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Dem state lawmaker records himself harassing pro-life woman outside Planned Parenthood

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  • @hammertime said:

    Different?

    Your killing a baby.  How is that not murder?

    Is that mother guilty of manslaughter? That will help you figure out the difference.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Is that mother guilty of manslaughter? That will help you figure out the difference.

    If abortion was illegal, then yes.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Good luck. 

    Another example of government overreach. 

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/against-parents-wishes-judge-rules-that-tampa-boy-with-leukemia-will-resume-chemotherapy-20190508/%3ftemplate=amp

    These parents are Retarded, but it's their right to seek what they feel best for their child.    Whether I would find it as negligence/manslaughter is another topic entirely.   (At worst forced sterilization) 

    Now, I must ask - if you find this to be government over reach like myself, why do you not feel the same about the judge denying an 11 year old her choice to avoid carrying a child of rape?  (Something forced upon her) not because of "inconvenience".  Rape isn't "inconvenient"... 

    (Rhetorical, the bulk of you are hypocrites and the alt profiles are on ignore) 

    .... Like I said, I'm far more consistent in the application of my ideals. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Good luck. 

    Another example of government overreach. 

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/against-parents-wishes-judge-rules-that-tampa-boy-with-leukemia-will-resume-chemotherapy-20190508/%3ftemplate=amp

    These parents are Retarded, but it's their right to seek what they feel best for their child.    Whether I would find it as negligence/manslaughter is another topic entirely.   (At worst forced sterilization) 

    Now, I must ask - if you find this to be government over reach like myself, why do you not feel the same about the judge denying an 11 year old her choice to avoid carrying a child of rape?  (Something forced upon her) not because of "inconvenience".  Rape isn't "inconvenient"... 

    (Rhetorical, the bulk of you are hypocrites and the alt profiles are on ignore) 

    .... Like I said, I'm far more consistent in the application of my ideals. 

    Not so fast with the "hypocritical" bs. I'm not speaking for the others but I don't feel saving a kid from imminent death is govt overreach, no more than it is when social services pulls a kid out of an abusive household.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

    Not sure, but if someone murders a pregnant woman and the baby dies he is charged with a double homicide is he not?

    @gorka said:

    Not sure, but if someone murders a pregnant woman and the baby dies he is charged with a double homicide is he not?

    Because it was against the will of the mother. It is a fuzzy area no doubt. If some people want the kid to be a legal person then in that scenario I laid out, the mom would be charged with manslaughter. I take the stance that because it is so morally fuzzy that I don’t feel I should be telling anyone what to do.

  • @hammertime said:

    Then come right out with it and say how it is.

    You feel murder is justified in this case.  Is that true?

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

           two miles over the speed limit? or thirty miles over the speed limit? in heavy traffic or on a lonely highway?

    high speed - I can see a case for criminally negligent homocide. 95 mph on a highway, anywhere, would be wreckless endangerment every time. Would that be intent to commit? then that is worse than "manslaughter", if a wreck occurs.

    Two mph over any speed limit is NOT wreckless endangerment/criminally negligent homicide.

    I could have been a lawyer.... lol

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Murder and abortion are different. You can use whichever terms you wish. Call it super duper holocaust destructo-murder to frame your argument and it still isn't the same.

     If an expecting mother wrecks a car while speeding and miscarries, did she commit manslaughter?

           two miles over the speed limit? or thirty miles over the speed limit? in heavy traffic or on a lonely highway?

    high speed - I can see a case for criminally negligent homocide. 95 mph on a highway, anywhere, would be wreckless endangerment every time. Would that be intent to commit? then that is worse than "manslaughter", if a wreck occurs.

    Two mph over any speed limit is NOT wreckless endangerment/criminally negligent homicide.

    I could have been a lawyer.... lol

    @calfoxwc said:

           two miles over the speed limit? or thirty miles over the speed limit? in heavy traffic or on a lonely highway?

    high speed - I can see a case for criminally negligent homocide. 95 mph on a highway, anywhere, would be wreckless endangerment every time. Would that be intent to commit? then that is worse than "manslaughter", if a wreck occurs.

    Two mph over any speed limit is NOT wreckless endangerment/criminally negligent homicide.

    I could have been a lawyer.... lol

    It is fuzzy because manslaughter is killing someone on accident while being intentionally or unintentionally negligent and/or while breaking the law (speeding). 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Good luck. 

    Another example of government overreach. 

     https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/against-parents-wishes-judge-rules-that-tampa-boy-with-leukemia-will-resume-chemotherapy-20190508/%3ftemplate=amp

    These parents are Retarded, but it's their right to seek what they feel best for their child.    Whether I would find it as negligence/manslaughter is another topic entirely.   (At worst forced sterilization) 

    Now, I must ask - if you find this to be government over reach like myself, why do you not feel the same about the judge denying an 11 year old her choice to avoid carrying a child of rape?  (Something forced upon her) not because of "inconvenience".  Rape isn't "inconvenient"... 

    (Rhetorical, the bulk of you are hypocrites and the alt profiles are on ignore) 

    .... Like I said, I'm far more consistent in the application of my ideals. 

    Not so fast with the "hypocritical" bs. I'm not speaking for the others but I don't feel saving a kid from imminent death is govt overreach, no more than it is when social services pulls a kid out of an abusive household.

    @gorka said:

    Not so fast with the "hypocritical" bs. I'm not speaking for the others but I don't feel saving a kid from imminent death is govt overreach, no more than it is when social services pulls a kid out of an abusive household.

    So we're to save people from themselves now in cases where the end result isnt in clear sight?  

    You must be a proponent of red flag laws then. Since you feel the government has the ability to step in and say what is ultimately best for the individual. 

    Again, the parents are seeking treatment. Just not the one their doctors would like to see.   Do we not have the right to refuse a doctors recommendation? 

  • The hypotheticals get crazy. Given the scenario where an "11 yr old gets raped" and is "held hostage by members who won't let her report it" etc etc etc

       so, she gets pregnant, gets an abortion. Later in life, the guilt gets to her - and she kills herself. Does that make abortion worth arguing over?

    Women Who Suffered Emotionally from Abortion: A Qualitative ...

     
    by PK Coleman - ‎2017 - ‎Cited by 3 - ‎Related articles
    out to other women who were considering the procedure or had obtained an abortion. ... about termination of a life, regret, shame, guilt, depression, anxiety, compromised ... risks to the average woman deciding to terminate a pregnancy.
  • People here have done an amazing job of not talking about the baby.

    There are no parallels when discussing putting to death an innocent child.

  • People here have done an amazing job of not talking about the baby.

    There are no parallels when discussing putting to death an innocent child.

    @hammertime said:

    People here have done an amazing job of not talking about the baby.

    There are no parallels when discussing putting to death an innocent child.

    You avoided answering the question of manslaughter and I repeatedly answered your question. Abortion and murder are not the same. No matter how hard you wish it to be. 

  • The hypotheticals get crazy. Given the scenario where an "11 yr old gets raped" and is "held hostage by members who won't let her report it" etc etc etc

       so, she gets pregnant, gets an abortion. Later in life, the guilt gets to her - and she kills herself. Does that make abortion worth arguing over?

    Women Who Suffered Emotionally from Abortion: A Qualitative ...

     
    by PK Coleman - ‎2017 - ‎Cited by 3 - ‎Related articles
    out to other women who were considering the procedure or had obtained an abortion. ... about termination of a life, regret, shame, guilt, depression, anxiety, compromised ... risks to the average woman deciding to terminate a pregnancy.

    @calfoxwc said:

    The hypotheticals get crazy. Given the scenario where an "11 yr old gets raped" and is "held hostage by members who won't let her report it" etc etc etc

       so, she gets pregnant, gets an abortion. Later in life, the guilt gets to her - and she kills herself. Does that make abortion worth arguing over?

    Women Who Suffered Emotionally from Abortion: A Qualitative ...

     
     
    by PK Coleman - ‎2017 - ‎Cited by 3 - ‎Related articles
    out to other women who were considering the procedure or had obtained an abortion. ... about termination of a life, regret, shame, guilt, depression, anxiety, compromised ... risks to the average woman deciding to terminate a pregnancy.

    But, it is their choice to make. I have known women who had abortions. It is never easy but they did what they felt they needed to do. No one else’s call.

  • People here have done an amazing job of not talking about the baby.

    There are no parallels when discussing putting to death an innocent child.

    @hammertime said:

    People here have done an amazing job of not talking about the baby.

    There are no parallels when discussing putting to death an innocent child.

    The baby isnt mine to account for abortion or not - the right of the parents to make a decision is in question by me and nothing else.    I've noted your pro life stance and asked you about the impending health risks to the 11 year old and the quality of life for not only her, but the baby and the child's parents. You have no answered any of those questions.  Then you ignore the parallel I offered with the Florida couple being forced by the state to seek the medical treatment counter to their beliefs.    So are we to respect religous and or personal freedom in thet case this time? 

    It's easy for you to be black and white when you aren't to suffer the consequences of something for which you did not choose. 

  • The hypotheticals get crazy. Given the scenario where an "11 yr old gets raped" and is "held hostage by members who won't let her report it" etc etc etc

       so, she gets pregnant, gets an abortion. Later in life, the guilt gets to her - and she kills herself. Does that make abortion worth arguing over?

    Women Who Suffered Emotionally from Abortion: A Qualitative ...

     
    by PK Coleman - ‎2017 - ‎Cited by 3 - ‎Related articles
    out to other women who were considering the procedure or had obtained an abortion. ... about termination of a life, regret, shame, guilt, depression, anxiety, compromised ... risks to the average woman deciding to terminate a pregnancy.

    @calfoxwc said:

    The hypotheticals get crazy. Given the scenario where an "11 yr old gets raped" and is "held hostage by members who won't let her report it" etc etc etc

       so, she gets pregnant, gets an abortion. Later in life, the guilt gets to her - and she kills herself. Does that make abortion worth arguing over?

    Women Who Suffered Emotionally from Abortion: A Qualitative ...

     
     
    by PK Coleman - ‎2017 - ‎Cited by 3 - ‎Related articles
    out to other women who were considering the procedure or had obtained an abortion. ... about termination of a life, regret, shame, guilt, depression, anxiety, compromised ... risks to the average woman deciding to terminate a pregnancy.

    There is no real "hypothetical" And I shouldn't have said that.  This is damn near a concrete example.  

    Did we forgot about the Castro girl kidnappings in your own backyard?  There are real world implications here. 

  • @hammertime said:

    Odd, I don’t think i’ve Ever posted a meme....

    I wouldn't bother, if you believe an 11 year old rape victim should be forced to keep a rapists child then I doubt you have any decent material. 

    Good day. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    I wouldn't bother, if you believe an 11 year old rape victim should be forced to keep a rapists child then I doubt you have any decent material. 

    Good day. 

    Plan B is a thing. But why would anyone be proactive when they could suffer the single most invasive, expensive, morally ambiguous, emotionally draining form of birth control? 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I wouldn't bother, if you believe an 11 year old rape victim should be forced to keep a rapists child then I doubt you have any decent material. 

    Good day. 

    Plan B is a thing. But why would anyone be proactive when they could suffer the single most invasive, expensive, morally ambiguous, emotionally draining form of birth control? 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Plan B is a thing. But why would anyone be proactive when they could suffer the single most invasive, expensive, morally ambiguous, emotionally draining form of birth control? 

    Most 11 year old kidnapped raped victims don't get the shot to hit up Walgreens for Plan B, homie.  

  • people who would force an 11 yr old girl to.go through with a pregnancy abd a rape one at that......honestly they should be dragged out to the curb and shot like rabbid dogs. Wheres the cutoff btw? what if she's 9? i mean u people are so spiritually befouled by ur fake sky ngr that u cant objectively look at reality and say "ok thats fucked". We can have a discussion about grown women who made their own decision......but an 11 yr old girl? ur not men anymore. Not an ounce of man about u. 

    and i know that if it was y'alls 11 yr old daughter u would be desperate to get her an abortion....andvthats the most fucked up part about u shitstains. 

  • @the-cysko-kid said:

    Plan B is a thing. But why would anyone be proactive when they could suffer the single most invasive, expensive, morally ambiguous, emotionally draining form of birth control? 

    Most 11 year old kidnapped raped victims don't get the shot to hit up Walgreens for Plan B, homie.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    Most 11 year old kidnapped raped victims don't get the shot to hit up Walgreens for Plan B, homie.  

    they wouldnt be allowed to buy it anyway...

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Most 11 year old kidnapped raped victims don't get the shot to hit up Walgreens for Plan B, homie.  

    they wouldnt be allowed to buy it anyway...

    @clevfan4life said:

    they wouldnt be allowed to buy it anyway...

    Notice the sarcastic tone. 

  • @clevfan4life said:

    they wouldnt be allowed to buy it anyway...

    Notice the sarcastic tone. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Notice the sarcastic tone. 

    yeah, i know.....but these half breed imbeciles seem to need shit spoonfed like babies. 

  • @vambo said:

    im ok with it now. These are oeople that would forbid an 11 yr old rape victim from getting an abortion so i hope these people get their asses kicked everytime they show up anywhere.

    ☕