The Truth about Myles/Rudolph
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Interesting case study on the far right posters from the poli board and their reaction to the racial claims in this story....
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perhaps Troy Vincent should let himself be lightly whacked on the head by a guy who is being held, then let himself be stomped on by a 320 lb offensive lineman.
The force of the latter is by far worse. And, btw, again, KITCHENS referred to what was said to Miles on the field, right after the game, and said he wouldn't repeat it.
On what freaking basis was pouncey's suspension lifted anyways?
How can anyone watch the real video of that bs, and not suspend rudoolphus for at least one game, too?
meanwhile:
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"With the appeal, his final missed game will be the rematch between the Steelers and Browns, and he will suit up against the Cardinals.
The Cardinals play the Steelers and Browns on consecutive Sundays. They were going to avoid both Pouncey and Garrett. Instead, they will face a full Steelers squad and then the Browns without their top pass rusher."
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I brought this up to several people to include on the board. I just don't get why Garrett would have gone insane like he did without this sort of fact occurring. Honestly, on top of Mason's almost lawyer-esque pre-written speech AND his noted douchy behavior? It's not something to discredit.
Anyone see the color of the guy that snapped the ball to Rudolph? Seems REALLY strange that very same guy would fight for the guy that just used such a hateful word against his race. It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out.
I could be wrong here but there was a cleat to the groin as well as an attempt to pry Garrett's helmet off by Rudolph that would have been sufficient enough to send Garrett over the edge. I would have asked the committee why they are blowing off the first part that the networks have also very carefully edited out of the videos. And then I'd ask, if if someone kills someone in self defense - should the trail only focus on the murder and put that person in jailed because he killed someone and F--- everything else. He killed someone and that's that? No, it should focus on the WHY and purpose of action. Garrett and agent, should have attempted to get focus back to the entire video that includes the beginning with a cleat to the groin and Rudolph's attempt to take Garrett's helmet off first. It would at least show Rudolph was wrong enough for consequences too - to the extent there would at least be more of an understanding to why Garrett lost it. Then, he could admit using a helmet as a weapon should never be tolerated. Right James Harrison? James? Shazier tried to do that too but he didn't have the same neck circumference of an oak tree Harrison has. Harrison gave Mo Mas a No Mas and he also knocked out Cribbs and McCoy. Both Shazier and Harrison are heroes in Pittsburgh while Pouncey just joined them for exercising the sorority girl rage of slapping and kicking someone that was being restrained.
I've been all over the place about this whole thing until the meeting with the NFL. Where this train flies right off the tracks with me is - it just seems really fishy that a guy who got that far out of control conveniently found the discipline all the way up until he met with the top of the NFL to whip out the race card. However, in doing so, Garrett's agent successfully recruits more players around the league to think he had his reasons a la Colin Kaepernick when he recruited enough knuckleheads to dis-respect the American Flag, National Anthem and all our troops past and present for his agenda disguised as race (he was adopted by a white family btw). The brand new strategy for Garrett's helmet swing also recognized that the person they were meeting with representing the NFL is an African American (James Thrash). Not for nothing but if Garrett would have mentioned this racial thing when he had the 1st mic in his face right after the game - it would have given the NFL sufficient time to research it prior to their meeting with Garrett. That didn't help the poker face...
In a year where the biggest theme about the Cleveland Browns is an epic "LACK OF DISCIPLINE" - our former #1 overall pick that is supposed to be a team leader chose "I before team" in 1 of the biggest lack of discipline episodes I have seen as a fan here. I would have been fine with an old school punch or shove reaction; but he chose a weapon against a complete sissy. BTW, he was dirty against the harmless backup QBs that Jets put on the field too. If anything, we WANT harmless backup QBs like Rudolph and the sweats for the Jets staying on the field. When I see that kind of stuff from him - it makes me wonder if he's doing it for the team or himself. If it's for the team, I'd see someone better prepared with restraint than we saw vrs the Jets or Pitt. And when he's mentioning his top goal is to be a league MVP on a team that hasn't won more than 7 games since 2007 - that's a me instead of we. So, where does he leave us today? tomorrow? the rest of the season? Longer? Watching another top investment we were really counting on not be able to take the field and help his team on Sundays. Never had to be this way. Inventing a racial slur in lieu of accountability for one's actions and integrity is something I'd rather see in Baltimore than here.
Anyone see the color of the guy that snapped the ball to Rudolph? Seems REALLY strange that very same guy would fight for the guy that just used such a hateful word against his race. It also seems strange that a guy that has African American WRs, RBs and OL beside Pouncey would throw the N word out.
I could be wrong here but there was a cleat to the groin as well as an attempt to pry Garrett's helmet off by Rudolph that would have been sufficient enough to send Garrett over the edge. I would have asked the committee why they are blowing off the first part that the networks have also very carefully edited out of the videos. And then I'd ask, if if someone kills someone in self defense - should the trail only focus on the murder and put that person in jailed because he killed someone and F--- everything else. He killed someone and that's that? No, it should focus on the WHY and purpose of action. Garrett and agent, should have attempted to get focus back to the entire video that includes the beginning with a cleat to the groin and Rudolph's attempt to take Garrett's helmet off first. It would at least show Rudolph was wrong enough for consequences too - to the extent there would at least be more of an understanding to why Garrett lost it. Then, he could admit using a helmet as a weapon should never be tolerated. Right James Harrison? James? Shazier tried to do that too but he didn't have the same neck circumference of an oak tree Harrison has. Harrison gave Mo Mas a No Mas and he also knocked out Cribbs and McCoy. Both Shazier and Harrison are heroes in Pittsburgh while Pouncey just joined them for exercising the sorority girl rage of slapping and kicking someone that was being restrained.
I've been all over the place about this whole thing until the meeting with the NFL. Where this train flies right off the tracks with me is - it just seems really fishy that a guy who got that far out of control conveniently found the discipline all the way up until he met with the top of the NFL to whip out the race card. However, in doing so, Garrett's agent successfully recruits more players around the league to think he had his reasons a la Colin Kaepernick when he recruited enough knuckleheads to dis-respect the American Flag, National Anthem and all our troops past and present for his agenda disguised as race (he was adopted by a white family btw). The brand new strategy for Garrett's helmet swing also recognized that the person they were meeting with representing the NFL is an African American (James Thrash). Not for nothing but if Garrett would have mentioned this racial thing when he had the 1st mic in his face right after the game - it would have given the NFL sufficient time to research it prior to their meeting with Garrett. That didn't help the poker face...
In a year where the biggest theme about the Cleveland Browns is an epic "LACK OF DISCIPLINE" - our former #1 overall pick that is supposed to be a team leader chose "I before team" in 1 of the biggest lack of discipline episodes I have seen as a fan here. I would have been fine with an old school punch or shove reaction; but he chose a weapon against a complete sissy. BTW, he was dirty against the harmless backup QBs that Jets put on the field too. If anything, we WANT harmless backup QBs like Rudolph and the sweats for the Jets staying on the field. When I see that kind of stuff from him - it makes me wonder if he's doing it for the team or himself. If it's for the team, I'd see someone better prepared with restraint than we saw vrs the Jets or Pitt. And when he's mentioning his top goal is to be a league MVP on a team that hasn't won more than 7 games since 2007 - that's a me instead of we. So, where does he leave us today? tomorrow? the rest of the season? Longer? Watching another top investment we were really counting on not be able to take the field and help his team on Sundays. Never had to be this way. Inventing a racial slur in lieu of accountability for one's actions and integrity is something I'd rather see in Baltimore than here.
Well said and spot on. I'd love to read the posts on here had Dupree ripped off Baker's helmet and "love tapped" him on the head with it. I have a feeling anything less than kicking him out of the league entirely would be conspiracy, but we will never know, because as it turns out, 99.999999999999% of the players in this league have more self control than that.
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Holy fuck I can't wait until they play again so we can just talk football.
No one is forcing anyone to engage in any particular thread of conversation.
I started 3 different threads that were on our next game....on the choice of the best 100 players in league history and that asked your opinion on various matters...none of which had to do with this event.........go to any one of them to contribute.
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Mason Rudolph fined 50K. Largest fine. Pretty suspicious after all the appeals this finally hit... #freemylesgarret #releasethetapes
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-fines-mason-rudolph-dollar50000/ar-BBXegU0?ocid=spartandhp
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Mason Rudolph fined 50K. Largest fine. Pretty suspicious after all the appeals this finally hit... #freemylesgarret #releasethetapes
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-fines-mason-rudolph-dollar50000/ar-BBXegU0?ocid=spartandhp
Mason Rudolph fined 50K. Largest fine. Pretty suspicious after all the appeals this finally hit... #freemylesgarret #releasethetapes
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-fines-mason-rudolph-dollar50000/ar-BBXegU0?ocid=spartandhp
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Christ, they fined 33 players.. https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001079518/article/33-players-fined-qb-mason-rudolph-gets-50k 21 Jailers to 12 Browns include off the bench..And were the problem.. Myles gets 46K & season ?
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This whole thing is basically a big joke like the average working guy getting fined $500 +/-.
Rudolph may appeal the fine, and he’d have a good case for getting the amount reduced. Players who do not have any prior offenses usually get fines reduced as excessive if the amount of the fine exceeds 25 percent of the player’s weekly salary. Rudolph’s weekly salary is $38,722, so this fine is more than 100 percent of his weekly salary.
Saturday morning, it was revealed that quarterback Mason Rudolph had been fined for his role in the brawl between the Pittsburgh Steelers and Cleveland Browns. Hours later, the league revealed that they had finished handing out punishments for this incident. In total, the NFL fined 33 players for their actions on Nov. 14, totaling $732,422.
Shortly after the game between these AFC North rivals, it was revealed that each franchise had been docked $250,000, accounting for $500K of the total number. However, sources had told NFL insider Ian Rapoport that 10 other figures would be fined for their actions. This ultimately turned into a very modest estimate considering that the league listed triple that amount on the official breakdown of fines.
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So 21 Steeler Players and 12 Browns players(all but Jarvis Landry were on the field at the time)….
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
So 21 Steeler Players and 12 Browns players(all but Jarvis Landry were on the field at the time)….
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Roger Goodell needs to be fired, the way the NFL handled this is a disgrace. They suspended Myles almost instantly after this incident happened, didn't even wait for any details to emerge, no due process. The first thing we should have saw was Roger Goodell in a press conference immediately following the game stating what an UNFORTUNATE incident this was and they will do their due diligence investigating this and all parties will be disciplined accordingly. Instead Myles go directly to the guillotine and Rudolph is almost completely absolved of any wrong doing all the while social media is calling him to be banned for life or to be sitting in jail.
If it wasn't for Roger Rabbit be so quick on the trigger to suspend Myles, his suspension might not be so lengthy. Roger made a knee jerk reaction and suspended Myles just to appease social media and Stoolers fans.
That incident passed the eye test. No need for "due process" or details, any more than due process was needed watching Ray Rice or Kareem Hunt slug a woman. Whatever the women did or said to provoke these "men" was irrelevant, it passed the eye test.... and don't forget that Rudolph is also a woman, who btw was not absolved but was fined. His punishment fit the crime as did Myles.
Extra curricular activities after tackles or while in a scrum is as old as the game itself...but what Myles did was so far outside the game it would equate to him pulling out some sort of a weapon from under his jersey and using it...what Myles did was way over the top...above and beyond what Vontaze Burthdefect ever did. So over the top he knew he had to lie and play the race card in order to draw sympathy and to make it easier for people like you homers to render his actions excusable. Pathetic.
How shallow minded to think that Goodells only intent was to appease the Stoolers and social media. His duty is to preserve the game and restore its image. Football is dying a slow death in schools. Parents are becoming more and more reluctant to let their kids play football, granted mostly due to concussions, but to see shit like this only adds to the already negative attitudes toward the game.
"Appease the Stoolers" lol, get the fuck out of here with that tired song and dance.
That incident passed the eye test.
1. Don't use idioms that you do not understand.
2. Don't cite articles approaching their 2nd birthday. After 2 years of decline viewership this year is up ~5%.
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I don't post much anymore but since this has happened I'm very intrigued by this whole saga. I have been working in another state and have been away from my family for a long time so this has been something to keep me entertained.
I have been intrigued the most about how extreme some of the responses have been. Then I've been seeing people say if so and so did this how would people have reacted? But my question is how would people have reacted if this was 15 or 20 years ago? For one thing I don't think people would be calling for Myles to be put in jail. People are so sensitive anymore anything hurts their feelings.
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The outcry from Steeler's fans has been the undoing. They are some of the whiniest fans in football when they get a taste of their own medicine. They were gonna cry about any excuse they could find at being beaten up and down the field. We would have heard nothing but whines and whimpers of illegal hits all week nonstop if not for Myles bitch smacking Rudolph with his own helmet. They all are quick to put fat boy neck tattoo up on their shoulders for kicking a man on the ground but cry foul for their racist QB.
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I don't post much anymore but since this has happened I'm very intrigued by this whole saga. I have been working in another state and have been away from my family for a long time so this has been something to keep me entertained.
I have been intrigued the most about how extreme some of the responses have been. Then I've been seeing people say if so and so did this how would people have reacted? But my question is how would people have reacted if this was 15 or 20 years ago? For one thing I don't think people would be calling for Myles to be put in jail. People are so sensitive anymore anything hurts their feelings.
I don't post much anymore but since this has happened I'm very intrigued by this whole saga. I have been working in another state and have been away from my family for a long time so this has been something to keep me entertained.
I have been intrigued the most about how extreme some of the responses have been. Then I've been seeing people say if so and so did this how would people have reacted? But my question is how would people have reacted if this was 15 or 20 years ago? For one thing I don't think people would be calling for Myles to be put in jail. People are so sensitive anymore anything hurts their feelings.
I don't think anyone wants him put in jail. It didn't amount to that, but it could have if the lineman wasn't there to soften the blow and/or minimize the amount of swings.
Since you have a family, imagine if some kid rips off your son's helmet and cracks him over the head with it. Would it be a big deal to you?
If this was a fistfight, certainly there would have been suspensions, but quite honestly I would have found it entertaining. That's not what happened.
In 1983, a guy by the name of Louis Resto fought a guy named Billy Collins. Resto was charged with attempted murder for putting plaster in his boxing gloves and served 2.5 years in prison. Billy Collins died from his injuries in 1984. When you go far enough outside the rules of the sport, the sport can't protect you.
The frightening part is not what happened, but what could of happened. The fact that Garrett's playing time is the issue around here, is rather disappointing. Some people are too short-sighted to understand what they ALMOST saw.
Based on what happened I think Garrett should play again one day, but had he knocked Rudolph out, peace out dummy. I'm with the NFL 100% on HIS suspension, regardless of #Whispergate.
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If the same exact situation would have played out in reverse, the same people on here saying things like "it was like a pillow hitting Rudolph" would be demanding a public hanging for the Steelers player who did it to Baker.
I don't have a problem with Garrett being suspended for the rest of the season. My problem lies with Rudolph getting off without a second lost to suspension. My hope is that he gets his a week from tomorrow.
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