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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mjp28 said:

    There are areas in our wonderful country that even our well armed and trained police won't go without backup.  Sad.

    Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

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    @the-gipper said:

    Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

    The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

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      @the-gipper said:

      Sherlock Holmes said that he would rather hang around some of the worst slums of London rather than be out into the countryside because he thought crime out there was far worse so maybe it’s the same in this country maybe the cities are safer than the country. 

      The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

      https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

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      @texasag1969 said:

      The bayous of Louisiana hold a lot of secrets. James Lee Burke is an excellent crime novel writer that brings that to life in his "Dave Robicheaux" books. But the best kept secret is the deep woods of East Texas. Rumor has it that the mafia that operated in Galveston years ago loved to "visit" The Big Thicket" with their former "friends".

      https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrEeNuIjjldVAkA9wwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=the+big+thicket+east+texas&fr=yhs-pty-pty_packages&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_packages#id=68&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmyrahmcilvain.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F05%2F20100330143955old_big_thicket.png&action=click

      Yep, been there to the Big Thicket.

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        Well my old favorite Forbes magazine 20 happiest and unhappiest cities in 2019........hello Ohio?  

        Top 20 Happiest Cities in America https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/03/12/20-happiest-and-20-unhappiest-cities-in-america/#7a6bad483a70

        1. Plano, Texas
        2. Irvine, California
        3. Madison, Wisconsin
        4. Fremont, California
        5. Huntington Beach, California
        6. Fargo, North Dakota
        7. Grand Prairie, Texas
        8. San Jose, California
        9. Scottsdale, Arizona
        10. San Francisco, California
        11. Bismarck, North Dakota
        12. Overland Park, Kansas
        13. Santa Rosa, California
        14. Austin, Texas
        15. Sioux Falls, South Dakota
        16. Pearl City, Hawaii
        17. Glendale, California
        18. San Diego, California
        19. St. Paul, Minnesota
        20. Charleston, South Carolina

        20 Unhappiest Cities in America

        1. Detroit, Michigan
        2. Toledo, Ohio
        3. Charleston, West Virginia
        4. Birmingham, Alabama
        5. Cleveland, Ohio
        6. Gulfport, Mississippi
        7. Little Rock, Arkansas
        8. Huntington, West Virginia
        9. Newark, New Jersey
        10. Mobile, Alabama
        11. Augusta, Georgia
        12. St. Louis, Missouri
        13. Fort Smith, Arkansas
        14. Cincinnati, Ohio
        15. Akron, Ohio
        16. Fayetteville, North Carolina
        17. Columbus, Georgia
        18. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
        19. Memphis, Tennessee
        20. Shreveport, Louisiana
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        @mjp28 said:

        Well my old favorite Forbes magazine 20 happiest and unhappiest cities in 2019........hello Ohio?  

        Top 20 Happiest Cities in America https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2019/03/12/20-happiest-and-20-unhappiest-cities-in-america/#7a6bad483a70

        1. Plano, Texas
        2. Irvine, California
        3. Madison, Wisconsin
        4. Fremont, California
        5. Huntington Beach, California
        6. Fargo, North Dakota
        7. Grand Prairie, Texas
        8. San Jose, California
        9. Scottsdale, Arizona
        10. San Francisco, California
        11. Bismarck, North Dakota
        12. Overland Park, Kansas
        13. Santa Rosa, California
        14. Austin, Texas
        15. Sioux Falls, South Dakota
        16. Pearl City, Hawaii
        17. Glendale, California
        18. San Diego, California
        19. St. Paul, Minnesota
        20. Charleston, South Carolina

        20 Unhappiest Cities in America

        1. Detroit, Michigan
        2. Toledo, Ohio
        3. Charleston, West Virginia
        4. Birmingham, Alabama
        5. Cleveland, Ohio
        6. Gulfport, Mississippi
        7. Little Rock, Arkansas
        8. Huntington, West Virginia
        9. Newark, New Jersey
        10. Mobile, Alabama
        11. Augusta, Georgia
        12. St. Louis, Missouri
        13. Fort Smith, Arkansas
        14. Cincinnati, Ohio
        15. Akron, Ohio
        16. Fayetteville, North Carolina
        17. Columbus, Georgia
        18. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
        19. Memphis, Tennessee
        20. Shreveport, Louisiana

        How was happiness or unhappiness measured what did they use a massive mood ring. 

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          So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

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            So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

            WSS

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            @westside-steve said:

            So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

            WSS

            Not sure what you are referring to. 

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              @westside-steve said:

              So who is this baseball Boomhauer? 1 Post?

              WSS

              Not sure what you are referring to. 

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              @the-gipper said:

              Not sure what you are referring to. 

              The guy that wrote the second Post in this thread.

              Has contributed one post and that's the bitch about Cleveland I'm smelling troll.

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                AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by Axe
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                Can't argue with what he posted ..

                It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

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                  Can't argue with what he posted ..

                  It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

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                  @axe said:

                  Can't argue with what he posted ..

                  It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

                  The hell I can't argue with what he posted. Why  on earth would you ever think that bullshit is inarguable?

                  Again...here are the criteria that the article he posted used:

                  Our Misery Measure takes into account:

                  unemployment,

                  taxes (both sales and income),

                  commute times,

                  violent crime

                  and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. We also factored in two indexes put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that gauge

                  weather and

                  Superfund pollution sites.  (Superfund sites are ground pollution issues. Why is not air and water pollution a factor as well?

                  Lastly we considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each area as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.  (I am trying to figure out how this particular matter has anything to do with overall happiness)

                  I guess I could go through these all again and demonstrate how Cleveland is NOT anywhere near at the top of these lists than many, many other cities. 

                  If I were to get updated to 2018 data....similar to what I had put on here before, again, I can guarantee that a city like San Diego suffers even worse in all these categories than does Cleveland.  Hell...as I said, they had another sports team leave town....where Cleveland had teams in the sports championship finals 5 times in the last  5-6 years. 

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                    Unemployment for 2019:

                    https://www.bls.gov/web/metro/laummtrk.htm

                    Cleveland at  4.7%.  About average for all US metro areas.

                    All of the following had higher:

                    Danville, IL Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.7 308

                    Elizabethtown-Fort Knox, KY Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.7 308

                    New Bern, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.7 308

                    Waterbury, CT Metropolitan NECTA

                    4.7 308

                    Wheeling, WV-OH Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.7 308

                    Clarksville, TN-KY Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.8 316

                    Goldsboro, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.8 316

                    Greensboro-High Point, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.8 316

                    Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.8 316

                    Memphis, TN-MS-AR Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.8 316

                    Salinas, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.8 316

                    Scranton--Wilkes-Barre--Hazleton, PA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.8 316

                    Baton Rouge, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.9 323

                    East Stroudsburg, PA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.9 323

                    Prescott, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    4.9 323

                    Bay City, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.0 326

                    Beckley, WV Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.0 326

                    Decatur, IL Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.0 326

                    New Orleans-Metairie, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.0 326

                    Tucson, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.0 326

                    Grants Pass, OR Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.1 331

                    Saginaw, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.1 331

                    Sebring, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.1 331

                    Walla Walla, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.1 331

                    Bremerton-Silverdale, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.2 335

                    Chico, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.2 335

                    Greenville, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.2 335

                    Hattiesburg, MS Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.2 335

                    Homosassa Springs, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.2 335

                    Houma-Thibodaux, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.2 335

                    Lafayette, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.2 335

                    Parkersburg-Vienna, WV Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.2 335

                    The Villages, FL Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.2 335

                    Albuquerque, NM Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.3 344

                    Jackson, MS Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.3 344

                    Jacksonville, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.3 344

                    Johnstown, PA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.3 344

                    Kennewick-Richland, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.3 344

                    Olympia-Tumwater, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.3 344

                    Rockford, IL Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.3 344

                    Bellingham, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.4 351

                    Fairbanks, AK Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.4 351

                    Flint, MI Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.4 351

                    Huntington-Ashland, WV-KY-OH Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.4 351

                    Pine Bluff, AR Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.4 351

                    Weirton-Steubenville, WV-OH Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.5 356

                    Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.6 357

                    Brownsville-Harlingen, TX Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.6 357

                    Spokane-Spokane Valley, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.6 357

                    Youngstown-Warren-Boardman, OH-PA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.6 357

                    Alexandria, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.7 361

                    Anchorage, AK Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.7 361

                    Fayetteville, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.7 361

                    Shreveport-Bossier City, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.7 361

                    Monroe, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.8 365

                    Mount Vernon-Anacortes, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.8 365

                    Cumberland, MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.9 367

                    Gulfport-Biloxi-Pascagoula, MS Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    5.9 367

                    Stockton-Lodi, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.0 369

                    Flagstaff, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.1 370

                    Rocky Mount, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.1 370

                    Hammond, LA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.2 372

                    McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.2 372

                    Yakima, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.2 372

                    Farmington, NM Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.3 375

                    Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.3 375

                    Las Cruces, NM Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.3 375

                    Sierra Vista-Douglas, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.3 375

                    Modesto, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.5 379

                    Longview, WA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.7 380

                    Yuba City, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    6.7 380

                    Madera, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    7.0 382

                    Fresno, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    7.1 383

                    Hanford-Corcoran, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    7.9 384

                    Bakersfield, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    8.0 385

                    Merced, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    8.1 386

                    Visalia-Porterville, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    9.1 387

                    El Centro, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area

                    18.6 388

                    Yuma, AZ Metropolitan Statistical Area

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                      Taxes:

                      https://www.businessinsider.com/state-and-local-income-and-sales-taxes-in-the-25-biggest-us-cities-2019-3

                      Cleveland NOT in the top 25 in taxes among major US cities.

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                        Commute times:

                        https://www.businessinsider.com/worst-commutes-in-us-ranked-2019-6

                        Cleveland not in the Top 50 of worst commute times

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                          Superfund/pollution:

                          This website gives the worst cities in America...combining groud/water/air

                          https://www.forbes.com/2011/02/28/most-toxic-cities-personal-finance_slide.html#199bcecb49a8

                          Cleveland NOT listed.

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                            Sports "misery".   

                            While Cleveland could have had this claim for a while....it is no longer the case:

                            Cavs  4 straight finals and a title.  Indians in the World Series.

                            Compare to these:  

                            San Diego...no title since 1963.  Two teams left town.   Clippers/Chargers

                            Buffalo...no title since 1965.

                            Milwaukee...no title since 1971....unless you count the Packers

                            Portland...not title since 1977

                            Salt Lake City....no title since early 70s

                            While these are newer markets....places like Charlotte/Nashville/Memphis/Orlando/Jacksonville/Las Vegas/OK City/ and others have never had a team win a title.

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                              Crime rate:

                              Cleveland's is not good,  may just in or just outside the Top Ten....but no worse than all these towns ahead of it:

                              https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-united-states.html

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                                Weather:

                                Highly...highly subjective.  

                                I have ALWAYS said a winter in Cleveland is better than a summer anywhere in the south.

                                Here is one opinion....which includes bad cold weather cities, and bad hot weather cities:

                                https://www.bobvila.com/slideshow/these-30-places-have-the-worst-weather-in-america-51814#lubbock-weather

                                So...Cleveland better than Houston/LA/Orlando/Jacksonville/Tampa/Portland/Seattle/New Orleans/Mobile/Dallas/Las Vegas/Phoenix/Tuscon

                                So  Bob Vila agrees essentially with me.

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                                  @axe said:

                                  Can't argue with what he posted ..

                                  It's old but at the time very relevant. There were 5 Ohio cities on the list in his link from Forbes.

                                  The hell I can't argue with what he posted. Why  on earth would you ever think that bullshit is inarguable?

                                  Again...here are the criteria that the article he posted used:

                                  Our Misery Measure takes into account:

                                  unemployment,

                                  taxes (both sales and income),

                                  commute times,

                                  violent crime

                                  and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. We also factored in two indexes put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that gauge

                                  weather and

                                  Superfund pollution sites.  (Superfund sites are ground pollution issues. Why is not air and water pollution a factor as well?

                                  Lastly we considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each area as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.  (I am trying to figure out how this particular matter has anything to do with overall happiness)

                                  I guess I could go through these all again and demonstrate how Cleveland is NOT anywhere near at the top of these lists than many, many other cities. 

                                  If I were to get updated to 2018 data....similar to what I had put on here before, again, I can guarantee that a city like San Diego suffers even worse in all these categories than does Cleveland.  Hell...as I said, they had another sports team leave town....where Cleveland had teams in the sports championship finals 5 times in the last  5-6 years. 

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  The hell I can't argue with what he posted. Why  on earth would you ever think that bullshit is inarguable?

                                  Why? I'm not a blind homer, .. Plus it was damn near 10 yrs ago..  Who gives a shit?

                                  The man posted a link to a Forbes list as of 2010.. This was at the time when you started this misguided thread.. There ARE 5 Ohio cities on that Forbes list...  You stated " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine".. I don't know who this guy is/was or if he was the "peckerwood troll" you referred to because this was before my time here.. But the man DID break it off in your ass with proof.. That much is inarguable.. And THAT was my point...All the rest has been silly deflection...

                                  Why use a one time puppet name of baseballboomhaue? No idea.. Maybe the Forbes writer's last name holds a clue.. Perhaps he simply wanted to escape the pointless rage googling...

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                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    The hell I can't argue with what he posted. Why  on earth would you ever think that bullshit is inarguable?

                                    Why? I'm not a blind homer, .. Plus it was damn near 10 yrs ago..  Who gives a shit?

                                    The man posted a link to a Forbes list as of 2010.. This was at the time when you started this misguided thread.. There ARE 5 Ohio cities on that Forbes list...  You stated " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine".. I don't know who this guy is/was or if he was the "peckerwood troll" you referred to because this was before my time here.. But the man DID break it off in your ass with proof.. That much is inarguable.. And THAT was my point...All the rest has been silly deflection...

                                    Why use a one time puppet name of baseballboomhaue? No idea.. Maybe the Forbes writer's last name holds a clue.. Perhaps he simply wanted to escape the pointless rage googling...

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                                    @axe said:

                                    Why? I'm not a blind homer, .. Plus it was damn near 10 yrs ago..  Who gives a shit?

                                    You, apparently...since you keep bringing it up.

                                    The man posted a link to a Forbes list as of 2010.. This was at the time when you started this misguided thread.. There ARE 5 Ohio cities on that Forbes list...  You stated " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine".. I don't know who this guy is/was or if he was the "peckerwood troll" you referred to because this was before my time here.. But the man DID break it off in your ass with proof.. That much is inarguable.. And THAT was my point...All the rest has been silly deflection...

                                    Why use a one time puppet name of baseballboomhaue? No idea.. Maybe the Forbes writer's last name holds a clue.. Perhaps he simply wanted to escape the pointless rage googling...

                                    Does your obtuseness know no bounds.  Forbes...or whomever can claim whatever they want...and I am free to challenge what they claim...based on their own criteria.   I challenged it then and showed it was BS...based on their own criteria....and I challenged it again just now...8-9 years later...based on their own criteria, and again showed that it was BS. 

                                    You say, apparently that you can't argue with what someone says.....simply because they say it.  Why then, Can I make any unsubstantiated statement about anything and have you declare it incapable or being argued with?

                                    I could say that Axe is a shitty guitar player with 5 thumbs on each hand.   Would you not want to take issue, and argue with that? 😆

                                    (by the way, the same said Forbes magazine stated that my son's school, Kenyon, had the most beautiful college campus in the world.  I didn't disagree with that.....but maybe other would.   So, you see, it can all be subjective sometimes.  But when you set out specific criteria...and do NOT adhere to that...you are subject to challenge.

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                                      @axe said:

                                      Why? I'm not a blind homer, .. Plus it was damn near 10 yrs ago..  Who gives a shit?

                                      You, apparently...since you keep bringing it up.

                                      The man posted a link to a Forbes list as of 2010.. This was at the time when you started this misguided thread.. There ARE 5 Ohio cities on that Forbes list...  You stated " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine".. I don't know who this guy is/was or if he was the "peckerwood troll" you referred to because this was before my time here.. But the man DID break it off in your ass with proof.. That much is inarguable.. And THAT was my point...All the rest has been silly deflection...

                                      Why use a one time puppet name of baseballboomhaue? No idea.. Maybe the Forbes writer's last name holds a clue.. Perhaps he simply wanted to escape the pointless rage googling...

                                      Does your obtuseness know no bounds.  Forbes...or whomever can claim whatever they want...and I am free to challenge what they claim...based on their own criteria.   I challenged it then and showed it was BS...based on their own criteria....and I challenged it again just now...8-9 years later...based on their own criteria, and again showed that it was BS. 

                                      You say, apparently that you can't argue with what someone says.....simply because they say it.  Why then, Can I make any unsubstantiated statement about anything and have you declare it incapable or being argued with?

                                      I could say that Axe is a shitty guitar player with 5 thumbs on each hand.   Would you not want to take issue, and argue with that? 😆

                                      (by the way, the same said Forbes magazine stated that my son's school, Kenyon, had the most beautiful college campus in the world.  I didn't disagree with that.....but maybe other would.   So, you see, it can all be subjective sometimes.  But when you set out specific criteria...and do NOT adhere to that...you are subject to challenge.

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                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      I keep bringing it up? WTF are you talking about?

                                      You posted " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine ""..

                                      Then someone  posted a link to the Forbes magazine article in which 5  Ohio cities" WERE listed!! Talk about obtuse.. ?

                                      I could say that Axe is a shitty guitar player with 5 thumbs on each hand.   Would you not want to take issue, and argue with that? 😆

                                      I honestly wouldn't give a shit. You get used to people that don't like what you do along with those that do.. As long as those that do greatly outnumber those that don't then I'm happy..

                                      Here.. I'll prove I'm a shitty guitarist.. The latest release "Against My Will"

                                      https://open.spotify.com/artist/3874L8ZapuGMoYBZew8Pfb?si=4Cvv2w4dS1i286upFiOfkg&fbclid=IwAR0GN-pw_Fku6Njj_QJ_hRZeuRtGLuBeKCDAaVD0fbYO5ACjJ1RHVQIAYs8#_=_

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                                        @the-gipper said:

                                        I keep bringing it up? WTF are you talking about?

                                        You posted " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine ""..

                                        Then someone  posted a link to the Forbes magazine article in which 5  Ohio cities" WERE listed!! Talk about obtuse.. ?

                                        I could say that Axe is a shitty guitar player with 5 thumbs on each hand.   Would you not want to take issue, and argue with that? 😆

                                        I honestly wouldn't give a shit. You get used to people that don't like what you do along with those that do.. As long as those that do greatly outnumber those that don't then I'm happy..

                                        Here.. I'll prove I'm a shitty guitarist.. The latest release "Against My Will"

                                        https://open.spotify.com/artist/3874L8ZapuGMoYBZew8Pfb?si=4Cvv2w4dS1i286upFiOfkg&fbclid=IwAR0GN-pw_Fku6Njj_QJ_hRZeuRtGLuBeKCDAaVD0fbYO5ACjJ1RHVQIAYs8#_=_

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                                        @axe said:

                                        I keep bringing it up? WTF are you talking about?

                                        You posted " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine ""..

                                        Then someone  posted a link to the Forbes magazine article in which 5  Ohio cities" WERE listed!! Talk about obtuse.. ?

                                        I could say that Axe is a shitty guitar player with 5 thumbs on each hand.   Would you not want to take issue, and argue with that? 😆

                                        I honestly wouldn't give a shit. You get used to people that don't like what you do along with those that do.. As long as those that do greatly outnumber those that don't then I'm happy..

                                        Here.. I'll prove I'm a shitty guitarist.. The latest release "Against My Will"

                                        https://open.spotify.com/artist/3874L8ZapuGMoYBZew8Pfb?si=4Cvv2w4dS1i286upFiOfkg&fbclid=IwAR0GN-pw_Fku6Njj_QJ_hRZeuRtGLuBeKCDAaVD0fbYO5ACjJ1RHVQIAYs8#_=_

                                        You know that I was just yanking your chain with the guitar comment 

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                                          @axe said:

                                          I keep bringing it up? WTF are you talking about?

                                          You posted " Some peckerwood troll claimed that Ohio had the Five most miserable cities in the country per Forbes magazine ""..

                                          Then someone  posted a link to the Forbes magazine article in which 5  Ohio cities" WERE listed!! Talk about obtuse.. ?

                                          I could say that Axe is a shitty guitar player with 5 thumbs on each hand.   Would you not want to take issue, and argue with that? 😆

                                          I honestly wouldn't give a shit. You get used to people that don't like what you do along with those that do.. As long as those that do greatly outnumber those that don't then I'm happy..

                                          Here.. I'll prove I'm a shitty guitarist.. The latest release "Against My Will"

                                          https://open.spotify.com/artist/3874L8ZapuGMoYBZew8Pfb?si=4Cvv2w4dS1i286upFiOfkg&fbclid=IwAR0GN-pw_Fku6Njj_QJ_hRZeuRtGLuBeKCDAaVD0fbYO5ACjJ1RHVQIAYs8#_=_

                                          You know that I was just yanking your chain with the guitar comment 

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                                          @the-gipper said:

                                          You know that I was just yanking your chain with the guitar comment 

                                          Oh absolutely 😉

                                          And any publicity is good publicity 😎

                                          Let me rephrase that, I try not to miss an opportunity to promote our wares 😁

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