Brown pants on the road??
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I'm not crazy about the idea of playing around too much with the uniforms, but I won't have a conniption fit if they do it, especially in the preseason. Teams fiddle with their uniforms, including the Browns--you know, the guys who used to play in white helmets part of the time. The Browns just feel different because, well, for one thing, it's our team, and for another, most of the tweaks to the uniform have been minor.
Yes, the uniforms are traditional, but it's tradition that comes from a franchise that thinks this:
is an intimidating mascot (hat tip to the Browns Board, by the way, for being the first hit on Google Images for "Brownie the Elf").
Maybe this:
would scare people, but probably for the wrong reasons.
I've never gotten the love for Brownie. It's not just that he's an elf (which is more annoying or creepy than intimidating), but he's not even a particularly scary type of elf. Here's a relevent passage from the Wikipedia entry on brownies:
>>Customarily brownies (A type of hob – see hobgoblin) are said to inhabit houses and aid in tasks around the house. However, they don't like to be seen and will only work at night, traditionally in exchange for small gifts or food. They take quite a delight in porridge and honey. They usually abandon the house if their gifts are called payments, or if the owners of the house misuse them. Brownies make their homes in an unused part of the house.<<
That's right, the mighty elf that's been scaring the pants off the NFL for half a century have also been helping shoemakers for centuries. Good God.
Dennis
Yes, the uniforms are traditional, but it's tradition that comes from a franchise that thinks this:
is an intimidating mascot (hat tip to the Browns Board, by the way, for being the first hit on Google Images for "Brownie the Elf").
Dennis, when was the last time that you saw that elf thing endorsed or promoted by the team?
You can walk every inch of the Stadium and i guarantee you that, if at all, the only hint will be in some old photo.
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Yes, the uniforms are traditional, but it's tradition that comes from a franchise that thinks this:
is an intimidating mascot (hat tip to the Browns Board, by the way, for being the first hit on Google Images for "Brownie the Elf").
Dennis, when was the last time that you saw that elf thing endorsed or promoted by the team?
You can walk every inch of the Stadium and i guarantee you that, if at all, the only hint will be in some old photo.
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It's on a new hat I bought at the stadium last year in a logo starved moment.
i stand corrected. Coming to a tailgate party?
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When you're team is a winner, nobody wants to change a thing on the uniforms. When you've been through what we've been through the last 15 years, everything seems to need changing. Keep the uniforms, and put playmakers in them.
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I think we've all commented on this topic once or twice before? At least it's not another QB thread!
I still agree that a change in the Browns' uni's would be nice. Reading all the suggestions, I don't think anyone is really proposing a radical change. More or less, we all just want to see them upgraded to the new century?! Adding a stripe or stripes to the pants would look good...removing some of the stripes from the jersey would help...changing the orange to a metallic orange would look great...I don't mind a possible logo on the helmets, but don't really favor it either way. I think, if done correctly, it would look good. The helmets are a little dull, but I think altering the orange would help that and maybe, as someone already suggested, mixing in a little silver with our colors.
I'm not going to sit here and say that changing uni's will help the product on the field. But it could help with the fan base and definitely would help in merchandise sales. We know that if the team makes more money, they will be willing to spend more money.
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@shepwrite said:
A matter of taste. I like the Ravens black pants with just the Raven and nothing else... and I like the Browns all brown pants with just a logo, too... like the big B or something.That wouldn't be a bad idea or maybe just the helmet. I'd settle for maybe a few alterations to the uniforms and maybe a new logo. I mean some shows just show us as the color orange or just our helmet or the dawg face or just then word Browns or just the elf. It'd be nice to settle on one logo and run with it.
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It's on a new hat I bought at the stadium last year in a logo starved moment.
i stand corrected. Coming to a tailgate party?
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I think we've all commented on this topic once or twice before? At least it's not another QB thread!
I still agree that a change in the Browns' uni's would be nice. Reading all the suggestions, I don't think anyone is really proposing a radical change. More or less, we all just want to see them upgraded to the new century?! Adding a stripe or stripes to the pants would look good...removing some of the stripes from the jersey would help...changing the orange to a metallic orange would look great...I don't mind a possible logo on the helmets, but don't really favor it either way. I think, if done correctly, it would look good. The helmets are a little dull, but I think altering the orange would help that and maybe, as someone already suggested, mixing in a little silver with our colors.
I'm not going to sit here and say that changing uni's will help the product on the field. But it could help with the fan base and definitely would help in merchandise sales. We know that if the team makes more money, they will be willing to spend more money.
I think we've all commented on this topic once or twice before? At least it's not another QB thread!
I still agree that a change in the Browns' uni's would be nice. Reading all the suggestions, I don't think anyone is really proposing a radical change. More or less, we all just want to see them upgraded to the new century?! Adding a stripe or stripes to the pants would look good...removing some of the stripes from the jersey would help...changing the orange to a metallic orange would look great...I don't mind a possible logo on the helmets, but don't really favor it either way. I think, if done correctly, it would look good. The helmets are a little dull, but I think altering the orange would help that and maybe, as someone already suggested, mixing in a little silver with our colors.
I'm not going to sit here and say that changing uni's will help the product on the field. But it could help with the fan base and definitely would help in merchandise sales. We know that if the team makes more money, they will be willing to spend more money.
Agree with all including a general reservation to a helmet logo. Even Penn State has a cool looking lion they splash darn near everywhere except the helmet. It's a fan pleaser. It's also a reason the dog thing took off with Hanford, proving that fans like logos and mascots. Browns fans may even be starving for one. For the Tribe, I love the cartoon Wahoo. I know it has baggage, but hey, I'm Irish, and I realize the corny leprechaun ND uses is nothing more than a cartoon. But, that topic is for another thread.
Back to the point, a little effort on the uni's would be enough for me. Brown pants and a cool stripe or logo would be fine. Metallic orange helmets is intriguing me too.
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I like the numbers on the side as well, check out my avatar over there <------- The numbers look sweet.
I also like the orange Jerseys, I think orange jersey white pants, brown jersey white pants, white jersey orange pants, and brown jersey orange pants are all good combos.
Just not orange jersey brown pants, or brown jersey orange pants.
I do have to say I think the brown pants are bad luck, we were destroyed in that game
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The only thing worse than the white jersey and brown pants was the brown jersey and orange pants. Holy Christ that was ugly. Brown jerseys and brown pants would be absolutely horrific.
I'm with whoever said we should wear all white for all 19 games. I'll take the occasional Brown Jerseys with the white pants just for a change of pace..maybe once or twice out of the 16 games. But white on white the rest of the time for me...
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I wonder if theres anything we the fans can do to push for numbers on the helmets
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@shepwrite said:
Seriously, Mark? You like the white on white?Do you use condiments on your sandwiches? Do you like boiled fish?
Seriously I like the white on white... and no I don't use condiments on my sandwiches since you're asking. I like boiled lobster if that counts.
Don't tell me that you liked the orange and brown or god forbid the brown/brown combo that we;re talking about?
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The Brown pants need a stripe. I like the white/orange/white idea and it needs to be thick. Then I'd be okay with them.
No orange jersey. EVER. PERIOD. It's hideous and we are not the Bengals, who truly have the worst uni's in football.
I like the numbers on the helmets. I could probably get used to that fulltime.
Orange pants only for the two throwback games. And only with brown tops.
White/white is classic and I like it but again only with thick stripes, top and bottom, to break up the white.
My favorite is brown top/white bottom though. It just looks like the Browns to me with that combo.
As for logo/mascot, I like the elf but only as a throwback/retro thing.
I HATE the current dog symbol. In fact, I hate the whole "dawg" thing totally, mostly because it's outdated. Like the elf, it should be relegated to throwback/retro status and should not be part of current marketing. The Dawg Pound is fine but as you old-timers know, it ain't the same anyway, so why pretend? In 20 years, no one will know or care what the Dawg Pound stood for and I don't see another Big Dawg taking over, do you guys?
I don't think any big logo or mascot are needed but I do think there's room to sell different forms of "Cleveland" and "Browns" like the script in the end zones.
I also think there should be a consistent CB logo, something blocky and old school, strong and classic and then an offshoot B logo. Maybe incorporate a football image somehow.
If I was the marketing guy, I'd play up the classic, working-class, blue-collar FOOTBALL aspects and make the lack of anything shiny and exciting a strength.
For reference, look at the White Sox return to their classic Sox logo and black and white pinstripe look after experimenting with all sorts of ugly, red and blue weirdness and "modern" logo from the 80s. (Ironically, that abandoned "modern" logo is now their primary throwback/retro logo.) They don't have a great mascot but they made their SOX logo iconic (with the help of gangsta rappers, of course). That's what the Browns need to do.
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I am really bored so I tinkered around a bit. something like this
Like Granny always said- "If you can't be good...Be good at It." -
I am really bored so I tinkered around a bit. something like this
I like it Skinny - although I don't think Papa NFL will let any team have more than one helmet. And I also don't know if fans would embrace losing the pumpkinhead for half of the games. I'd be willing to give it a try, though. And I agree that making the numbers permanent on the sides is the only thing I'd allow there. Good stuff!
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I am really bored so I tinkered around a bit. something like this
Change is good but some things aint broke so don't change em. White helmet = NO! Orange pants = NO, never again. Numbers / logos = NO!
Apart from that I support them to do what they like. Apart from any changes to the colours, stripes, logoless situation and colour combination of tops / pants. OMG, I hate change, don't I.
Let's get a winning team and I think the focus on peripheral pansy uniform changes will diappear. there is nothing wrong with our Unis, alot wrong with our performance. We've had this debate before, new unis does not equal field success. And I personally think we are the coolest looking bunch of football payers on the planet anyway.
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I like white on white as well since we win more wearing the white.
I don't mind the brown, but i wish they went back to the original brown which was several shade lighter in color.
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