Looking back - Josh Allen vs Josh Rosen
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Allen? First... have to laugh at any criticism for Jackson's "Scrambling" in a setup to lauding a big QB who is still known more for his running. As for his passing... I do have to admit the Allen is now able to hit the broad side of a barn on occasion, but he still lacks touch. He arrived in BUF to find the remnants of a Top 5 D and the Bills added Offensive piece after piece. And then there's the above mentioned "stability".
Always risky to put a team record up as an example of a QB's talent. Besides the supporting cast
Rosen? Two words... Cardinals and Dolphins... the NFL equivalent of the frying pan and the fire.
Looked for any expressions of negative sentiment upon his trade from AZ and found this:
Mark Dalton @CardsMarkD Thank you & best of luck in Miami to
@josh3rosen. So much respect for the professionalism, character & toughness he demonstrated throughout his time here.What an asshole... lol...
Bottom Line: Rosen is essentially still in the NFL starting gate, but the promise he showed at UCLA is still there and in year 2 of a potential 5-year contract, he's still cheap enough to see other, and hopefully better, opportunities.
While you make a lot of good points Tour - Miami probably still wanted to see him move the team (and escalate the play around him) better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. That shouldn't have been as impossible as it was if this guy is who we thought he was.
Baker was the only QB drafted by an 0-16 football team. The reason he became a fan fave is because he elevated the play of those around him as immediately as the first time he stepped on the field with a 14-0 deficit. FWIW, Cleveland was also winless (0-1-1) at that point in 2018 when he took his first snap with a 14-0 deficit he later erased vrs the Jets. He didn't need the "I was drafted by a bad team" excuse. In the process, we even found ourselves saying he was making the OL look better. Meanwhile, Arizona's current QB has them feeling like they can compete with anyone. They're not the Bingo FREE Space they were last year; and their rookie QB is a big reason for that IMO.
Keep in mind, a lot of Pac 12 QB Stars/1st round picks like Matt Leinart, Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Mark Sanchez, Joey Harrington, Jake Locker, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Leaf and Todd Marijuanavich disappointed at the NFL level in spite of all their promise. The 3 guys that had the most success are Aaron Rodgers (a JUCO transfer), Carson Palmer and Andrew Luck (who's already retired). I can't even add Alex Smith to the conference because his college team was in the Mountain West back when he played for Urban Meyer's & Joe Pesci's Utah Utes...
I remembered posting I'd much rather have Rosen than Allen if we didn't draft Mayfield or Darnold Duck. I have to admit Allen looks more like a keeper than Rosen at this point in time. One guy looks like his best football is in the rear view mirror and the other looks like he continues to get better in a league where the window of opportunity slams shut quickly. And it isn't like Buffalo spoiled Allen with all kinds of talent on the perimeter or at TE. The most notable WR they have is John Brown (who is on his 3rd NFL team in the last 3-4 years). All that said, he helps move the sticks with his arm and feet; and it's a big reason they're 9-3 without many big football names in the play making dept. I don't get the same vibe I got when the Bears once went something like 10-3 with Kyle Orton game managing them in the absence of Rex Grossman. I'm more impressed with what Allen puts on film as a Pro QB than I was with what he put on film in college. He also hasn't disappointed me when I've counted on him in fantasy football for whatever that's worth.
And YES - I'd be sleeping under bridges if I had to count on my pre-draft QB predictions for a living...
I don't get the same vibe I got when the Bears once went something like 10-3 with Kyle Orton game managing them in the absence of Rex Grossman.
I do.... except Orton wasn't a runner.
CHI then was much the same situation as BUF today where D plus run game (now including their QB) has been the order of the day. And while Allen has developed some as a passer, he still is not "franchise" caliber in my book. Not saying he never will be... just saying I still don't like his odds.
As for AZ.... a lot more has changed than just the QB.
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Rosen? Two words... Cardinals and Dolphins... the NFL equivalent of the frying pan and the fire.
the problem with this argument is that when the Dolphins made the switch to Fitz(a crappy veteran journeyman by all accounts) it was clear he was a major upgrade over Rosen. That's why fins fans were ticked, because they were hoping to continue losing every game and going from the disaster Rosen was to more marginally capable qb play hurt those chances. If a marginally capable crappy journeyman vet comes in and is CLEARLY the superior option, what the hell does that say about Rosen?
Has Rosen been put in dumpster fire type situations at both places? Sure, but he also looks like he sucks. At least that seems to be the consensus.
If the Dolphins were to move on from Rosen after this year, they would get almost nothing for him. Like 5th round pick type value. Which speaks to how everyone in the nfl views him now. There is nothing that says a qb can't be thrown into poor situations and also suck. That very much appears to be the case with Mr Rosen.
And I don't know jack about college to nfl qb evaluations and liked rosen coming out of UCLA too, but I can admit he's looked pretty poor.
And I'm not sure why you bring up character issues in defending Rosen. That was some(admittedly BS) whispers 2 years ago. Now nobody cares about that in the least and the issue has nothing to do with that.
the problem with this argument is that when the Dolphins made the switch to Fitz(a crappy veteran journeyman by all accounts) it was clear he was a major upgrade over Rosen. That's why fins fans were ticked, because they were hoping to continue losing every game and going from the disaster Rosen was to more marginally capable qb play hurt those chances. If a marginally capable crappy journeyman vet comes in and is CLEARLY the superior option, what the hell does that say about Rosen?
Has Rosen been put in dumpster fire type situations at both places? Sure, but he also looks like he sucks. At least that seems to be the consensus.
If the Dolphins were to move on from Rosen after this year, they would get almost nothing for him. Like 5th round pick type value. Which speaks to how everyone in the nfl views him now. There is nothing that says a qb can't be thrown into poor situations and also suck. That very much appears to be the case with Mr Rosen.
And I don't know jack about college to nfl qb evaluations and liked rosen coming out of UCLA too, but I can admit he's looked pretty poor.
And I'm not sure why you bring up character issues in defending Rosen. That was some(admittedly BS) whispers 2 years ago. Now nobody cares about that in the least and the issue has nothing to do with that.
Last first...I did not raise the character issue... the OP did.... just as he has from Day 1.
Fitz isn't a "crappy" vet.... he's a scrappy vet who has had success everywhere he has not been expected to be the franchise guy. And, yes, he has been superior... even CLEARLY superior in a scrappy, grizzled veteran kind of way. He's sparked the team and I would not be surprised if he re-upped with MIA in 2020 to mentor their new QB as seem to have decided that Rosen is not their QB of the future.
Bad situations tend to produce suck... that's all I'm saying. Better does not guarantee better, but as Tannehill is discovering there can be life after the Fins. I hope Rosen gets a similar shot as a backup somewhere so we really can evaluate him. There's a good chance of this since his price won't be high... a 5th seems ball-parkish.
If you had to rate their level of NFL success/performance to this point you would have to give Allen about a 4 I guess and Rosen a 0.
4 to 0 seems fair.... for now.
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Hey for what it's worth I thought that Josh Rosen was probably going to be the guy most ready to step into an NFL quarterback job. As you know my heart said Baker Mayfield. I'm glad I was wrong about Rosen and I'm glad we don't have him. I don't care about Josh Allen ' or Sam Darnold and I don't care about Lamar Jackson.
WSS
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Rosen is an arrogant prick. Recall when the 10th player chosen in the draft said that the 9 picks in front of him were mistakes..
Looks like his comment came back to bite him. Looking back at the top 10 picks, it's apparent Rosen was the first mistake. Glad to be witnessing his demise.
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I'm just curious as to the point or end-game for this thread? Right now it screams of self aggrandizing.
We're not comparing for the sake of opponent evaluation, pro bowl roster merits or the like... So what conclusion are we looking to reach here that doesnt involve thinly veiled and vague insults?
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I'm just curious as to the point or end-game for this thread? Right now it screams of self aggrandizing.
We're not comparing for the sake of opponent evaluation, pro bowl roster merits or the like... So what conclusion are we looking to reach here that doesnt involve thinly veiled and vague insults?
I'm just curious as to the point or end-game for this thread? Right now it screams of self aggrandizing.
We're not comparing for the sake of opponent evaluation, pro bowl roster merits or the like... So what conclusion are we looking to reach here that doesnt involve thinly veiled and vague insults?
How about - the importance of evaluating character...leadership...love for the game... in the future. Like, in draft picks?
The Browns chose wisely for a qb. The teams who picked rudoolph and rosen picked wrongley. ....wrongly? lol.
The calloway/corbett/Gordon desperation chances taken... keep holding the Browns back. If the point was self-aggrandizing - hardly, I can be wrong about stuff - but I think it's important after that fiasco - to look at the hearts of players, not just how they test in workouts. Not on the narrow focus of "best pocket passer in the draft".
I like the second chance thing, but it seems it's all too often like rolling the dice, and the Browns, as well as other teams, lose their money. The old saying "those who don't know/ignore history tend to repeat it" is more the point.
Maybe a good example is Corbett. About the same size as Bitonio,.... but Bitonio has the heart of a lion, as does Joe Thomas.
But Corbett? has only started two games, played in three since he left the Browns? Nope. No fierceness to compete, let alone win.
No love for the game, no heart. The lack of attention paid to the red flags on character/leadership in his nfl profiles... is just too bad for the team that drafted him. It shows, that's all.
I didn't start it to call out the few who got extremely nasty and belligerent about being disagreed with. Are you feeling guilty? Methinks thou dost complain too much. lol
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I'm just curious as to the point or end-game for this thread? Right now it screams of self aggrandizing.
We're not comparing for the sake of opponent evaluation, pro bowl roster merits or the like... So what conclusion are we looking to reach here that doesnt involve thinly veiled and vague insults?
How about - the importance of evaluating character...leadership...love for the game... in the future. Like, in draft picks?
The Browns chose wisely for a qb. The teams who picked rudoolph and rosen picked wrongley. ....wrongly? lol.
The calloway/corbett/Gordon desperation chances taken... keep holding the Browns back. If the point was self-aggrandizing - hardly, I can be wrong about stuff - but I think it's important after that fiasco - to look at the hearts of players, not just how they test in workouts. Not on the narrow focus of "best pocket passer in the draft".
I like the second chance thing, but it seems it's all too often like rolling the dice, and the Browns, as well as other teams, lose their money. The old saying "those who don't know/ignore history tend to repeat it" is more the point.
Maybe a good example is Corbett. About the same size as Bitonio,.... but Bitonio has the heart of a lion, as does Joe Thomas.
But Corbett? has only started two games, played in three since he left the Browns? Nope. No fierceness to compete, let alone win.
No love for the game, no heart. The lack of attention paid to the red flags on character/leadership in his nfl profiles... is just too bad for the team that drafted him. It shows, that's all.
I didn't start it to call out the few who got extremely nasty and belligerent about being disagreed with. Are you feeling guilty? Methinks thou dost complain too much. lol
How about - the importance of evaluating character...leadership...love for the game... in the future. Like, in draft picks?
The Browns chose wisely for a qb. The teams who picked rudoolph and rosen picked wrongley. ....wrongly? lol.
The calloway/corbett/Gordon desperation chances taken... keep holding the Browns back. If the point was self-aggrandizing - hardly, I can be wrong about stuff - but I think it's important after that fiasco - to look at the hearts of players, not just how they test in workouts. Not on the narrow focus of "best pocket passer in the draft".
I like the second chance thing, but it seems it's all too often like rolling the dice, and the Browns, as well as other teams, lose their money. The old saying "those who don't know/ignore history tend to repeat it" is more the point.
Maybe a good example is Corbett. About the same size as Bitonio,.... but Bitonio has the heart of a lion, as does Joe Thomas.
But Corbett? has only started two games, played in three since he left the Browns? Nope. No fierceness to compete, let alone win.
No love for the game, no heart. The lack of attention paid to the red flags on character/leadership in his nfl profiles... is just too bad for the team that drafted him. It shows, that's all.
I didn't start it to call out the few who got extremely nasty and belligerent about being disagreed with. Are you feeling guilty? Methinks thou dost complain too much. lol
Not even one nanny nanny boo boo?
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I'm just curious as to the point or end-game for this thread? Right now it screams of self aggrandizing.
We're not comparing for the sake of opponent evaluation, pro bowl roster merits or the like... So what conclusion are we looking to reach here that doesnt involve thinly veiled and vague insults?
I'm just curious as to the point or end-game for this thread? Right now it screams of self aggrandizing.
I'm here for the juxtaposition of Kal's and Kompany's character evaluations.
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Even if he busts out, as a first round pick Rosen has a nice retirement fund. Collected at least $11 million+ so far.
Regarding Lamar, the Browns had better hope he's another RG III, at least on the field- don't wish injury on anyone.
I'm not wanting him to face injury.. I just want him to flame out.. I want him to get fat , happy and resting on his laurels.... Defenses have to quit playing into his hands like the Clams did... And quit being mentally scared of him...
I'm not wanting him to face injury.. I just want him to flame out.. I want him to get fat , happy and resting on his laurels.... Defenses have to quit playing into his hands like the Clams did... And quit being mentally scared of him...
RG3 was a low IQ runner. He banged into people out of bounds and broke his arm, could not slide. Lamar is the Walter Payton of zig zag.
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How about - the importance of evaluating character...leadership...love for the game... in the future. Like, in draft picks?
The Browns chose wisely for a qb. The teams who picked rudoolph and rosen picked wrongley. ....wrongly? lol.
The calloway/corbett/Gordon desperation chances taken... keep holding the Browns back. If the point was self-aggrandizing - hardly, I can be wrong about stuff - but I think it's important after that fiasco - to look at the hearts of players, not just how they test in workouts. Not on the narrow focus of "best pocket passer in the draft".
I like the second chance thing, but it seems it's all too often like rolling the dice, and the Browns, as well as other teams, lose their money. The old saying "those who don't know/ignore history tend to repeat it" is more the point.
Maybe a good example is Corbett. About the same size as Bitonio,.... but Bitonio has the heart of a lion, as does Joe Thomas.
But Corbett? has only started two games, played in three since he left the Browns? Nope. No fierceness to compete, let alone win.
No love for the game, no heart. The lack of attention paid to the red flags on character/leadership in his nfl profiles... is just too bad for the team that drafted him. It shows, that's all.
I didn't start it to call out the few who got extremely nasty and belligerent about being disagreed with. Are you feeling guilty? Methinks thou dost complain too much. lol
Not even one nanny nanny boo boo?
Not even one nanny nanny boo boo?
Nope, I'm much too humble.
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That's precisely how everyone outside of NEO views Baker, and he's done little to dispute that so far.
At the present - Lamar Jackson is clearly better than all the others combined. It's not even close.
which is complete bs. Baker has outstanding leadership. and a fierce love of competition. Jackson is succeeding so far only because of his amazing athletic talent in scrambling. It didn't work much for him vs the Browns early on. He CAN throw, too, but it depends on the wr/secondary matchups. We'll see if he can continue the magic. He has the offensive line and defense..... etc etc.
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I'm here for the juxtaposition of Kal's and Kompany's character evaluations.
It's like the Political Board puked all over the Browns forum.
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Rosen is an arrogant prick. Recall when the 10th player chosen in the draft said that the 9 picks in front of him were mistakes..
Looks like his comment came back to bite him. Looking back at the top 10 picks, it's apparent Rosen was the first mistake. Glad to be witnessing his demise.
Rosen is an arrogant prick. Recall when the 10th player chosen in the draft said that the 9 picks in front of him were mistakes..
Looks like his comment came back to bite him. Looking back at the top 10 picks, it's apparent Rosen was the first mistake. Glad to be witnessing his demise.
The difference between you and me. I don't cheer for anyone else's failure. FWIW, just having enough athletic talent to make it to an NFL tryout, much less an active roster is a tremendously talented individual. Way back in High School we had the Juniors- Seniors Intramural Championship basketball game. I was on the Junior team, I mentioned elsewhere I had enough athletic talent to win a couple letters in tennis on the collegiate level. The Seniors had a couple guys skilled enough to get full scholarship rides to major colleges. LZ was the starting tailback for Ohio State behind John Brockington. I got to witness what sub 4.4 speed looked like up close and personal. Oh, he got a tryout to the Browns training camp, blew out his knee and that was the end of his pro career.
Rosen is a self absorbed prick.. Couldnt happen to a bigger dickhead...
Have you ever met him?
Tell me about it....
How about - the importance of evaluating character...leadership...love for the game... in the future. Like, in draft picks?
The Browns chose wisely for a qb. The teams who picked rudoolph and rosen picked wrongley. ....wrongly? lol.
The calloway/corbett/Gordon desperation chances taken... keep holding the Browns back. If the point was self-aggrandizing - hardly, I can be wrong about stuff - but I think it's important after that fiasco - to look at the hearts of players, not just how they test in workouts. Not on the narrow focus of "best pocket passer in the draft".
I like the second chance thing, but it seems it's all too often like rolling the dice, and the Browns, as well as other teams, lose their money. The old saying "those who don't know/ignore history tend to repeat it" is more the point.
Maybe a good example is Corbett. About the same size as Bitonio,.... but Bitonio has the heart of a lion, as does Joe Thomas.
But Corbett? has only started two games, played in three since he left the Browns? Nope. No fierceness to compete, let alone win.
No love for the game, no heart. The lack of attention paid to the red flags on character/leadership in his nfl profiles... is just too bad for the team that drafted him. It shows, that's all.
I didn't start it to call out the few who got extremely nasty and belligerent about being disagreed with. Are you feeling guilty? Methinks thou dost complain too much. lol
Sorry Cal- it's more about talent. Calloway and Gordon were certainly known character risks, but not lacking in the talent department. Plenty other talented guys have flamed out in the past over drugs.
Corbett was a talent mistake- it happens. I don't buy that crap he wasn't trying as hard as he humanly could. Possible Rosen may eventually fail in talent category, but if you think he's riding the pine because of an attitude problem? BS!!!! There's been say around a dozen or two- of highly drafted qbs that failed because of faulty talent evaluation. Joey Harrington and Akilli Smith immediately come to mind. FAR more talent goofs than character goofs like the all time bust Ryan Leaf, Todd Marijanovich, or our own Johnny Football.
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That's precisely how everyone outside of NEO views Baker, and he's done little to dispute that so far.
At the present - Lamar Jackson is clearly better than all the others combined. It's not even close.
which is complete bs. Baker has outstanding leadership. and a fierce love of competition. Jackson is succeeding so far only because of his amazing athletic talent in scrambling. It didn't work much for him vs the Browns early on. He CAN throw, too, but it depends on the wr/secondary matchups. We'll see if he can continue the magic. He has the offensive line and defense..... etc etc.
which is complete bs. Baker has outstanding leadership. and a fierce love of competition.
Jackson is succeeding so far only because of his amazing athletic talent in scrambling.
It didn't work much for him vs the Browns early on. He CAN throw, too, but it depends on the wr/secondary matchups. We'll see if he can continue the magic. He has the offensive line and defense..... etc etc.
Which is funny because, to many eyes here, that wasn't always such the case. Especially during the rough start to the current season. Being loud and "fierce" doesn't always = leadership.
Interesting in that one of your dismissals of Rosen was noting Murray's success. Not acknowledging the fact that Kyler is every bit as dangerous of a short area scrambler as Lamar. Yet here you are dismissing LJ as being successful ONLY because of his athletic talent. Quite the spin spin.
Right now all I'm seeing are a bunch of half concocted cliche's about "leadership" and "heart". Of which we have no true measure for and more importantly for the sake of this counter argument - do not appear to be anything resembling the reasons for Rosen's current lack of success. Hoorta is right, Talent is superior to all. If not, Tim Tebow would be the best to lace em' up.
Sorry, but this thread is premature. And it's also a bit early to talk about being humble while attempting taking a victory lap 3/4 of the way through year 2.
edit: And is this "leadership" "heart" and "Character" something you've always evaluated on? Because if you're going to claim this as your grand victory of insight into players some of us don't see, then we can always peep back over to your oversight of one Johnny Manziel. But I don't think we care to go back down that road.
double edit: Mostly because I remember beating you over the head with it then. So lets do something smart and revisit this thread in another year or 2.
at ease.
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It's like the Political Board puked all over the Browns forum.
I just went back and re-read the posts and the only one who puked politics all over this topic was you.
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Rosen is an arrogant prick. Recall when the 10th player chosen in the draft said that the 9 picks in front of him were mistakes..
Looks like his comment came back to bite him. Looking back at the top 10 picks, it's apparent Rosen was the first mistake. Glad to be witnessing his demise.
The difference between you and me. I don't cheer for anyone else's failure. FWIW, just having enough athletic talent to make it to an NFL tryout, much less an active roster is a tremendously talented individual. Way back in High School we had the Juniors- Seniors Intramural Championship basketball game. I was on the Junior team, I mentioned elsewhere I had enough athletic talent to win a couple letters in tennis on the collegiate level. The Seniors had a couple guys skilled enough to get full scholarship rides to major colleges. LZ was the starting tailback for Ohio State behind John Brockington. I got to witness what sub 4.4 speed looked like up close and personal. Oh, he got a tryout to the Browns training camp, blew out his knee and that was the end of his pro career.
Rosen is a self absorbed prick.. Couldnt happen to a bigger dickhead...
Have you ever met him?
Tell me about it....
How about - the importance of evaluating character...leadership...love for the game... in the future. Like, in draft picks?
The Browns chose wisely for a qb. The teams who picked rudoolph and rosen picked wrongley. ....wrongly? lol.
The calloway/corbett/Gordon desperation chances taken... keep holding the Browns back. If the point was self-aggrandizing - hardly, I can be wrong about stuff - but I think it's important after that fiasco - to look at the hearts of players, not just how they test in workouts. Not on the narrow focus of "best pocket passer in the draft".
I like the second chance thing, but it seems it's all too often like rolling the dice, and the Browns, as well as other teams, lose their money. The old saying "those who don't know/ignore history tend to repeat it" is more the point.
Maybe a good example is Corbett. About the same size as Bitonio,.... but Bitonio has the heart of a lion, as does Joe Thomas.
But Corbett? has only started two games, played in three since he left the Browns? Nope. No fierceness to compete, let alone win.
No love for the game, no heart. The lack of attention paid to the red flags on character/leadership in his nfl profiles... is just too bad for the team that drafted him. It shows, that's all.
I didn't start it to call out the few who got extremely nasty and belligerent about being disagreed with. Are you feeling guilty? Methinks thou dost complain too much. lol
Sorry Cal- it's more about talent. Calloway and Gordon were certainly known character risks, but not lacking in the talent department. Plenty other talented guys have flamed out in the past over drugs.
Corbett was a talent mistake- it happens. I don't buy that crap he wasn't trying as hard as he humanly could. Possible Rosen may eventually fail in talent category, but if you think he's riding the pine because of an attitude problem? BS!!!! There's been say around a dozen or two- of highly drafted qbs that failed because of faulty talent evaluation. Joey Harrington and Akilli Smith immediately come to mind. FAR more talent goofs than character goofs like the all time bust Ryan Leaf, Todd Marijanovich, or our own Johnny Football.
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It's like the Political Board puked all over the Browns forum.
I just went back and re-read the posts and the only one who puked politics all over this topic was you.
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which is complete bs. Baker has outstanding leadership. and a fierce love of competition.
Jackson is succeeding so far only because of his amazing athletic talent in scrambling.
It didn't work much for him vs the Browns early on. He CAN throw, too, but it depends on the wr/secondary matchups. We'll see if he can continue the magic. He has the offensive line and defense..... etc etc.
Which is funny because, to many eyes here, that wasn't always such the case. Especially during the rough start to the current season. Being loud and "fierce" doesn't always = leadership.
Interesting in that one of your dismissals of Rosen was noting Murray's success. Not acknowledging the fact that Kyler is every bit as dangerous of a short area scrambler as Lamar. Yet here you are dismissing LJ as being successful ONLY because of his athletic talent. Quite the spin spin.
Right now all I'm seeing are a bunch of half concocted cliche's about "leadership" and "heart". Of which we have no true measure for and more importantly for the sake of this counter argument - do not appear to be anything resembling the reasons for Rosen's current lack of success. Hoorta is right, Talent is superior to all. If not, Tim Tebow would be the best to lace em' up.
Sorry, but this thread is premature. And it's also a bit early to talk about being humble while attempting taking a victory lap 3/4 of the way through year 2.
edit: And is this "leadership" "heart" and "Character" something you've always evaluated on? Because if you're going to claim this as your grand victory of insight into players some of us don't see, then we can always peep back over to your oversight of one Johnny Manziel. But I don't think we care to go back down that road.
double edit: Mostly because I remember beating you over the head with it then. So lets do something smart and revisit this thread in another year or 2.
at ease.
Because if you're going to claim this as your grand victory of insight into players some of us don't see, then we can always peep back over to your oversight of one Johnny Manziel. But I don't think we care to go back down that road.
double edit: Mostly because I remember beating you over the head with it then. So lets do something smart and revisit this thread in another year or 2.
yep, you called yourself out. lol and you erred about Johnny Manziel. Ask Canton Mike - I despised a pick of manziel. I had zero use for him before the draft.
If you want to get all outraged about it, why enter the thread in the first place? It isn't a "grand victory" - it's what I value. It's how I'm wired, you can take it or leave it. Shove it, even.
There are plenty of examples of physical talent that fizzles out because the heart isn't there. The character isn't there. the love for the game isn't there. Corbett was fairly highly regarded in the draft. I was shocked we took him where we did.
More than a few players in the NFL have said that when they got to the pros, everybody was really good back in college. It's a step up in competition. For a guy like Corbett, he had a nice chance of being the superior talent. In the pros, it's a war. And Corbett played LT, taking over for....Bitonio. So, you'd think he would be a safe bet. Similar physical talent obviously. So what is the difference? Seems obvious to me.
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