Myles Garrett Agree or Disagree with DPOY?
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Great response, Flugel. I will say there were definitely times when I'd watch Myles and I'd be so frustrated that he repeatedly did his super wide edge rush, only to be nowhere near the play. The other teams seemed to know this and just drifted to the other side. I didn't see a ton of inverted spins, and frankly, his bull rush might be his best move against certain OL.
I've always felt the biggest hurdle to Myles' sack numbers was the opposite DE. Too often Myles got double and triple teamed, the QB drifted away from the left side, and Myles wasn't a factor. If Vernon gets consistent pressure, I'm not sure WHAT the ceiling is for Myles. He could be a 16 sack guy if healthy.
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Or....it's possible Williams was the reason for Garretts improvement to 13+ sacks last year.....maybe Garrett was wasting plays trying to get fancy and Williams coached him up cause he knew just what Garrett had to do to succeed.
Know what you do well and master it.....I think that might have been Williams point.....
with your standard run of the mill pass rushers, sure...get them good at one or two moves and you can get some pockets collapsing. With a talent like Garrett....I don't see the logic behind that. Let him react to what the tackle does. And as Garrett said in that video, he was becoming too predictable. Predictability is a bitch in the NFL.
with your standard run of the mill pass rushers, sure...get them good at one or two moves and you can get some pockets collapsing. With a talent like Garrett....I don't see the logic behind that. Let him react to what the tackle does. And as Garrett said in that video, he was becoming too predictable. Predictability is a bitch in the NFL.
While true, it's also possible MG isn't very good or nearly as polished at other moves (he had all off season ahead to work on) to the extent Cyde Simmons and GW didn't want him wasting any important game reps on trial and error. You gotta remember this was the first season he wasn't playing though an injury that kept getting re-aggravated so he's off to a good start.
If his biggest asset is 1st step explosion, you hold that hostage with the reaction to tackle mode you speak of. MG is a #1 overall pick here to dictate not react. I think he was doing really good with that so much so that when he was beating a lot of guys - MG began to complain none of the officials were calling what he felt were blatant holds, rinse and repeat. Quite a few of those came when he already got past the tackles that grabbed him from behind.
Just me; but I would have rather had Myles not say anything and work on these other moves in the off season. If he shows a position coach or DC the new moves are worth tapping - they'll give it a green light. The constant decisions go for it 4th and 1 stuff when we had the ball should remind you GW isn't a conservative kind of guy at all. Not only that, when he got the HC job in Buffalo years ago - he said on a radio interview that he often chipped in to help the STs in practice and the lateral they call the Music City Miracle from Frank Wychek to Dyson on the KO Return Unit was his idea they practiced until the right situation presented itself. Nothing conservative about the guy. I'm not saying we can't do better at DC; but I am saying GW probably had good enough reasons to just help MG make a Pro Bowl. In our gridiron chess table - the rook didn't need to be a queen. At least not yet...
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with your standard run of the mill pass rushers, sure...get them good at one or two moves and you can get some pockets collapsing. With a talent like Garrett....I don't see the logic behind that. Let him react to what the tackle does. And as Garrett said in that video, he was becoming too predictable. Predictability is a bitch in the NFL.
While true, it's also possible MG isn't very good or nearly as polished at other moves (he had all off season ahead to work on) to the extent Cyde Simmons and GW didn't want him wasting any important game reps on trial and error. You gotta remember this was the first season he wasn't playing though an injury that kept getting re-aggravated so he's off to a good start.
If his biggest asset is 1st step explosion, you hold that hostage with the reaction to tackle mode you speak of. MG is a #1 overall pick here to dictate not react. I think he was doing really good with that so much so that when he was beating a lot of guys - MG began to complain none of the officials were calling what he felt were blatant holds, rinse and repeat. Quite a few of those came when he already got past the tackles that grabbed him from behind.
Just me; but I would have rather had Myles not say anything and work on these other moves in the off season. If he shows a position coach or DC the new moves are worth tapping - they'll give it a green light. The constant decisions go for it 4th and 1 stuff when we had the ball should remind you GW isn't a conservative kind of guy at all. Not only that, when he got the HC job in Buffalo years ago - he said on a radio interview that he often chipped in to help the STs in practice and the lateral they call the Music City Miracle from Frank Wychek to Dyson on the KO Return Unit was his idea they practiced until the right situation presented itself. Nothing conservative about the guy. I'm not saying we can't do better at DC; but I am saying GW probably had good enough reasons to just help MG make a Pro Bowl. In our gridiron chess table - the rook didn't need to be a queen. At least not yet...
I think he was doing really good with that so much so that when he was beating a lot of guys - MG began to complain none of the officials were calling what he felt were blatant holds, rinse and repeat. Quite a few of those came when he already got past the tackles that grabbed him from behind.
He should have been used to that because in the SEC they used to get away with arms around the neck as he ran by them, often all the way to the ground and not called. They would pretend that their hand just slipped off his chest and inadvertently hooked around his neck. It's an old OL trick that still fools even NFL refs.
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Ok so you’re saying we have two #1 caliber pass rushers. And if somebody got hurt, we would still be good.
IMO, Vernon is more of an all around guy, good against the run and pass. Yes he has bully strength, I agree. But no way would I say is he more athletic than Garrett.
i dunno dude....watching vernon line up as a mlb'er, crash through a gap and chase down a quick little african american boy from behind was rather eye opening.
i dunno dude....watching vernon line up as a mlb'er, crash through a gap and chase down a quick little african american boy from behind was rather eye opening.
Different types of athleticism. But yea, he’s a beast, man
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with your standard run of the mill pass rushers, sure...get them good at one or two moves and you can get some pockets collapsing. With a talent like Garrett....I don't see the logic behind that. Let him react to what the tackle does. And as Garrett said in that video, he was becoming too predictable. Predictability is a bitch in the NFL.
While true, it's also possible MG isn't very good or nearly as polished at other moves (he had all off season ahead to work on) to the extent Cyde Simmons and GW didn't want him wasting any important game reps on trial and error. You gotta remember this was the first season he wasn't playing though an injury that kept getting re-aggravated so he's off to a good start.
If his biggest asset is 1st step explosion, you hold that hostage with the reaction to tackle mode you speak of. MG is a #1 overall pick here to dictate not react. I think he was doing really good with that so much so that when he was beating a lot of guys - MG began to complain none of the officials were calling what he felt were blatant holds, rinse and repeat. Quite a few of those came when he already got past the tackles that grabbed him from behind.
Just me; but I would have rather had Myles not say anything and work on these other moves in the off season. If he shows a position coach or DC the new moves are worth tapping - they'll give it a green light. The constant decisions go for it 4th and 1 stuff when we had the ball should remind you GW isn't a conservative kind of guy at all. Not only that, when he got the HC job in Buffalo years ago - he said on a radio interview that he often chipped in to help the STs in practice and the lateral they call the Music City Miracle from Frank Wychek to Dyson on the KO Return Unit was his idea they practiced until the right situation presented itself. Nothing conservative about the guy. I'm not saying we can't do better at DC; but I am saying GW probably had good enough reasons to just help MG make a Pro Bowl. In our gridiron chess table - the rook didn't need to be a queen. At least not yet...
While true, it's also possible MG isn't very good or nearly as polished at other moves (
not sure i buy that based on what i saw in college and watching our own OL struggle with him. I can buy that in alot of circumstances ur trying to create a specific pocket situation so u dont want ur rushers doing whatever....esoecially with mobile qb's. But when its just get to the qb anyway u can....u dont want guys focused on 1 or 2 predictable moves. Makes no sense to me. I see ur poiht with Kearse but Kearse was no myles in terms of oversll skillset.
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While true, it's also possible MG isn't very good or nearly as polished at other moves (
not sure i buy that based on what i saw in college and watching our own OL struggle with him. I can buy that in alot of circumstances ur trying to create a specific pocket situation so u dont want ur rushers doing whatever....esoecially with mobile qb's. But when its just get to the qb anyway u can....u dont want guys focused on 1 or 2 predictable moves. Makes no sense to me. I see ur poiht with Kearse but Kearse was no myles in terms of oversll skillset.
not sure i buy that based on what i saw in college and watching our own OL struggle with him. I can buy that in alot of circumstances ur trying to create a specific pocket situation so u dont want ur rushers doing whatever....esoecially with mobile qb's. But when its just get to the qb anyway u can....u dont want guys focused on 1 or 2 predictable moves. Makes no sense to me. I see ur poiht with Kearse but Kearse was no myles in terms of oversll skillset.
I'm not sure there's anything I can tell you that will make you feel better Clevsies. I still don't think we got the full story in terms of the why they only wanted him using 2 of the moves he's been taught. I do think there are reasons the man behind the decision never got to share in the way this info went public. If not, things are adding up here like A2+B2=ABBA
His position coach Clyde Simmons was a 2 time All Pro and 15 year vet with a 19 sack season and 13 sack season on the resume as a DE. Same guy coached Robert Quinn to 19 sacks in 2013 (a single season franchise record) and helped get Aaron Donald off to a great start hurrying/sacking passers. Hard to see a handcuffing mentality from Simmons there. Bruce Smith also worked with MG on moves and fundamentals thanks in large to GW initiating it. That's a pretty good wealth of knowledge and instructions Williams helped equip MG with. That's why it seems weird GW would do all that only to restrict the volume of moves he wants out of MG if had zero reason to do that.
It doesn't make sense especially when GW got career best seasons out of Kearse (as a rookie playing a brand new position) and Will Smith in the same seasons he coached both of those defenses to SBs. Pretty good track record for getting career best sack totals of out talented DEs that doesn't have me thinking chicken shitt DC at all. MG made the Pro Bowl the first season he was healthy in Cleveland. That may not make you feel better; but it's pretty good start to build on. If MG is disappointed like you are - that can be a good thing in the sense we won't have to worry about anyone needing to light his fanny. It's lit!
We'll see what happens this year...
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not sure i buy that based on what i saw in college and watching our own OL struggle with him. I can buy that in alot of circumstances ur trying to create a specific pocket situation so u dont want ur rushers doing whatever....esoecially with mobile qb's. But when its just get to the qb anyway u can....u dont want guys focused on 1 or 2 predictable moves. Makes no sense to me. I see ur poiht with Kearse but Kearse was no myles in terms of oversll skillset.
I'm not sure there's anything I can tell you that will make you feel better Clevsies. I still don't think we got the full story in terms of the why they only wanted him using 2 of the moves he's been taught. I do think there are reasons the man behind the decision never got to share in the way this info went public. If not, things are adding up here like A2+B2=ABBA
His position coach Clyde Simmons was a 2 time All Pro and 15 year vet with a 19 sack season and 13 sack season on the resume as a DE. Same guy coached Robert Quinn to 19 sacks in 2013 (a single season franchise record) and helped get Aaron Donald off to a great start hurrying/sacking passers. Hard to see a handcuffing mentality from Simmons there. Bruce Smith also worked with MG on moves and fundamentals thanks in large to GW initiating it. That's a pretty good wealth of knowledge and instructions Williams helped equip MG with. That's why it seems weird GW would do all that only to restrict the volume of moves he wants out of MG if had zero reason to do that.
It doesn't make sense especially when GW got career best seasons out of Kearse (as a rookie playing a brand new position) and Will Smith in the same seasons he coached both of those defenses to SBs. Pretty good track record for getting career best sack totals of out talented DEs that doesn't have me thinking chicken shitt DC at all. MG made the Pro Bowl the first season he was healthy in Cleveland. That may not make you feel better; but it's pretty good start to build on. If MG is disappointed like you are - that can be a good thing in the sense we won't have to worry about anyone needing to light his fanny. It's lit!
We'll see what happens this year...
I'm not sure there's anything I can tell you that will make you feel better Clevsies. I still don't think we got the full story in terms of the why they only wanted him using 2 of the moves he's been taught. I do think there are reasons the man behind the decision never got to share in the way this info went public. If not, things are adding up here like A2+B2=ABBA
His position coach Clyde Simmons was a 2 time All Pro and 15 year vet with a 19 sack season and 13 sack season on the resume as a DE. Same guy coached Robert Quinn to 19 sacks in 2013 (a single season franchise record) and helped get Aaron Donald off to a great start hurrying/sacking passers. Hard to see a handcuffing mentality from Simmons there. Bruce Smith also worked with MG on moves and fundamentals thanks in large to GW initiating it. That's a pretty good wealth of knowledge and instructions Williams helped equip MG with. That's why it seems weird GW would do all that only to restrict the volume of moves he wants out of MG if had zero reason to do that.
It doesn't make sense especially when GW got career best seasons out of Kearse (as a rookie playing a brand new position) and Will Smith in the same seasons he coached both of those defenses to SBs. Pretty good track record for getting career best sack totals of out talented DEs that doesn't have me thinking chicken shitt DC at all. MG made the Pro Bowl the first season he was healthy in Cleveland. That may not make you feel better; but it's pretty good start to build on. If MG is disappointed like you are - that can be a good thing in the sense we won't have to worry about anyone needing to light his fanny. It's lit!
We'll see what happens this year...
I just don't see MG as "Generational"... Michael Jordan and Jim Brown were "Generational".... MG has been just a little bit better than average.. I'm expecting BIG things out of him this year.. Or he can take a hike back to Texas...
EDIT!: I personally think MG is vastly overrated.. But we'll see... So far his sample size has been "just ok"...
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I'm not sure there's anything I can tell you that will make you feel better Clevsies. I still don't think we got the full story in terms of the why they only wanted him using 2 of the moves he's been taught. I do think there are reasons the man behind the decision never got to share in the way this info went public. If not, things are adding up here like A2+B2=ABBA
His position coach Clyde Simmons was a 2 time All Pro and 15 year vet with a 19 sack season and 13 sack season on the resume as a DE. Same guy coached Robert Quinn to 19 sacks in 2013 (a single season franchise record) and helped get Aaron Donald off to a great start hurrying/sacking passers. Hard to see a handcuffing mentality from Simmons there. Bruce Smith also worked with MG on moves and fundamentals thanks in large to GW initiating it. That's a pretty good wealth of knowledge and instructions Williams helped equip MG with. That's why it seems weird GW would do all that only to restrict the volume of moves he wants out of MG if had zero reason to do that.
It doesn't make sense especially when GW got career best seasons out of Kearse (as a rookie playing a brand new position) and Will Smith in the same seasons he coached both of those defenses to SBs. Pretty good track record for getting career best sack totals of out talented DEs that doesn't have me thinking chicken shitt DC at all. MG made the Pro Bowl the first season he was healthy in Cleveland. That may not make you feel better; but it's pretty good start to build on. If MG is disappointed like you are - that can be a good thing in the sense we won't have to worry about anyone needing to light his fanny. It's lit!
We'll see what happens this year...
I just don't see MG as "Generational"... Michael Jordan and Jim Brown were "Generational".... MG has been just a little bit better than average.. I'm expecting BIG things out of him this year.. Or he can take a hike back to Texas...
EDIT!: I personally think MG is vastly overrated.. But we'll see... So far his sample size has been "just ok"...
I just don't see MG as "Generational"... Michael Jordan and Jim Brown were "Generational".... MG has been just a little bit better than average.. I'm expecting BIG things out of him this year.. Or he can take a hike back to Texas...
EDIT!: I personally think MG is vastly overrated.. But we'll see... So far his sample size has been "just ok"...
he's been on a bad team with no other edge help. Khalil mack had 19 sacks after year 2...myles has 20.
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Myles has become a "Waterboys" supporter and is trying to raise $45,000 towards a water well in East Africa. They talked about this briefly on NFL Radio yesterday.
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I just don't see MG as "Generational"... Michael Jordan and Jim Brown were "Generational".... MG has been just a little bit better than average.. I'm expecting BIG things out of him this year.. Or he can take a hike back to Texas...
EDIT!: I personally think MG is vastly overrated.. But we'll see... So far his sample size has been "just ok"...
he's been on a bad team with no other edge help. Khalil mack had 19 sacks after year 2...myles has 20.
he's been on a bad team with no other edge help. Khalil mack had 19 sacks after year 2...myles has 20.
I get that.. This is a pivotal year for him... This is where you hope he ascends toward his prime...
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he's been on a bad team with no other edge help. Khalil mack had 19 sacks after year 2...myles has 20.
I get that.. This is a pivotal year for him... This is where you hope he ascends toward his prime...
I get that.. This is a pivotal year for him... This is where you hope he ascends toward his prime...
yeah there's really no excuse this year to not be a 12+ sack guy is there? lol. If you can't get double digit sacks with that front?......
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Myles is one helluva DE. I know it, you all know it, & NFL Teams know it. He will get a lot of "special treatment" from OLs this year. The big difference will be the guys on the DL with him. When MG is stopped, opportunities will be there for others & we have the horses now to take advantage of those opportunites. His sacks may go up, down, or stay as is, but his mere presence benefits the TEAM effort, whether or not he makes the tackle.
Myles Garrett is a playmaker AND play creator for others. THAT (imo) is what makes him great & so valuable. DPOY (based on stats)? Who knows? DMVP (based on value to Team)? Quite possibly.
We'll see.
Mike
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Then I think about how many times he was dragged down on the way to many other sacks.
Exactly. Sacks are great for stats guys but QB pressure and penalties are stats that don’t get the same love.
If Baker is the man on offense, he is the man on Defense. That’s what #1 picks are supposed to be. Explosive. Strong, long arms, etc.
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Just don’t make him angry...you wouldn’t like MG when he’s angry.
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Myles has become a "Waterboys" supporter and is trying to raise $45,000 towards a water well in East Africa. They talked about this briefly on NFL Radio yesterday.
Myles has become a "Waterboys" supporter and is trying to raise $45,000 towards a water well in East Africa. They talked about this briefly on NFL Radio yesterday.
Shout Out to Myles Garrett from the newly retired Chris Long https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27158495 big shoes to fill..Congrats & thanks MG.. (start about 3:20)
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Myles has become a "Waterboys" supporter and is trying to raise $45,000 towards a water well in East Africa. They talked about this briefly on NFL Radio yesterday.
Shout Out to Myles Garrett from the newly retired Chris Long https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27158495 big shoes to fill..Congrats & thanks MG.. (start about 3:20)
Shout Out to Myles Garrett from the newly retired Chris Long https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27158495 big shoes to fill..Congrats & thanks MG.. (start about 3:20)
Wow!-Myles as Waterboys Captain "for the next 10 or 15 years, whenever your HOF career is done".
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whens the fucking preseason start already fuck
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get this show fuckib started already
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I'm guessing (?? LOL) that Myles has his fair share of Fans other than Browns' Fans. It's nice to see him getting this well deserved praise from peers.
Mike
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whens the fucking preseason start already fuck
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get this show fuckib started already
get this show fuckib started already
One of my favorite DE moves to watch
Reggie White's Hump move, never gets old watching..Garrett has this in him..quit holding him back ?
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