Player v. Player
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Again, is Dorsey here to deliver us a sorority house catering to whose got hurt feelings or a playoff team?
Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore. You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead. Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.' And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.
John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore. Comedy is satire. It's ridicule. And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.
Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore. You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead. Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.' And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.
John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore. Comedy is satire. It's ridicule. And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.
First, Terry Glenn was the UPI and SI Rookie of the Year in 96 so I'm sure he appreciated the kick in the pants after it was all said and done. When Parcells became the Head Coach of the Cowboys in 2003, guess who told his agent he wanted to go play there? Terry Glenn. In fact, both guys closed their careers in Dallas. Parcells was there 2003-2006 and Glenn was there 2003-2007. Does that happen without mutual respect earned?
Football is the entertainment industry as they like to say especially when they want to get paid. Duke got paid and the guy that gave him the raise said he's not trading him yet. This ant hill doesn't have to be the mountain you want it to be for some reason. Now that we have a FO guy upgrading talent all over this roster - is this really all you want to dwell on?
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Again, we do not live in the Bill Parcells era anymore. You can't call Terry Glenn 'she' because you wanted a lineman drafted instead. Dorsey came right out and told us , I'm not a wordsmith.' And it was that un-wordsmithed word, 'yet', that raised the Duke situation up a couple of notches.
John Cleese said in an interview a few years back, 'You can't even play a college campus anymore. Comedy is satire. It's ridicule. And now everyone gets their little feelings hurt'.
First, Terry Glenn was the UPI and SI Rookie of the Year in 96 so I'm sure he appreciated the kick in the pants after it was all said and done. When Parcells became the Head Coach of the Cowboys in 2003, guess who told his agent he wanted to go play there? Terry Glenn. In fact, both guys closed their careers in Dallas. Parcells was there 2003-2006 and Glenn was there 2003-2007. Does that happen without mutual respect earned?
Football is the entertainment industry as they like to say especially when they want to get paid. Duke got paid and the guy that gave him the raise said he's not trading him yet. This ant hill doesn't have to be the mountain you want it to be for some reason. Now that we have a FO guy upgrading talent all over this roster - is this really all you want to dwell on?
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I stated my view. You're the one who kept commenting on it. I'm not gonna change my view....no matter how many times you reply to it.
Obviously you would fit in quite well on the Polyboard.?
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As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
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I respectfully disagree.....much like responding to entertainment heads that are clearly baiting him, to telling Duke "You are on the team or you're not"......he needs to not go there. 2nd year QB and you didn't have Brady, Rodgers, Brees.....going there and they had ample opportunity.
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As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
As I said.....players' shouldn't talk about other players moves or money.....unless you gonna give him part of your check. It's why Brady, Brees, Rodgers....etc don't do that
Rumor has it, the husband of Duke's agent has been hitting the cyberspace message boards hard lately.
I wonder how many times Duke tapped that guy's naughty wife while blowing off the voluntary mini camps for Frisky Business...
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I don't understand what the issue is? Baker is a star, Duke is not. Baker wants stars around him. Baker wants a Superbowl asap. Shouldn't surprise anyone he's backing Dorsey, Freddie and company.....
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THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....You have to be completely ignorant of locker rooms not to have seen this coming and I bet he don't open his mouth again about it.....
Several Browns players apparently weren't too happy with Baker Mayfield earlier this month after he called out running back Duke Johnson.
According to NFL.com, multiple players confronted Mayfield at some point after his comments were made on June 4 and voiced their displeasure. It seems Mayfield's teammates wanted to see the quarterback support Johnson rather than call him out through of the media.
Johnson has been demanding a trade since at least April, and although he showed up for mandatory minicamp in early June, he made it clear that he still wants to be traded, which didn't sit well with Mayfield.
"That's something that we've been dealing with for a while," Mayfield said on June 4, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "If we have guys that want to be here, they'll show that, they'll voice that. Obviously he's going to handle his stuff how he wants, but you're either on this train or you're not, it's moving. You can get out of the way or you can join us. So it is what it is."
Johnson presumably wants to be traded because he doesn't think he has much of a future in Cleveland, where he'll eventually be sitting behind Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. The Browns haven't really shown any interest in trading Johnson though, but that's probably because Hunt is going to be suspended for the first eight games of the season.
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THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....You have to be completely ignorant of locker rooms not to have seen this coming and I bet he don't open his mouth again about it.....
Several Browns players apparently weren't too happy with Baker Mayfield earlier this month after he called out running back Duke Johnson.
According to NFL.com, multiple players confronted Mayfield at some point after his comments were made on June 4 and voiced their displeasure. It seems Mayfield's teammates wanted to see the quarterback support Johnson rather than call him out through of the media.
Johnson has been demanding a trade since at least April, and although he showed up for mandatory minicamp in early June, he made it clear that he still wants to be traded, which didn't sit well with Mayfield.
"That's something that we've been dealing with for a while," Mayfield said on June 4, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "If we have guys that want to be here, they'll show that, they'll voice that. Obviously he's going to handle his stuff how he wants, but you're either on this train or you're not, it's moving. You can get out of the way or you can join us. So it is what it is."
Johnson presumably wants to be traded because he doesn't think he has much of a future in Cleveland, where he'll eventually be sitting behind Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. The Browns haven't really shown any interest in trading Johnson though, but that's probably because Hunt is going to be suspended for the first eight games of the season.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....You have to be completely ignorant of locker rooms not to have seen this coming and I bet he don't open his mouth again about it.....
Several Browns players apparently weren't too happy with Baker Mayfield earlier this month after he called out running back Duke Johnson.
According to NFL.com, multiple players confronted Mayfield at some point after his comments were made on June 4 and voiced their displeasure. It seems Mayfield's teammates wanted to see the quarterback support Johnson rather than call him out through of the media.
Johnson has been demanding a trade since at least April, and although he showed up for mandatory minicamp in early June, he made it clear that he still wants to be traded, which didn't sit well with Mayfield.
"That's something that we've been dealing with for a while," Mayfield said on June 4, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "If we have guys that want to be here, they'll show that, they'll voice that. Obviously he's going to handle his stuff how he wants, but you're either on this train or you're not, it's moving. You can get out of the way or you can join us. So it is what it is."
Johnson presumably wants to be traded because he doesn't think he has much of a future in Cleveland, where he'll eventually be sitting behind Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. The Browns haven't really shown any interest in trading Johnson though, but that's probably because Hunt is going to be suspended for the first eight games of the season.
Blah, blah, blah.
Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.
Non-Story. We're good.
Z
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THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....You have to be completely ignorant of locker rooms not to have seen this coming and I bet he don't open his mouth again about it.....
Several Browns players apparently weren't too happy with Baker Mayfield earlier this month after he called out running back Duke Johnson.
According to NFL.com, multiple players confronted Mayfield at some point after his comments were made on June 4 and voiced their displeasure. It seems Mayfield's teammates wanted to see the quarterback support Johnson rather than call him out through of the media.
Johnson has been demanding a trade since at least April, and although he showed up for mandatory minicamp in early June, he made it clear that he still wants to be traded, which didn't sit well with Mayfield.
"That's something that we've been dealing with for a while," Mayfield said on June 4, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "If we have guys that want to be here, they'll show that, they'll voice that. Obviously he's going to handle his stuff how he wants, but you're either on this train or you're not, it's moving. You can get out of the way or you can join us. So it is what it is."
Johnson presumably wants to be traded because he doesn't think he has much of a future in Cleveland, where he'll eventually be sitting behind Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. The Browns haven't really shown any interest in trading Johnson though, but that's probably because Hunt is going to be suspended for the first eight games of the season.
Blah, blah, blah.
Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.
Non-Story. We're good.
Z
Zombo said:
Blah, blah, blah.
Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.
Non-Story. We're good.
Z
I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...
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Zombo said:
Blah, blah, blah.
Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.
Non-Story. We're good.
Z
I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...
I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...
Mountain out of a molehill. Go back and see what Jarvis Landry said about that and the coaching "problem". Both non-stories the media jumps on to fill up space before preseason starts.
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I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...
Mountain out of a molehill. Go back and see what Jarvis Landry said about that and the coaching "problem". Both non-stories the media jumps on to fill up space before preseason starts.
Mountain out of a molehill. Go back and see what Jarvis Landry said about that and the coaching "problem". Both non-stories the media jumps on to fill up space before preseason starts.
When teammates confront you like this...it's not just a molehill. I bet he don't do it again.....
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In a related story "several Browns" were just added to Dorsey's trade list...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Mountain out of a molehill. Go back and see what Jarvis Landry said about that and the coaching "problem". Both non-stories the media jumps on to fill up space before preseason starts.
When teammates confront you like this...it's not just a molehill. I bet he don't do it again.....
When teammates confront you like this...it's not just a molehill. I bet he don't do it again.....
Knowing what I know about Baker (which isn't all that much really), I wouldn't bet heavily on it. But I understand what you're saying. Perhaps he'll learn to steer away from sounding like he's spitting venom. We all like his fire, desire and spirit...but you can't go through life always saying what you think.
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Zombo said:
Blah, blah, blah.
Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.
Non-Story. We're good.
Z
I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...
I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...
I think your take on this is is far from what the players actually think, what the fans think, what the coaching staff thinks ... Everyone knows Baker's the leader and everyone is all on board ... Except Duke. And Duke was nicely paid by the current Admin for his current role. If he's smart, he'll get out there and shine this year when he has his opportunity in the first 8 games, that is the best way to enhance his career, not stewing and letting your agent run their mouth ... Do you think that is what potential suitors want to see?
Baker is going to be a here a long time, Duke is not. Running back careers are generally short ... go out there and try and and win a ring while you can, and be the best you can be, the rest will fall into place.
Zombo
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I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...
I think your take on this is is far from what the players actually think, what the fans think, what the coaching staff thinks ... Everyone knows Baker's the leader and everyone is all on board ... Except Duke. And Duke was nicely paid by the current Admin for his current role. If he's smart, he'll get out there and shine this year when he has his opportunity in the first 8 games, that is the best way to enhance his career, not stewing and letting your agent run their mouth ... Do you think that is what potential suitors want to see?
Baker is going to be a here a long time, Duke is not. Running back careers are generally short ... go out there and try and and win a ring while you can, and be the best you can be, the rest will fall into place.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Everyone knows Baker's the leader and everyone is all on board ... Except Duke. And Duke was nicely paid by the current Admin for his current role. If he's smart, he'll get out there and shine this year when he has his opportunity
That is the single best thing that Duke can do......now that the football wold knows that he's open to being traded.
Whether it be blocking, catching passes, running with the ball or being a player on the sidelines.....do it like a team should be interested in you.
I'm hoping that it's in the past now. That when the players return and get questioned they can respond with something like, "We're done discussing that now. We're talking football'.
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Zombo said:
Everyone knows Baker's the leader and everyone is all on board ... Except Duke. And Duke was nicely paid by the current Admin for his current role. If he's smart, he'll get out there and shine this year when he has his opportunity
That is the single best thing that Duke can do......now that the football wold knows that he's open to being traded.
Whether it be blocking, catching passes, running with the ball or being a player on the sidelines.....do it like a team should be interested in you.
I'm hoping that it's in the past now. That when the players return and get questioned they can respond with something like, "We're done discussing that now. We're talking football'.
"We're done discussing that now. We're talking football'.
With Duke the first to utter this...
Bottom line for me in this whole non-event was that I did not see Baker getting anywhere near Duke's "wallet" with his comments. Duke's wallet was already set thru 2021... when he'll be 28. His use in 2019 will have no negative impact on his 2022 contract... when he'll be 29. In fact it's an easier argument to make that saving miles in the short term will help him in the long run.
Another argument that's easier to make? That Duke's lil hissy messed with the wallets of 52 teammates...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
"We're done discussing that now. We're talking football'.
With Duke the first to utter this...
Bottom line for me in this whole non-event was that I did not see Baker getting anywhere near Duke's "wallet" with his comments. Duke's wallet was already set thru 2021... when he'll be 28. His use in 2019 will have no negative impact on his 2022 contract... when he'll be 29. In fact it's an easier argument to make that saving miles in the short term will help him in the long run.
Another argument that's easier to make? That Duke's lil hissy messed with the wallets of 52 teammates...
I did not see Baker getting anywhere near Duke's "wallet" with his comments.
That's because this isn't about money. It's about not being wanted. (the Not Expendable Yet comment) Its about not being able to get any playing time with the signing of Hunt (save the 8 game grace period).
Duke wants to play football....and he doesn't see much of a chance to play here...so it's only natural to want to go somewhere and actually play.
Like I say, now that this is out in the open, Duke, Baker, Dorsey, everyone, has to let the cards fall the way they may as time goes by....until TC...Until pre season...Until the reg season....etc. Dorsey knows that Duke wants to go. If the right deal comes along, I'm certain that he won't turn it down just to spite Duke.
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Zombo said:
Blah, blah, blah.
Unless you are going to name names, take it to TMZ.
Non-Story. We're good.
Z
I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...
I bet he don't go there anymore.....guys gotta stop enabling this cat like he can't do anything wrong. Someone might sock him...
I hope it's not you who "socks him". That might hurt your wife's career as an agent. ? OOPS! I shouldn't assume, should I?
Mike
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I did not see Baker getting anywhere near Duke's "wallet" with his comments.
That's because this isn't about money. It's about not being wanted. (the Not Expendable Yet comment) Its about not being able to get any playing time with the signing of Hunt (save the 8 game grace period).
Duke wants to play football....and he doesn't see much of a chance to play here...so it's only natural to want to go somewhere and actually play.
Like I say, now that this is out in the open, Duke, Baker, Dorsey, everyone, has to let the cards fall the way they may as time goes by....until TC...Until pre season...Until the reg season....etc. Dorsey knows that Duke wants to go. If the right deal comes along, I'm certain that he won't turn it down just to spite Duke.
That's because this isn't about money.
Maybe, but that's not what was being said by "players" calling foul.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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