WEEK 4 - BROWNS a 5.5 point early underdog the O/U is 46.5 in Balt at 1 pm....now +7
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If AJ Green returns then Cincy beats that spread.
If AJ Green returns then Cincy beats that spread.
Though I'd like nothing better for the Bengals to win and put the Steelers season on the edge of the toilet seat with one additional loss pushing them in and flushing- I don't see the Steelers losing a prime time game at home. Hope I'm wrong. A tie would be pretty beneficial though.
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But all you have to do is make Lamar pass it a lot and it's an easy win.
Last year I agree with you. This year he's doing way better than Baker.
Well, currently, that's a pretty low bar.
It was pointed out Jackson threw two passes he was damn lucky weren't interceptions. The first he was in the process of getting sacked, and just chucked it up there 40 yards, and his prayer got answered. The other was a long one across his body that the receiver made a great play on. Only John Elway and a few others had enough arm to pull that stunt off successfully.....
And still has not yet taken that crushing blow that will cripple him for a while. Its coming.
The more he plays it seems that hope (from the rest of the league) is getting less likely. Looks like he's put on bulk, and is mighty elusive. Been able to avoid the big hit- so far.
Myles is going to eat Lamar's lunch. He might not make it out of this game.
He tries that loopy spin around in the pocket move where he runs away from any normal DT, he's going to be in a body bag. He will get loose once or twice but after seeing Wilks do what he did to the NFC Champs, I feel like we might has a DC on our hands.
Lamar had about 150 yards Sunday where he ran around in the backfield and threw it up for grabs. That one ball that came down at the goal line looked like a damn punt....
KC's defense is currently ranked 24th.....Cards are 29th..... Fins are last.....
Browns are 10th in total defense... But don't get your hopes up about Myles crushing Lamar. Myles is fast, Lamar is faster.
My worry is the Ravens defense is playing a Greg Williams style. Sending different blitzes on almost every play. That's a recipe to get Baker killed with the current state of our sieve o-line. BTW to date only Matt Ryan has thrown more interceptions than Mayfield. He had better get out of his funk, or we don't have a chance Sunday.
My worry is the Ravens defense is playing a Greg Williams style. Sending different blitzes on almost every play. That's a recipe to get Baker killed with the current state of our sieve o-line. BTW to date only Matt Ryan has thrown more interceptions than Mayfield. He had better get out of his funk, or we don't have a chance Sunday.
And that's just it. My biggest issue is teams are showing cover zero and Baker can't beat it. Teams know that Baker has turned into a "one read QB" and if you cover the one read, the play is over. Baker will automatically run to the right, try to find someone, throw it 20 yards out of bounds, and usually take a hard hit. At this rate, I see no possible way Baker lasts through the halfway point, there's just no way. People keep talking about Lamar getting hurt, but I never see him take super hard hits. I absolutely hate sounding like a negative douche bag, but I really don't see any way we keep this game close, let alone win. We simply don't score points, and Baker lost whatever chemistry he had. We can talk about injuries, OL play, or whatever else the excuse da jour is, but Baker missed two easy TD throws at the end of the game. That's never ok, and what's worse is that he didn't "miss" the throws because of accuracy, he "missed" them because he never even SAW where to throw it. That tells us he's guessing where to go with the ball before he snaps it and he's not surveying the field.
I never thought of Baker as a one read QB, but it's true. There's a ton of evidence to support this, and now that he's seeing ghosts and hearing footsteps, it's probably going to get worse before it gets better. And there's no guarantee that it WILL get better. Baker looks incredibly shell-shocked and scared out there, and the offense in general appears to be completely out of juice. They have no energy, no emotion, and no creativity. So what's next? Well, OBJ will be injured soon, that's just how it goes. He misses games every year, so you can bet it's coming. Hopefully Calloway helps, but I don't expect it to. Freddie has less time than a lot of people think, and don't be surprised if something happens at the bye. Maybe not a firing, but a changing of the play-calling. Not challenging the pass interference because you didn't understand you'd get the down over is reason enough for me to fire someone, but to run the draw on 4th and 9 immediately after that would have caused me to take action. It was infuriating, embarrassing, and something I've never seen before.
One quick edit. On the series where we didn't challenge the PI and we ran "the draw", Baker missed two open receivers and never threw the ball either time. One was this guy named Odell Beckham, and I think the other was Jarvis Landry. They're pretty good, but they can't throw the ball to themselves. I really hope Baker gives us something to watch this year...things don't generally get better when you travel to Baltimore.
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I put the cash down on Baltimore. We can't score, and Baltimore can. It's that simple.
I put the cash down on Baltimore. We can't score, and Baltimore can. It's that simple.
Putting money down against the Browns when they play Baltimore? ?
Regrettable, to say the least...
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But all you have to do is make Lamar pass it a lot and it's an easy win.
Last year I agree with you. This year he's doing way better than Baker.
Well, currently, that's a pretty low bar.
It was pointed out Jackson threw two passes he was damn lucky weren't interceptions. The first he was in the process of getting sacked, and just chucked it up there 40 yards, and his prayer got answered. The other was a long one across his body that the receiver made a great play on. Only John Elway and a few others had enough arm to pull that stunt off successfully.....
And still has not yet taken that crushing blow that will cripple him for a while. Its coming.
The more he plays it seems that hope (from the rest of the league) is getting less likely. Looks like he's put on bulk, and is mighty elusive. Been able to avoid the big hit- so far.
Myles is going to eat Lamar's lunch. He might not make it out of this game.
He tries that loopy spin around in the pocket move where he runs away from any normal DT, he's going to be in a body bag. He will get loose once or twice but after seeing Wilks do what he did to the NFC Champs, I feel like we might has a DC on our hands.
Lamar had about 150 yards Sunday where he ran around in the backfield and threw it up for grabs. That one ball that came down at the goal line looked like a damn punt....
KC's defense is currently ranked 24th.....Cards are 29th..... Fins are last.....
Browns are 10th in total defense... But don't get your hopes up about Myles crushing Lamar. Myles is fast, Lamar is faster.
My worry is the Ravens defense is playing a Greg Williams style. Sending different blitzes on almost every play. That's a recipe to get Baker killed with the current state of our sieve o-line. BTW to date only Matt Ryan has thrown more interceptions than Mayfield. He had better get out of his funk, or we don't have a chance Sunday.
Well, currently, that's a pretty low bar.
It was pointed out Jackson threw two passes he was damn lucky weren't interceptions. The first he was in the process of getting sacked, and just chucked it up there 40 yards, and his prayer got answered. The other was a long one across his body that the receiver made a great play on. Only John Elway and a few others had enough arm to pull that stunt off successfully.....
The more he plays it seems that hope (from the rest of the league) is getting less likely. Looks like he's put on bulk, and is mighty elusive. Been able to avoid the big hit- so far.
Browns are 10th in total defense... But don't get your hopes up about Myles crushing Lamar. Myles is fast, Lamar is faster.
My worry is the Ravens defense is playing a Greg Williams style. Sending different blitzes on almost every play. That's a recipe to get Baker killed with the current state of our sieve o-line. BTW to date only Matt Ryan has thrown more interceptions than Mayfield. He had better get out of his funk, or we don't have a chance Sunday.
Meh. Baker has 5 ints. League average is 3.
He threw a pick at the end of the Rams game on 4th down to end the game, had to just throw it up.
Another came on a ball that bounced off of OBJ’s hands.
Not to worried about the INT’s
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I am not all that capable of in depth football analysis. I do however feel like I read people very well. Every bit of mannerism exhibited by Baker right now shows zero confidence and complete defeat. You can see it in his eyes and mannerisms. Scary.
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I am not all that capable of in depth football analysis. I do however feel like I read people very well. Every bit of mannerism exhibited by Baker right now shows zero confidence and complete defeat. You can see it in his eyes and mannerisms. Scary.
I am not all that capable of in depth football analysis. I do however feel like I read people very well. Every bit of mannerism exhibited by Baker right now shows zero confidence and complete defeat. You can see it in his eyes and mannerisms. Scary.
Waiting for the next time he wakes up in the morning feeling dangerous.
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My worry is the Ravens defense is playing a Greg Williams style. Sending different blitzes on almost every play. That's a recipe to get Baker killed with the current state of our sieve o-line. BTW to date only Matt Ryan has thrown more interceptions than Mayfield. He had better get out of his funk, or we don't have a chance Sunday.
And that's just it. My biggest issue is teams are showing cover zero and Baker can't beat it. Teams know that Baker has turned into a "one read QB" and if you cover the one read, the play is over. Baker will automatically run to the right, try to find someone, throw it 20 yards out of bounds, and usually take a hard hit. At this rate, I see no possible way Baker lasts through the halfway point, there's just no way. People keep talking about Lamar getting hurt, but I never see him take super hard hits. I absolutely hate sounding like a negative douche bag, but I really don't see any way we keep this game close, let alone win. We simply don't score points, and Baker lost whatever chemistry he had. We can talk about injuries, OL play, or whatever else the excuse da jour is, but Baker missed two easy TD throws at the end of the game. That's never ok, and what's worse is that he didn't "miss" the throws because of accuracy, he "missed" them because he never even SAW where to throw it. That tells us he's guessing where to go with the ball before he snaps it and he's not surveying the field.
I never thought of Baker as a one read QB, but it's true. There's a ton of evidence to support this, and now that he's seeing ghosts and hearing footsteps, it's probably going to get worse before it gets better. And there's no guarantee that it WILL get better. Baker looks incredibly shell-shocked and scared out there, and the offense in general appears to be completely out of juice. They have no energy, no emotion, and no creativity. So what's next? Well, OBJ will be injured soon, that's just how it goes. He misses games every year, so you can bet it's coming. Hopefully Calloway helps, but I don't expect it to. Freddie has less time than a lot of people think, and don't be surprised if something happens at the bye. Maybe not a firing, but a changing of the play-calling. Not challenging the pass interference because you didn't understand you'd get the down over is reason enough for me to fire someone, but to run the draw on 4th and 9 immediately after that would have caused me to take action. It was infuriating, embarrassing, and something I've never seen before.
One quick edit. On the series where we didn't challenge the PI and we ran "the draw", Baker missed two open receivers and never threw the ball either time. One was this guy named Odell Beckham, and I think the other was Jarvis Landry. They're pretty good, but they can't throw the ball to themselves. I really hope Baker gives us something to watch this year...things don't generally get better when you travel to Baltimore.
And that's just it. My biggest issue is teams are showing cover zero and Baker can't beat it. Teams know that Baker has turned into a "one read QB" and if you cover the one read, the play is over. Baker will automatically run to the right, try to find someone, throw it 20 yards out of bounds, and usually take a hard hit. At this rate, I see no possible way Baker lasts through the halfway point, there's just no way. People keep talking about Lamar getting hurt, but I never see him take super hard hits. I absolutely hate sounding like a negative douche bag, but I really don't see any way we keep this game close, let alone win. We simply don't score points, and Baker lost whatever chemistry he had. We can talk about injuries, OL play, or whatever else the excuse da jour is, but Baker missed two easy TD throws at the end of the game. That's never ok, and what's worse is that he didn't "miss" the throws because of accuracy, he "missed" them because he never even SAW where to throw it. That tells us he's guessing where to go with the ball before he snaps it and he's not surveying the field.
I never thought of Baker as a one read QB, but it's true. There's a ton of evidence to support this, and now that he's seeing ghosts and hearing footsteps, it's probably going to get worse before it gets better. And there's no guarantee that it WILL get better. Baker looks incredibly shell-shocked and scared out there, and the offense in general appears to be completely out of juice. They have no energy, no emotion, and no creativity. So what's next? Well, OBJ will be injured soon, that's just how it goes. He misses games every year, so you can bet it's coming. Hopefully Calloway helps, but I don't expect it to. Freddie has less time than a lot of people think, and don't be surprised if something happens at the bye. Maybe not a firing, but a changing of the play-calling. Not challenging the pass interference because you didn't understand you'd get the down over is reason enough for me to fire someone, but to run the draw on 4th and 9 immediately after that would have caused me to take action. It was infuriating, embarrassing, and something I've never seen before.
One quick edit. On the series where we didn't challenge the PI and we ran "the draw", Baker missed two open receivers and never threw the ball either time. One was this guy named Odell Beckham, and I think the other was Jarvis Landry. They're pretty good, but they can't throw the ball to themselves. I really hope Baker gives us something to watch this year...things don't generally get better when you travel to Baltimore.
You’re wrong
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I put the cash down on Baltimore. We can't score, and Baltimore can. It's that simple.
Putting money down against the Browns when they play Baltimore? ?
Regrettable, to say the least...
Putting money down against the Browns when they play Baltimore? ?
Regrettable, to say the least...
It's also historically been another "-able"...
Profitable...
Especially in BLT...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And that's just it. My biggest issue is teams are showing cover zero and Baker can't beat it. Teams know that Baker has turned into a "one read QB" and if you cover the one read, the play is over. Baker will automatically run to the right, try to find someone, throw it 20 yards out of bounds, and usually take a hard hit. At this rate, I see no possible way Baker lasts through the halfway point, there's just no way. People keep talking about Lamar getting hurt, but I never see him take super hard hits. I absolutely hate sounding like a negative douche bag, but I really don't see any way we keep this game close, let alone win. We simply don't score points, and Baker lost whatever chemistry he had. We can talk about injuries, OL play, or whatever else the excuse da jour is, but Baker missed two easy TD throws at the end of the game. That's never ok, and what's worse is that he didn't "miss" the throws because of accuracy, he "missed" them because he never even SAW where to throw it. That tells us he's guessing where to go with the ball before he snaps it and he's not surveying the field.
I never thought of Baker as a one read QB, but it's true. There's a ton of evidence to support this, and now that he's seeing ghosts and hearing footsteps, it's probably going to get worse before it gets better. And there's no guarantee that it WILL get better. Baker looks incredibly shell-shocked and scared out there, and the offense in general appears to be completely out of juice. They have no energy, no emotion, and no creativity. So what's next? Well, OBJ will be injured soon, that's just how it goes. He misses games every year, so you can bet it's coming. Hopefully Calloway helps, but I don't expect it to. Freddie has less time than a lot of people think, and don't be surprised if something happens at the bye. Maybe not a firing, but a changing of the play-calling. Not challenging the pass interference because you didn't understand you'd get the down over is reason enough for me to fire someone, but to run the draw on 4th and 9 immediately after that would have caused me to take action. It was infuriating, embarrassing, and something I've never seen before.
One quick edit. On the series where we didn't challenge the PI and we ran "the draw", Baker missed two open receivers and never threw the ball either time. One was this guy named Odell Beckham, and I think the other was Jarvis Landry. They're pretty good, but they can't throw the ball to themselves. I really hope Baker gives us something to watch this year...things don't generally get better when you travel to Baltimore.
You’re wrong
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You’re wrong
He's kind of right.
He's kind of right.
Maybe, hopefully not. I want him to be proven wrong.
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He's kind of right.
Maybe, hopefully not. I want him to be proven wrong.
Maybe, hopefully not. I want him to be proven wrong.
So do I, and I bet so does he.
Because if he's right long term, oof.
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I predict that we lose this game.
But that still keeps us on track for my 9-7 prediction.
The tricky part is they can't afford to get into a prolonged losing streak due to not having a good scoring machine and have any serious thoughts about the playoffs.
The OL might be their Achilles heel and undermine the lofty expectations for this high power offense.
Must win game against front runner Baltimore?
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Putting money down against the Browns when they play Baltimore? ?
Regrettable, to say the least...
It's also historically been another "-able"...
Profitable...
Especially in BLT...
It's also historically been another "-able"...
Profitable...
Especially in BLT...
I get it. But I have confidence that this team will bounce back.
This defense is stellar and once the offense wakes up...a lot of people will act like they never doubted.
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a lot of people will act like they never doubted.
For me it's not a matter of doubting... it's a matter of timing.
I think we'll be a very tough team in the second half of the year as we gel and the schedule is more favorable.
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This is another way of looking at the game from what the books and the betting public are doing. Since the line moved to +7 betting seems to be going toward Cleveland and the over. The spread is the flat line, money is the odds like -110, +240, etc. whatever there are other rather large tables that show the tick-by-tick line movements and other information mainly for booking houses and serious bettors.
From our friends at http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/matchups/
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The money lines on this game and others from. http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/money/
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a lot of people will act like they never doubted.
For me it's not a matter of doubting... it's a matter of timing.
I think we'll be a very tough team in the second half of the year as we gel and the schedule is more favorable.
For me it's not a matter of doubting... it's a matter of timing.
I think we'll be a very tough team in the second half of the year as we gel and the schedule is more favorable.
I guess I’m really just hoping. And I sure as hell hope it doesn’t take til the second half of the year. 1-3 is a pretty big hole
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I hope the browns players are reading when the Ravens are saying.
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