs indeed screwed the Steelers out of a playoff berth.   If not for that bad call, the Browns win that last game....and the Spermsuckers win the division and the Ratfuckers stay home.

    Yeah that one too... NFLN replayed the game, and I have it on DVR- I'll watch it again when I have some time.

    Nope, my memory is fine, sorry it was a false start, not an offside- and it got the Ref who missed it fired...   It was so flagrant, the Browns quit on the play, waiting for the whistle that never came... 

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/10/25/18023646/nfl-referee-fired-officiating-browns-chargers-missed-false-start

  • Good teams overcome bad calls...

  • Good teams overcome bad calls...

    @tour2ma said:

    Good teams overcome bad calls...

    Tell that one to the Saints...  We were far from "good" at that point, and saddled with the Huebatross as HC.  

  • @hoorta said:

    Boo hoo. The Browns got shafted by a mile offside against the Chargers no call that gave them a gift TD, a lousy spot against the Raiders that prevented us running out the clock, and a head shot to Baker aginst the Bucs that wasn't called.

    You however got a gift from the Refs that the league apologized for when Garrett tackled Saint Ben, in case you forgot.

    We'll see how Ju-Ju does this year when he's drawing double teams, and your #2 wr is Shazier?

    I think for that first one you meant the Ravens, not the Chargers.  (which made the difference in the game).

    So, in essence, the refs indeed screwed the Steelers out of a playoff berth.   If not for that bad call, the Browns win that last game....and the Spermsuckers win the division and the Ratfuckers stay home.

    @the-gipper said:

    I think for that first one you meant the Ravens, not the Chargers.  (which made the difference in the game).

    So, in essence, the refs indeed screwed the Steelers out of a playoff berth.   If not for that bad call, the Browns win that last game....and the Spermsuckers win the division and the Ratfuckers stay home.

    Chargers and saints. The ravens/browns game was a shit show too.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I think for that first one you meant the Ravens, not the Chargers.  (which made the difference in the game).

    So, in essence, the refs indeed screwed the Steelers out of a playoff berth.   If not for that bad call, the Browns win that last game....and the Spermsuckers win the division and the Ratfuckers stay home.

    Yeah that one too... NFLN replayed the game, and I have it on DVR- I'll watch it again when I have some time.

    Nope, my memory is fine, sorry it was a false start, not an offside- and it got the Ref who missed it fired...   It was so flagrant, the Browns quit on the play, waiting for the whistle that never came... 

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/10/25/18023646/nfl-referee-fired-officiating-browns-chargers-missed-false-start

    @hoorta said:

    Yeah that one too... NFLN replayed the game, and I have it on DVR- I'll watch it again when I have some time.

    Nope, my memory is fine, sorry it was a false start, not an offside- and it got the Ref who missed it fired...   It was so flagrant, the Browns quit on the play, waiting for the whistle that never came... 

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/10/25/18023646/nfl-referee-fired-officiating-browns-chargers-missed-false-start

    I guess because that game was pretty much a blowout it didn't make that much of a difference....unlike  Oakland and Baltimore games.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I think for that first one you meant the Ravens, not the Chargers.  (which made the difference in the game).

    So, in essence, the refs indeed screwed the Steelers out of a playoff berth.   If not for that bad call, the Browns win that last game....and the Spermsuckers win the division and the Ratfuckers stay home.

    Chargers and saints. The ravens/browns game was a shit show too.

    @vagitron said:

    Chargers and saints. The ravens/browns game was a shit show too.

    Again, no sympathy for you.  None whatsoever, going all the way back.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Good teams overcome bad calls...

    Tell that one to the Saints...  We were far from "good" at that point, and saddled with the Huebatross as HC.  

    @hoorta said:

    Tell that one to the Saints...  We were far from "good" at that point, and saddled with the Huebatross as HC. 

    Point taken, h, but then given the timing of the worst non-call in the history of the game the Saints never had a chance to overcome it.

  • @vagitron said:

    Chargers and saints. The ravens/browns game was a shit show too.

    Again, no sympathy for you.  None whatsoever, going all the way back.

    @the-gipper said:

    Again, no sympathy for you.  None whatsoever, going all the way back.

    I remember that game.. we had to play the fucking refs too.. Just watching this makes my blood boil...Everyone of those calls was completely fabricated and bogus... Good or bad teams can't overcome made up calls...

  • @the-gipper said:

    Again, no sympathy for you.  None whatsoever, going all the way back.

    I remember that game.. we had to play the fucking refs too.. Just watching this makes my blood boil...Everyone of those calls was completely fabricated and bogus... Good or bad teams can't overcome made up calls...

    @nickers said:

    I remember that game.. we had to play the fucking refs too.. Just watching this makes my blood boil...Everyone of those calls was completely fabricated and bogus... Good or bad teams can't overcome made up calls...

    Two TDs overturned on phantom holding calls.  And the fumble in OT "blown dead"?   If ever a game was fixed.

  • @nickers said:

    I remember that game.. we had to play the fucking refs too.. Just watching this makes my blood boil...Everyone of those calls was completely fabricated and bogus... Good or bad teams can't overcome made up calls...

    Two TDs overturned on phantom holding calls.  And the fumble in OT "blown dead"?   If ever a game was fixed.

    @the-gipper said:

    Two TDs overturned on phantom holding calls.  And the fumble in OT "blown dead"?   If ever a game was fixed.

    It'll be interesting with all of the star power we have now , how the calls will shake out.. Especially now everyone acknowledges that were "Americas Team".. We always have been Americas team.. We just sucked for the last 1/4 century.... There is no other team with the world wide backers clubs like the Browns do.. And please.. I don't need some idiot saying.. "Steelers fans travel well".. My cousin darren was born here and raised in the dakotas and now lives in the seattle area.. Sadly.. He is a Stooler FRAK.. And I let him know it!

  • @the-gipper said:

    Two TDs overturned on phantom holding calls.  And the fumble in OT "blown dead"?   If ever a game was fixed.

    It'll be interesting with all of the star power we have now , how the calls will shake out.. Especially now everyone acknowledges that were "Americas Team".. We always have been Americas team.. We just sucked for the last 1/4 century.... There is no other team with the world wide backers clubs like the Browns do.. And please.. I don't need some idiot saying.. "Steelers fans travel well".. My cousin darren was born here and raised in the dakotas and now lives in the seattle area.. Sadly.. He is a Stooler FRAK.. And I let him know it!

    @nickers said:

    It'll be interesting with all of the star power we have now , how the calls will shake out.. Especially now everyone acknowledges that were "Americas Team".. We always have been Americas team.. We just sucked for the last 1/4 century.... There is no other team with the world wide backers clubs like the Browns do.. And please.. I don't need some idiot saying.. "Steelers fans travel well".. My cousin darren was born here and raised in the dakotas and now lives in the seattle area.. Sadly.. He is a Stooler FRAK.. And I let him know it!

    Actually the steelers turned down the whole america's team mantra and then it became  the Cowboys.

    And you are going to hear about the steelers traveling well because when the steel industry collapsed families were displaced for work reasons and the steelers had just come off four super bowl wins. The Fandom went with those families all over the country.

  • @nickers said:

    It'll be interesting with all of the star power we have now , how the calls will shake out.. Especially now everyone acknowledges that were "Americas Team".. We always have been Americas team.. We just sucked for the last 1/4 century.... There is no other team with the world wide backers clubs like the Browns do.. And please.. I don't need some idiot saying.. "Steelers fans travel well".. My cousin darren was born here and raised in the dakotas and now lives in the seattle area.. Sadly.. He is a Stooler FRAK.. And I let him know it!

    Actually the steelers turned down the whole america's team mantra and then it became  the Cowboys.

    And you are going to hear about the steelers traveling well because when the steel industry collapsed families were displaced for work reasons and the steelers had just come off four super bowl wins. The Fandom went with those families all over the country.

    @vagitron said:

    Actually the steelers turned down the whole america's team mantra and then it became  the Cowboys.

    And you are going to hear about the steelers traveling well because when the steel industry collapsed families were displaced for work reasons and the steelers had just come off four super bowl wins. The Fandom went with those families all over the country.

    Whatevs.. More bullshit spewing from your mouth as usual..

  • @nickers said:

    It'll be interesting with all of the star power we have now , how the calls will shake out.. Especially now everyone acknowledges that were "Americas Team".. We always have been Americas team.. We just sucked for the last 1/4 century.... There is no other team with the world wide backers clubs like the Browns do.. And please.. I don't need some idiot saying.. "Steelers fans travel well".. My cousin darren was born here and raised in the dakotas and now lives in the seattle area.. Sadly.. He is a Stooler FRAK.. And I let him know it!

    Actually the steelers turned down the whole america's team mantra and then it became  the Cowboys.

    And you are going to hear about the steelers traveling well because when the steel industry collapsed families were displaced for work reasons and the steelers had just come off four super bowl wins. The Fandom went with those families all over the country.

    @vagitron said:

    Actually the steelers turned down the whole america's team mantra and then it became  the Cowboys.

    And you are going to hear about the steelers traveling well because when the steel industry collapsed families were displaced for work reasons and the steelers had just come off four super bowl wins. The Fandom went with those families all over the country.

    Yes, to an extent.  The same was true for the Browns during the 80s. (manufacturing economy collapse..thanks Reagan).  Browns fan dominated many away games. But when you have 25 years of suck....that trailed off a bit.

    If the Browns do get back to a position of dominance, it could be like nothing you have seen before.

    And I always hated the whole America's Team label.  I never want to see that use with the Browns.

  • @vagitron said:

    Actually the steelers turned down the whole america's team mantra and then it became  the Cowboys.

    And you are going to hear about the steelers traveling well because when the steel industry collapsed families were displaced for work reasons and the steelers had just come off four super bowl wins. The Fandom went with those families all over the country.

    Whatevs.. More bullshit spewing from your mouth as usual..

    @nickers said:

    Whatevs.. More bullshit spewing from your mouth as usual..

    No, he is right.  A lot of that did in fact happen....and as I said, the same with Cleveland are people being disbursed. 

    The Steelers did get a lot more FRAKs to jump on board....because they won.   But they will likely quickly jump off if the Steelers go bad. And if the Browns go good there will certainly be a share of FRAKs on our bandwagon.