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  • Browns 10 1/2 point favorites @ Miami is a huge line for an away team with two DL defenders missing.

  • Browns 10 1/2 point favorites @ Miami is a huge line for an away team with two DL defenders missing.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Browns 10 1/2 point favorites @ Miami is a huge line for an away team with two DL defenders missing.

    Yes and they opened up at 9 point favorites, after the game the line actually went up.

  • Browns 10 1/2 point favorites @ Miami is a huge line for an away team with two DL defenders missing.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Browns 10 1/2 point favorites @ Miami is a huge line for an away team with two DL defenders missing.

    Except, the Browns play at home. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Browns 10 1/2 point favorites @ Miami is a huge line for an away team with two DL defenders missing.

    Except, the Browns play at home. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Except, the Browns play at home. 

    My bad. That makes about a 3 point difference. Still pretty stout with those players and the starting S and maybe even Vernon missing.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Except, the Browns play at home. 

    My bad. That makes about a 3 point difference. Still pretty stout with those players and the starting S and maybe even Vernon missing.

    @texasag1969 said:

    My bad. That makes about a 3 point difference. Still pretty stout with those players and the starting S and maybe even Vernon missing.

    I can't imagine a double digit victory, but lord knows I'd love to see it! I just don't see us getting pressure without Garrett, and I don't think it looks good for Vernon. Hope I'm wrong! 

    I will say that it's past time for an offensive explosion. That would be JUST what the doctor ordered. 

    Edit:  Kitchens just said Vernon would be "very close" to returning Sunday. CMON BUDDY! 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    My bad. That makes about a 3 point difference. Still pretty stout with those players and the starting S and maybe even Vernon missing.

    I can't imagine a double digit victory, but lord knows I'd love to see it! I just don't see us getting pressure without Garrett, and I don't think it looks good for Vernon. Hope I'm wrong! 

    I will say that it's past time for an offensive explosion. That would be JUST what the doctor ordered. 

    Edit:  Kitchens just said Vernon would be "very close" to returning Sunday. CMON BUDDY! 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    I can't imagine a double digit victory, but lord knows I'd love to see it! I just don't see us getting pressure without Garrett, and I don't think it looks good for Vernon. Hope I'm wrong! 

    Hey they did whack the birds and the steelrz......just sayin'.  😉

  •  - I watch everything this guy puts out because the QB details are more than any other channel I've yet found. I have never in my life learned more about the nuances of QB play: what drops from center should look like, eye/head placement with telestrator corrections and explanations of ideal - etc - than during this vid.

    Short summary: There's a few reasons Kaep's last two full seasons in the league were PFF under 60..

  • Don't we get our TE back?

  • TUESDAY EARLY AM report, subject to changes.

    Cleveland Browns
    NAME STATUS DATE
    David Njoku, TE Injury Reserve Nov 18
    Comment: Coach Freddie Kitchens said he expects Njoku (wrist) to resume practicing with the team Wednesday, Scott Petrak of the Elyria Chronicle-Telegram reports.
    Olivier Vernon, DE Out Nov 18
    Comment: Vernon (knee) is not present at Monday's practice, Mary Kay Cabot of The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.
    Eric Murray, S Out Nov 18
    Comment: out
    Kendall Lamm, OT Out Nov 18
    Comment: out
    Morgan Burnett, S Out Nov 16
    Comment: Burnett will miss the rest of the season with a torn Achilles, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
    Myles Garrett, DE Suspension Nov 15
    Comment: Garrett has been suspended indefinitely -- "at a minimum for the remainder of the regular season and postseason," per NFL Senior VP of Football & International Communications Michael Signora.
    Larry Ogunjobi, DT Suspension Nov 15

    Comment: Ogunjobi notched one solo tackle -- his fifth sack of the season -- during Thursday's 21-7 win over the Steelers.

    Miami Dolphins
    NAME STATUS DATE
    Ken Webster, CB Out Nov 18
    Comment: out
    Raekwon McMillan, LB Out Nov 18
    Comment: out
    Taco Charlton, DE Out Nov 18
    Comment: out
    Bobby McCain, S Questionable Nov 17
    Comment: McCain (shoulder) is questionable to return to Sunday's game against the Bills, Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports.
    Gary Jennings, WR Questionable Nov 17
    Comment: Jennings (shoulder) is out for the remainder of Sunday's game against the Bills, Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports.
  • WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON REPORT hey ESPN changed their screen presentation a bit, easier to read there.

    Cleveland Browns
     
    NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
    Joel Bitonio G Nov 20 Questionable  
    Jarvis Landry WR Nov 20 Questionable Landry was limited in Wednesday's practice due to a hip injury, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
    Odell Beckham Jr. WR Nov 20 Questionable Beckham was limited in Wednesday's practice due to a groin injury, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
    Olivier Vernon DE Nov 20 Questionable Vernon (knee) is not participating in Wednesday's practice, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
    Eric Murray S Nov 19 Doubtful  
    Kendall Lamm OT Nov 19

    Questionable

    Miami Dolphins
     
    NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
    Julie'n Davenport OT Nov 20 Questionable  
    Ryan Fitzpatrick QB Nov 20 Questionable Fitzpatrick was limited in Wednesday's practice due to right shoulder and forearm injuries, Adam H. Beasley of the Miami Herald reports.
    Reshad Jones S Nov 20 Injured Reserve Jones (undisclosed) was placed on injured reserve Wednesday, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports.
    Bobby McCain S Nov 20 Injured Reserve McCain (shoulder) was placed on injured reserve Wednesday.
    Gary Jennings WR Nov 20 Injured Reserve The Dolphins are placing Jennings (shoulder) on injured reserve, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports.
    Ken Webster CB Nov 19 Questionable  
    Raekwon McMillan LB Nov 19 Questionable  
    Taco Charlton DE Nov 19 Questionable
  • THURSDAY MORNING EARLY injury report nothing new on the BROWNS or Dolphins but always lurking on the horizon in the swamp......

    Pittsburgh Steelers
     
    NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
    Nick Vannett TE Nov 20 Questionable Vannett (illness) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
    James Conner RB Nov 20 Questionable Conner (shoulder) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
    Diontae Johnson WR Nov 20 Questionable Johnson (concussion) was listed as a full practice participant Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
    Bud Dupree LB Nov 20 Questionable  
    JuJu Smith-Schuster WR Nov 20 Questionable Smith-Schuster (knee/concussion) isn't expected to play Sunday against the Bengals, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com reports.
    Anthony Chickillo LB Nov 19 Questionable
  • And on November 21, 2019 the big picture, oh Cleveland and Pittsburgh are both 100/1.

    ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 SUPER BOWL LIV (2/2/20)
    Team Odds
    New England Patriots 14/5
    New Orleans Saints 4/1
    Baltimore Ravens 9/2
    San Francisco 49ers 8/1
    Kansas City Chiefs 9/1
    Green Bay Packers 12/1
    Minnesota Vikings 14/1
    Seattle Seahawks 16/1
    Dallas Cowboys 20/1
  • THURSDAY MORNING EARLY injury report nothing new on the BROWNS or Dolphins but always lurking on the horizon in the swamp......

    Pittsburgh Steelers
     
    NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
    Nick Vannett TE Nov 20 Questionable Vannett (illness) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
    James Conner RB Nov 20 Questionable Conner (shoulder) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
    Diontae Johnson WR Nov 20 Questionable Johnson (concussion) was listed as a full practice participant Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
    Bud Dupree LB Nov 20 Questionable  
    JuJu Smith-Schuster WR Nov 20 Questionable Smith-Schuster (knee/concussion) isn't expected to play Sunday against the Bengals, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com reports.
    Anthony Chickillo LB Nov 19 Questionable

    @mjp28 said:

    THURSDAY MORNING EARLY injury report nothing new on the BROWNS or Dolphins but always lurking on the horizon in the swamp......

    Pittsburgh Steelers
     
    NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
    Nick Vannett TE Nov 20 Questionable Vannett (illness) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
    James Conner RB Nov 20 Questionable Conner (shoulder) didn't practice Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
    Diontae Johnson WR Nov 20 Questionable Johnson (concussion) was listed as a full practice participant Wednesday, Teresa Varley of the Steelers' official site reports.
    Bud Dupree LB Nov 20 Questionable  
    JuJu Smith-Schuster WR Nov 20 Questionable Smith-Schuster (knee/concussion) isn't expected to play Sunday against the Bengals, Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com reports.
    Anthony Chickillo LB Nov 19 Questionable

    Even without these guys, I would still expect the Steelers to win on the strength of their defense alone.  But, one can always hope. 

  • And on November 21, 2019 the big picture, oh Cleveland and Pittsburgh are both 100/1.

    ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 SUPER BOWL LIV (2/2/20)
    Team Odds
    New England Patriots 14/5
    New Orleans Saints 4/1
    Baltimore Ravens 9/2
    San Francisco 49ers 8/1
    Kansas City Chiefs 9/1
    Green Bay Packers 12/1
    Minnesota Vikings 14/1
    Seattle Seahawks 16/1
    Dallas Cowboys 20/1

    @mjp28 said:

    And on November 21, 2019 the big picture, oh Cleveland and Pittsburgh are both 100/1.

    ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 SUPER BOWL LIV (2/2/20)
    Team Odds
    New England Patriots 14/5
    New Orleans Saints 4/1
    Baltimore Ravens 9/2
    San Francisco 49ers 8/1
    Kansas City Chiefs 9/1
    Green Bay Packers 12/1
    Minnesota Vikings 14/1
    Seattle Seahawks 16/1
    Dallas Cowboys 20/1

    I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

    So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

  • @mjp28 said:

    And on November 21, 2019 the big picture, oh Cleveland and Pittsburgh are both 100/1.

    ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 SUPER BOWL LIV (2/2/20)
    Team Odds
    New England Patriots 14/5
    New Orleans Saints 4/1
    Baltimore Ravens 9/2
    San Francisco 49ers 8/1
    Kansas City Chiefs 9/1
    Green Bay Packers 12/1
    Minnesota Vikings 14/1
    Seattle Seahawks 16/1
    Dallas Cowboys 20/1

    I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

    So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

    @the-gipper said:

    I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

    So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

    $10 or more is the usual minimum last time I knew. Go up N. to W. Flamingo and take a right going E. You will find the Rio and The Palms across from it. Both have sports books.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

    So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

    $10 or more is the usual minimum last time I knew. Go up N. to W. Flamingo and take a right going E. You will find the Rio and The Palms across from it. Both have sports books.

    @texasag1969 said:

    $10 or more is the usual minimum last time I knew. Go up N. to W. Flamingo and take a right going E. You will find the Rio and The Palms across from it. Both have sports books.

    OK, Ten bucks.  (I didn't have to do that much in either Tahoe or Wendover when I was in those places)

    But I did check out a map.....both the Excalibur and the NYNY are just down the road, about equidistant.....but, parking issues with those? As for that it would probably just be a run in, make the bet, run out situation.  

  • @mjp28 said:

    And on November 21, 2019 the big picture, oh Cleveland and Pittsburgh are both 100/1.

    ODDS TO WIN 2019-20 SUPER BOWL LIV (2/2/20)
    Team Odds
    New England Patriots 14/5
    New Orleans Saints 4/1
    Baltimore Ravens 9/2
    San Francisco 49ers 8/1
    Kansas City Chiefs 9/1
    Green Bay Packers 12/1
    Minnesota Vikings 14/1
    Seattle Seahawks 16/1
    Dallas Cowboys 20/1

    I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

    So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

    @the-gipper said:

    I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

    So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

    $5.00 the parking attendant.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I will be checking into a resort in Las Vegas the day of the Super Bowl.  I will be driving in from Sedona that day, but expect to be in my condo unit before that game starts.  Don't know that I will be able to plop down a wager on the game, as I am not sure where a sports book may be there near where I will be staying.

    So, OK, Kenny Rogers....I will be staying at a place on West Tropicana Ave. (about 3 miles west of I-15)   Where is the nearest sports book I can go to to put like $5.00 down on the game? 

    $10 or more is the usual minimum last time I knew. Go up N. to W. Flamingo and take a right going E. You will find the Rio and The Palms across from it. Both have sports books.

    @texasag1969 said:

    $10 or more is the usual minimum last time I knew. Go up N. to W. Flamingo and take a right going E. You will find the Rio and The Palms across from it. Both have sports books.

    Yes and tell Diamond Jim there it is 2019 not 1880.  😆

  • Cleveland Browns. FRIDAY EARLY AM REPORT, WR, DE no mention of the TE?  (t
     
    NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
    Jarvis Landry WR Nov 21 Questionable Landry (hip) was a limited participant in Thursday's practice, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
    Odell Beckham Jr. WR Nov 21 Questionable Beckham (groin) was a limited participant in Thursday's practice, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
    Joe Schobert LB Nov 21 Questionable  
    Joel Bitonio G Nov 20 Questionable  
    Olivier Vernon DE Nov 20 Questionable Vernon (knee) is not participating in Wednesday's practice, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
    Eric Murray S Nov 19

    Doubtful

  • Miami Dolphins
     
    NAME POS DATE STATUS COMMENT
    Ryan Fitzpatrick QB Nov 21 Questionable Fitzpatrick (shoulder/forearm) was a limited participant in Thursday's practice, Safid Deen of the South Florida Sun Sentinel reports.
    Ken Webster CB Nov 20 Questionable Webster (ankle) practiced on a limited basis Wednesday, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports.
    Taco Charlton DE Nov 19 Questionable