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  • C CLEVELandMILIDH

    Cleveland's not even in the top 40 in terms of crime rate by city

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...s_by_crime_rate

    Were not in the top 100 in terms of coldest cities with atleast 50,000 in population

    http://www.city-data.com/top2/c456.html

    And as far as sports, atleast we have a team in the three major sports, Indians, Cavs, Browns. Weather or not a Team has won a championship in the last decade isnt a barometer as to weather the cites miserable to live in. Columbus has no professional teams and a higher crime rate. There reasoning for selecting Cleveland #1 has no merit.

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    @clevelandmilidh said:

    Cleveland's not even in the top 40 in terms of crime rate by city

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...s_by_crime_rate

    According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

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      @clevelandmilidh said:

      Cleveland's not even in the top 40 in terms of crime rate by city

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...s_by_crime_rate

      According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

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      @texasag1969 said:

      According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

      I wrote:

      Per the FBI's list of cities with the most violent crimes per capita, the following top the list:

      1. New York

      2. Los Angeles

      3. Chicago

      4. Houston

      5. Phoenix

      6. Philadelphia

      7. Las Vegas

      8. San Antonio

      9. Dallas

      10. San Diego

      11. San Jose

      12. Honolulu

      Tell me where you think I got this data from

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        @texasag1969 said:

        According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

        I wrote:

        Per the FBI's list of cities with the most violent crimes per capita, the following top the list:

        1. New York

        2. Los Angeles

        3. Chicago

        4. Houston

        5. Phoenix

        6. Philadelphia

        7. Las Vegas

        8. San Antonio

        9. Dallas

        10. San Diego

        11. San Jose

        12. Honolulu

        Tell me where you think I got this data from

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        @the-gipper said:

        Tell me where you think I got this data from

        Not yours Gip. I was using the total crime rate per 100,000 from the quote I included in my response.

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          @the-gipper said:

          Tell me where you think I got this data from

          Not yours Gip. I was using the total crime rate per 100,000 from the quote I included in my response.

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          @texasag1969 said:

          Not yours Gip. I was using the total crime rate per 100,000 from the quote I included in my response.

          Well, I used something that said "FBI list of cities with most violent crimes per capita."   I don't know if I used Wikipedia, or the FBI's own website, or something else.   I didn't make it up.  Not sure where I got it. 

          (remember also...I did this research in 2010....the stats you reflect are from 2017.   Don't know if things could have changed that drastically in that time.

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            @clevelandmilidh said:

            Cleveland's not even in the top 40 in terms of crime rate by city

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States...s_by_crime_rate

            According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

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            @texasag1969 said:

            According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

            One bad side of town or neighborhood or suburb can kind of ruin things for a ciy or region happens now all over the world.

            Just look at South Chicago or the east side of Cleveland or South Central LA or many other cities now. 

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              @texasag1969 said:

              According to that chart you provided Cleveland's crime rate of 1556+ per 100,000 is #7 worst in the country after St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, KC and Milwaukee. Read the chart again under "Total" per 100,000.

              One bad side of town or neighborhood or suburb can kind of ruin things for a ciy or region happens now all over the world.

              Just look at South Chicago or the east side of Cleveland or South Central LA or many other cities now. 

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              @mjp28 said:

              One bad side of town or neighborhood or suburb can kind of ruin things for a ciy or region happens now all over the world.

              Just look at South Chicago or the east side of Cleveland or South Central LA or many other cities now. 

              There are areas of Houston and Dallas I would definitely have on my concealed 9mm (I have the license to carry).

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                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

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                  Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

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                  @diehardbrownsfan said:

                  Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

                  You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

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                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                    Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

                    You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

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                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                    @the-gipper said:

                    You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

                    Not likely.

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                      @the-gipper said:

                      You might more likely be killed for some other reasons.

                      Not likely.

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                      @diehardbrownsfan said:

                      Not likely.

                      YeahYeah

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                        Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

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                        @diehardbrownsfan said:

                        Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

                        There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

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                          @diehardbrownsfan said:

                          Cleveland is definetely a high crime city, the suburbs are mostly safe however.  I wouldn't go to E78th and St. Clair where my dear grandparents lived now or I would probably be killed because I'm white.

                          There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

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                          @mjp28 said:

                          There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

                          Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

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                            @mjp28 said:

                            There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

                            Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

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                            @the-gipper said:

                            Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

                            The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

                            https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

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                              @the-gipper said:

                              Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

                              The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

                              https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

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                              @texasag1969 said:

                              The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

                              https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

                              Yep, been there to the Big Thicket.

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                                Well my old favorite Forbes magazine 20 happiest and unhappiest cities in 2019........hello Ohio?  

                                Top 20 Happiest Cities in America https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/03/12/20-happiest-and-20-unhappiest-cities-in-america/#7a6bad483a70

                                1. Plano, Texas
                                2. Irvine, California
                                3. Madison, Wisconsin
                                4. Fremont, California
                                5. Huntington Beach, California
                                6. Fargo, North Dakota
                                7. Grand Prairie, Texas
                                8. San Jose, California
                                9. Scottsdale, Arizona
                                10. San Francisco, California
                                11. Bismarck, North Dakota
                                12. Overland Park, Kansas
                                13. Santa Rosa, California
                                14. Austin, Texas
                                15. Sioux Falls, South Dakota
                                16. Pearl City, Hawaii
                                17. Glendale, California
                                18. San Diego, California
                                19. St. Paul, Minnesota
                                20. Charleston, South Carolina

                                20 Unhappiest Cities in America

                                1. Detroit, Michigan
                                2. Toledo, Ohio
                                3. Charleston, West Virginia
                                4. Birmingham, Alabama
                                5. Cleveland, Ohio
                                6. Gulfport, Mississippi
                                7. Little Rock, Arkansas
                                8. Huntington, West Virginia
                                9. Newark, New Jersey
                                10. Mobile, Alabama
                                11. Augusta, Georgia
                                12. St. Louis, Missouri
                                13. Fort Smith, Arkansas
                                14. Cincinnati, Ohio
                                15. Akron, Ohio
                                16. Fayetteville, North Carolina
                                17. Columbus, Georgia
                                18. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
                                19. Memphis, Tennessee
                                20. Shreveport, Louisiana
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                                @mjp28 said:

                                Well my old favorite Forbes magazine 20 happiest and unhappiest cities in 2019........hello Ohio?  

                                Top 20 Happiest Cities in America https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/03/12/20-happiest-and-20-unhappiest-cities-in-america/#7a6bad483a70

                                1. Plano, Texas
                                2. Irvine, California
                                3. Madison, Wisconsin
                                4. Fremont, California
                                5. Huntington Beach, California
                                6. Fargo, North Dakota
                                7. Grand Prairie, Texas
                                8. San Jose, California
                                9. Scottsdale, Arizona
                                10. San Francisco, California
                                11. Bismarck, North Dakota
                                12. Overland Park, Kansas
                                13. Santa Rosa, California
                                14. Austin, Texas
                                15. Sioux Falls, South Dakota
                                16. Pearl City, Hawaii
                                17. Glendale, California
                                18. San Diego, California
                                19. St. Paul, Minnesota
                                20. Charleston, South Carolina

                                20 Unhappiest Cities in America

                                1. Detroit, Michigan
                                2. Toledo, Ohio
                                3. Charleston, West Virginia
                                4. Birmingham, Alabama
                                5. Cleveland, Ohio
                                6. Gulfport, Mississippi
                                7. Little Rock, Arkansas
                                8. Huntington, West Virginia
                                9. Newark, New Jersey
                                10. Mobile, Alabama
                                11. Augusta, Georgia
                                12. St. Louis, Missouri
                                13. Fort Smith, Arkansas
                                14. Cincinnati, Ohio
                                15. Akron, Ohio
                                16. Fayetteville, North Carolina
                                17. Columbus, Georgia
                                18. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
                                19. Memphis, Tennessee
                                20. Shreveport, Louisiana

                                How was happiness or unhappiness measured what did they use a massive mood ring. 

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                                  So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

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                                    So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

                                    WSS

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                                    So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

                                    WSS

                                    Not sure what you are referring to. 

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                                      So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

                                      WSS

                                      Not sure what you are referring to. 

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                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      Not sure what you are referring to. 

                                      The guy that wrote the second Post in this thread.

                                      Has contributed one post and that's the bitch about Cleveland I'm smelling troll.

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                                        Can't argue with what he posted ..

                                        It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

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                                          Can't argue with what he posted ..

                                          It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

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                                          @axe said:

                                          Can't argue with what he posted ..

                                          It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

                                          The hell I can't argue with what he posted. Why  on earth would you ever think that bullshit is inarguable?

                                          Again...here are the criteria that the article he posted used:

                                          Our Misery Measure takes into account:

                                          unemployment,

                                          taxes (both sales and income),

                                          commute times,

                                          violent crime

                                          and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. We also factored in two indexes put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that gauge

                                          weather and

                                          Superfund pollution sites.  (Superfund sites are ground pollution issues. Why is not air and water pollution a factor as well?

                                          Lastly we considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each area as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.  (I am trying to figure out how this particular matter has anything to do with overall happiness)

                                          I guess I could go through these all again and demonstrate how Cleveland is NOT anywhere near at the top of these lists than many, many other cities. 

                                          If I were to get updated to 2018 data....similar to what I had put on here before, again, I can guarantee that a city like San Diego suffers even worse in all these categories than does Cleveland.  Hell...as I said, they had another sports team leave town....where Cleveland had teams in the sports championship finals 5 times in the last  5-6 years. 

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