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  • The question which I posed was never about any Individual poster here, it was never about religion, it was never about the crime or the grim prospect of carrying an unwanted child to birth.

    the question never changed.  

    @hammertime said:

    The question which I posed was never about any Individual poster here, it was never about religion, it was never about the crime or the grim prospect of carrying an unwanted child to birth.

    the question never changed.  

     If the raped kid doesn't want to carry the baby, they shouldn't have to. Simple enough for you to grasp. I don't think the kid will know what it missed. 

  • @clevfan4life said:

    and u would force a woman, or girl in this case, to go through 9 months of despair with an operating table at the end, because of her fathers crime. Ur scum. This not the "procreation" jesus hsd in mind. This is the pure filth of swine. No more no less.

    So being pregnant is despair. A woman’s body doing what it was designed to do it despair? 

    Crime is heinous. Victims of crime cannot always be made whole. It’s an unfortunate fact of life. The innocent do not need to be killed because of someone else’s crime. 

    Don’t speak for Jesus. It’s clear you know nothing about his life or teachings. 

    @chemist said:

    So being pregnant is despair. A woman’s body doing what it was designed to do it despair? 

    Crime is heinous. Victims of crime cannot always be made whole. It’s an unfortunate fact of life. The innocent do not need to be killed because of someone else’s crime. 

    Don’t speak for Jesus. It’s clear you know nothing about his life or teachings. 

    I like telling other people what to do as well.

  • @chemist said:

    So being pregnant is despair. A woman’s body doing what it was designed to do it despair? 

    Crime is heinous. Victims of crime cannot always be made whole. It’s an unfortunate fact of life. The innocent do not need to be killed because of someone else’s crime. 

    Don’t speak for Jesus. It’s clear you know nothing about his life or teachings. 

    I like telling other people what to do as well.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    I like telling other people what to do as well.

    Face it, we all do.

    WSS

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    I like telling other people what to do as well.

    Face it, we all do.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Face it, we all do.

    WSS

    Not all of us. I like mocking hypocrisy but hypocrites can live however they wish. I am not implying you are one but that we have a lot of people who complain about having others and the government having too much say in their lives then actively choose to try to exert their social values on everyone else. That is why I think both parties are full of shit including the people who treat politicians like they are heroes.

  • @hammertime said:

    The question which I posed was never about any Individual poster here, it was never about religion, it was never about the crime or the grim prospect of carrying an unwanted child to birth.

    the question never changed.  

     If the raped kid doesn't want to carry the baby, they shouldn't have to. Simple enough for you to grasp. I don't think the kid will know what it missed. 

    @logicisforsquares said:

     If the raped kid doesn't want to carry the baby, they shouldn't have to. Simple enough for you to grasp. I don't think the kid will know what it missed. 

    Then come right out with it and say how it is.

    You feel murder is justified in this case.  Is that true?

  • @logicisforsquares said:

     If the raped kid doesn't want to carry the baby, they shouldn't have to. Simple enough for you to grasp. I don't think the kid will know what it missed. 

    Then come right out with it and say how it is.

    You feel murder is justified in this case.  Is that true?

    @hammertime said:

    Then come right out with it and say how it is.

    You feel murder is justified in this case.  Is that true?

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

  • @hammertime said:

    Then come right out with it and say how it is.

    You feel murder is justified in this case.  Is that true?

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

    Different?

    Your killing a baby.  How is that not murder?

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

    Different?

    Your killing a baby.  How is that not murder?

    @hammertime said:

    Different?

    Your killing a baby.  How is that not murder?

    Is that mother guilty of manslaughter? That will help you figure out the difference.

  • @hammertime said:

    Different?

    Your killing a baby.  How is that not murder?

    Is that mother guilty of manslaughter? That will help you figure out the difference.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Good luck. 

    Another example of government overreach. 

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/against-parents-wishes-judge-rules-that-tampa-boy-with-leukemia-will-resume-chemotherapy-20190508/%3ftemplate=amp

    These parents are Retarded, but it's their right to seek what they feel best for their child.    Whether I would find it as negligence/manslaughter is another topic entirely.   (At worst forced sterilization) 

    Now, I must ask - if you find this to be government over reach like myself, why do you not feel the same about the judge denying an 11 year old her choice to avoid carrying a child of rape?  (Something forced upon her) not because of "inconvenience".  Rape isn't "inconvenient"... 

    (Rhetorical, the bulk of you are hypocrites and the alt profiles are on ignore) 

    .... Like I said, I'm far more consistent in the application of my ideals. 

  • @hammertime said:

    Then come right out with it and say how it is.

    You feel murder is justified in this case.  Is that true?

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

    @logicisforsquares said:

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

    Not sure, but if someone murders a pregnant woman and the baby dies he is charged with a double homicide is he not?

  • @hammertime said:

    Different?

    Your killing a baby.  How is that not murder?

    Is that mother guilty of manslaughter? That will help you figure out the difference.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Is that mother guilty of manslaughter? That will help you figure out the difference.

    If abortion was illegal, then yes.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Good luck. 

    Another example of government overreach. 

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/against-parents-wishes-judge-rules-that-tampa-boy-with-leukemia-will-resume-chemotherapy-20190508/%3ftemplate=amp

    These parents are Retarded, but it's their right to seek what they feel best for their child.    Whether I would find it as negligence/manslaughter is another topic entirely.   (At worst forced sterilization) 

    Now, I must ask - if you find this to be government over reach like myself, why do you not feel the same about the judge denying an 11 year old her choice to avoid carrying a child of rape?  (Something forced upon her) not because of "inconvenience".  Rape isn't "inconvenient"... 

    (Rhetorical, the bulk of you are hypocrites and the alt profiles are on ignore) 

    .... Like I said, I'm far more consistent in the application of my ideals. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Good luck. 

    Another example of government overreach. 

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/against-parents-wishes-judge-rules-that-tampa-boy-with-leukemia-will-resume-chemotherapy-20190508/%3ftemplate=amp

    These parents are Retarded, but it's their right to seek what they feel best for their child.    Whether I would find it as negligence/manslaughter is another topic entirely.   (At worst forced sterilization) 

    Now, I must ask - if you find this to be government over reach like myself, why do you not feel the same about the judge denying an 11 year old her choice to avoid carrying a child of rape?  (Something forced upon her) not because of "inconvenience".  Rape isn't "inconvenient"... 

    (Rhetorical, the bulk of you are hypocrites and the alt profiles are on ignore) 

    .... Like I said, I'm far more consistent in the application of my ideals. 

    Not so fast with the "hypocritical" bs. I'm not speaking for the others but I don't feel saving a kid from imminent death is govt overreach, no more than it is when social services pulls a kid out of an abusive household.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

    Not sure, but if someone murders a pregnant woman and the baby dies he is charged with a double homicide is he not?

    @gorka said:

    Not sure, but if someone murders a pregnant woman and the baby dies he is charged with a double homicide is he not?

    Because it was against the will of the mother. It is a fuzzy area no doubt. If some people want the kid to be a legal person then in that scenario I laid out, the mom would be charged with manslaughter. I take the stance that because it is so morally fuzzy that I don’t feel I should be telling anyone what to do.

  • @hammertime said:

    Then come right out with it and say how it is.

    You feel murder is justified in this case.  Is that true?

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

           two miles over the speed limit? or thirty miles over the speed limit? in heavy traffic or on a lonely highway?

    high speed - I can see a case for criminally negligent homocide. 95 mph on a highway, anywhere, would be wreckless endangerment every time. Would that be intent to commit? then that is worse than "manslaughter", if a wreck occurs.

    Two mph over any speed limit is NOT wreckless endangerment/criminally negligent homicide.

    I could have been a lawyer.... lol

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

           two miles over the speed limit? or thirty miles over the speed limit? in heavy traffic or on a lonely highway?

    high speed - I can see a case for criminally negligent homocide. 95 mph on a highway, anywhere, would be wreckless endangerment every time. Would that be intent to commit? then that is worse than "manslaughter", if a wreck occurs.

    Two mph over any speed limit is NOT wreckless endangerment/criminally negligent homicide.

    I could have been a lawyer.... lol

    @calfoxwc said:

           two miles over the speed limit? or thirty miles over the speed limit? in heavy traffic or on a lonely highway?

    high speed - I can see a case for criminally negligent homocide. 95 mph on a highway, anywhere, would be wreckless endangerment every time. Would that be intent to commit? then that is worse than "manslaughter", if a wreck occurs.

    Two mph over any speed limit is NOT wreckless endangerment/criminally negligent homicide.

    I could have been a lawyer.... lol

    It is fuzzy because manslaughter is killing someone on accident while being intentionally or unintentionally negligent and/or while breaking the law (speeding). 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Good luck. 

    Another example of government overreach. 

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/against-parents-wishes-judge-rules-that-tampa-boy-with-leukemia-will-resume-chemotherapy-20190508/%3ftemplate=amp

    These parents are Retarded, but it's their right to seek what they feel best for their child.    Whether I would find it as negligence/manslaughter is another topic entirely.   (At worst forced sterilization) 

    Now, I must ask - if you find this to be government over reach like myself, why do you not feel the same about the judge denying an 11 year old her choice to avoid carrying a child of rape?  (Something forced upon her) not because of "inconvenience".  Rape isn't "inconvenient"... 

    (Rhetorical, the bulk of you are hypocrites and the alt profiles are on ignore) 

    .... Like I said, I'm far more consistent in the application of my ideals. 

    Not so fast with the "hypocritical" bs. I'm not speaking for the others but I don't feel saving a kid from imminent death is govt overreach, no more than it is when social services pulls a kid out of an abusive household.

    @gorka said:

    Not so fast with the "hypocritical" bs. I'm not speaking for the others but I don't feel saving a kid from imminent death is govt overreach, no more than it is when social services pulls a kid out of an abusive household.

    So we're to save people from themselves now in cases where the end result isnt in clear sight?  

    You must be a proponent of red flag laws then. Since you feel the government has the ability to step in and say what is ultimately best for the individual. 

    Again, the parents are seeking treatment. Just not the one their doctors would like to see.   Do we not have the right to refuse a doctors recommendation? 

  • The hypotheticals get crazy. Given the scenario where an "11 yr old gets raped" and is "held hostage by members who won't let her report it" etc etc etc

       so, she gets pregnant, gets an abortion. Later in life, the guilt gets to her - and she kills herself. Does that make abortion worth arguing over?

    Women Who Suffered Emotionally from Abortion: A Qualitative ...

     
    by PK Coleman - ‎2017 - ‎Cited by 3 - ‎Related articles
    out to other women who were considering the procedure or had obtained an abortion. ... about termination of a life, regret, shame, guilt, depression, anxiety, compromised ... risks to the average woman deciding to terminate a pregnancy.
  • People here have done an amazing job of not talking about the baby.

    There are no parallels when discussing putting to death an innocent child.

  • People here have done an amazing job of not talking about the baby.

    There are no parallels when discussing putting to death an innocent child.

    @hammertime said:

    People here have done an amazing job of not talking about the baby.

    There are no parallels when discussing putting to death an innocent child.

    You avoided answering the question of manslaughter and I repeatedly answered your question. Abortion and murder are not the same. No matter how hard you wish it to be. 

  • The hypotheticals get crazy. Given the scenario where an "11 yr old gets raped" and is "held hostage by members who won't let her report it" etc etc etc

       so, she gets pregnant, gets an abortion. Later in life, the guilt gets to her - and she kills herself. Does that make abortion worth arguing over?

    Women Who Suffered Emotionally from Abortion: A Qualitative ...

     
    by PK Coleman - ‎2017 - ‎Cited by 3 - ‎Related articles
    out to other women who were considering the procedure or had obtained an abortion. ... about termination of a life, regret, shame, guilt, depression, anxiety, compromised ... risks to the average woman deciding to terminate a pregnancy.

    @calfoxwc said:

    The hypotheticals get crazy. Given the scenario where an "11 yr old gets raped" and is "held hostage by members who won't let her report it" etc etc etc

       so, she gets pregnant, gets an abortion. Later in life, the guilt gets to her - and she kills herself. Does that make abortion worth arguing over?

    Women Who Suffered Emotionally from Abortion: A Qualitative ...

     
     
    by PK Coleman - ‎2017 - ‎Cited by 3 - ‎Related articles
    out to other women who were considering the procedure or had obtained an abortion. ... about termination of a life, regret, shame, guilt, depression, anxiety, compromised ... risks to the average woman deciding to terminate a pregnancy.

    But, it is their choice to make. I have known women who had abortions. It is never easy but they did what they felt they needed to do. No one else’s call.