Jets Fan on Mangini
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The original article had some good points and interesting statistics... which were marred by a thick layer of stupidity and thoughtless finger pointing.
I'm suprised he didn't say that it was Mangini's fault that Favre was injured. Apparently every point given up was directly his fault.
I have heard that Mangini has a stubborn refusal to change game plans and preferred a lazy, reaction-style defense before, but this article was a horrible way to present those facts. Hell, the defense gripe is pretty much a moot point, considering what Rob Ryan has been doing with our defensive players lately.
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this guy is a xxxxing idiot. he doesn't know shit, especially about our team.
for instance:
is it possible the Jets F.O. pulled rank and made the call to keep Favre in there rather than Mangini?
picking up 5, THAT'S 5 PLAYERS in positions of need for a single 1st rd pick?
whining that Coleman only had 8.5 sacks in his career--we're talking about a d-lineman here. plus he's a late bloomer-the guy had the most tackles for a d-lineman in '07 (108?)and is slated to play beside the d-lineman who had the most in '08 (Rogers)...bookended by arguably our best D-End in Robaire. hmmmmm.
how exactly is Brett Ratliff undersized at 6'4" 225 lbs?
minimizing safety Abe Elam as "untalented" after he cites that the guy single-handedly won a game for them making a play they were definitely not known for? sour grapes anyone?
why would Kokinis hire a guy from the Belicheck tree? how about Mangini hired him you xxxxing know-nothing-ass-hat.
nice propoganda piece.
With a Browns team that lacks talent in the secondary.....
?!?!why even bother with this guy?
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this guy is a xxxxing idiot. he doesn't know shit, especially about our team.
for instance:
is it possible the Jets F.O. pulled rank and made the call to keep Favre in there rather than Mangini?
picking up 5, THAT'S 5 PLAYERS in positions of need for a single 1st rd pick?
whining that Coleman only had 8.5 sacks in his career--we're talking about a d-lineman here. plus he's a late bloomer-the guy had the most tackles for a d-lineman in '07 (108?)and is slated to play beside the d-lineman who had the most in '08 (Rogers)...bookended by arguably our best D-End in Robaire. hmmmmm.
how exactly is Brett Ratliff undersized at 6'4" 225 lbs?
minimizing safety Abe Elam as "untalented" after he cites that the guy single-handedly won a game for them making a play they were definitely not known for? sour grapes anyone?
why would Kokinis hire a guy from the Belicheck tree? how about Mangini hired him you xxxxing know-nothing-ass-hat.
nice propoganda piece.
With a Browns team that lacks talent in the secondary.....
?!?!why even bother with this guy?
this guy is a xxxxing idiot. he doesn't know shit about our team.
for instance:
is it possible the Jets owners pulled rank and made the call to keep Favre in there rather than Mangini?
picking up 5, THAT'S 5 PLAYERS in positions of need for a single 1st rd pick?
whining that Coleman only had 8.5 sacks in his career--we're talking about a d-lineman here. plus he's a late bloomer-the guy had the most tackles for a d-lineman in '07 (108?)and is slated to play beside the d-lineman who had the most in '08 (Rogers)...bookended by arguably our best D-End in Robaire. hmmmmm.
how exactly is Brett Ratliff undersized at 6'4" 225 lbs?
minimizing safety Elam as untalented after he cites that the guy single-handedly won a game for them making a play they were definitely not known for. sour grapes anyone?
why would Kokinis hire a guy from the Belicheck tree? how about Mangini hired him you xxxxing know-nothing-ass-hat.
i quit there, nice propoganda piece.
why even bother with this guy?
Mangini has upgraded every position on this team. We are set.
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The only difference between Mangini New York and Mangini Cleveland is that he has more power here. In New York, the owner/GM controlled the vision of the franchise. Here, Mangini does through a "shared" vision with Lerner and Kok. We saw it how the Jets/Mangini and Browns/Mangini ran the offseason. Alot of differences.
If Mangini can't improve his gameday coaching and not exhausting his players in Augest , his teams will continue to suffer down the stretch.
The only difference between Mangini New York and Mangini Cleveland is that he has more power here. In New York, the owner/GM controlled the vision of the franchise. Here, Mangini does through a "shared" vision with Lerner and Kok. We saw it how the Jets/Mangini and Browns/Mangini ran the offseason. Alot of differences.
If Mangini can't improve his gameday coaching and not exhausting his players in Augest , his teams will continue to suffer down the stretch.
it does seem like the handcuffs are off in CLE, so the REAL ERIC will probably stand up.
some of the characteristic decisions may have actually been uncharacteristic of Mangy due to micromanagement by the Brass in NY.
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Was it Cowhers defense that won a super bowl or was it LeBeau's????? Was it Tomliins defense that won a super bowl or was it LeBeau's????
When will people finally get it.... It's not the head coaches offense or defense---it's the coordinators....
The head coach is the CEO of the football team.... In most places that I worked I rarely saw the CEO on the shop floor....
This is Ryans defense now here in Cleveland... They'll take on his personality and be controlled by him... As Terry Pluto put it, the coordinators are the head coaches for their respective units on game day....
As far as Mangini sticking with Favre, come on... You don't bench a hall of famer going down the stretch.... That was out of Mangini's control, if he would have benched Favre and they still lost could you imagine the field day the New York media would have had with that one....
So far I'm happy with almost everything Mangini has done... My one concern is I hope we don't burn out in summer camp to the point we run out of gas in November and December....
Peace
T.Dawg
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Hey guys,
I joined the forum last week (or so), just to ask Jet-Browns related questions, but threads like this are so inviting.
Mangini's defense was kind of bland in the beginning in all 3 years in New York. The first 2 years, the blitz packages became more aggressive after the bye week, and last year was slowly eased into it, although our defense took a big blow when Jenkins got hurt (he was way overworked). You have 2 stud DT/NT types in Rodgers and Tuba that can take the pressure off of each other (I stated in another thread, I believe your defensive line is much more capable of being successful in the style of defense that Mangini likes). Yes, he likes his DB blitzes, as evident when Kerry Rhodes had 4 or 5 sacks 2 years ago, and a few others by defensive backs in the same season. Sometimes the defense became slightly "fancy" for lack of a better word, but we really didn't have the personnel to pull it off.
If your defensive line can hold up, you're going to like his defense. If not, be prepared to let up a lot of rushing yards, as the D-Linemen are expected to play 2 gap and let the LBs move to the ball. LBs are expected to contain the ball in front of them, and also asked to drop back into coverage more than the average NFL LB does (this is all how it was in New York, so hopefully for the 09 Browns, Mangini has a much more aggressive scheme). You have good players on the defensive side of the ball, and from an outside view, I'd expect your defense to be able to be in AT LEAST the top half of the league.
I hope this helped a little
Boy, I wish I was as confident as you about how "good" these players are. I have been under the impression their is a distinct void of talent for the most part on the Browns side of the ball. I hope some of these imports and rookie prove you right.
Boy, I wish I was as confident as you about how "good" these players are. I have been under the impression their is a distinct void of talent for the most part on the Browns side of the ball. I hope some of these imports and rookie prove you right.
I think there are a lot of good players on the Browns. Listen, 2 years ago you finished 10-6, under Crennel, and accomplished a lot of really good things that year. Unfortunately you didn't make the playoffs, but you were set up for success in 08. Whatever happened in 08, I believe that 07 wasn't an anomaly. I think that overall, the Browns have more talent than the Jets, ESPECIALLY at key positions (QB/WR - NT/DE - OT). Your QB situation alone puts ours to shame, and Mangini will use that and make himself a better coach (he's all about becoming better every year). As I look at your schedule, the travel is not difficult, and if I give you guys an 0-4 against Baltimore and Pittsburgh for the year, I still have you at 8-8. I'm a Browns believer, just from what I've seen the last couple of years.
That Monday night game against the Giants last year was awesome, but the team couldn't recover from the rocky start. Quinn showed signs of being good, but got injured. You had no luck last year, either. sometimes it's about luck, health, and in the case of the Patriots, extra video tapes.
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@inspecta said:
Bull that is my only concern as well.Does anybody remember that ESPN movie they did on Bear Bryant played by Tom Berenger? I think it was called Junction Boys or something like that. It was basically about how effin' tough he ran his summer camp, and at the end of the movie it recalled the season and Bryant lamented how hard he was on them in the summer because basically they had the shit beat out of them and had nothing left for the actual season.
Coaches can do that sometimes, they think they are making their guys tougher, meaner, stronger but in reality they're just wearing them out. I had a coach like that in high school. He had a thing called pre-practice and would call all the linemen out of the field house way before the rest of the team, and on gamedays he would have us do hitting drills and bull in a ring type shit in the pre game warmups. He was a dumbf*ck to be sure cause we were gased before kickoffs. The head coach basically put a stop to that shit after week 2 of our season when we had 3 guys go down with cramps or other fatigue related injury.
Good analogy. That's what the players talked about after Mangini's first year in New York.
That movie was terrible, however.
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Boy, I wish I was as confident as you about how "good" these players are. I have been under the impression their is a distinct void of talent for the most part on the Browns side of the ball. I hope some of these imports and rookie prove you right.
I think there are a lot of good players on the Browns. Listen, 2 years ago you finished 10-6, under Crennel, and accomplished a lot of really good things that year. Unfortunately you didn't make the playoffs, but you were set up for success in 08. Whatever happened in 08, I believe that 07 wasn't an anomaly. I think that overall, the Browns have more talent than the Jets, ESPECIALLY at key positions (QB/WR - NT/DE - OT). Your QB situation alone puts ours to shame, and Mangini will use that and make himself a better coach (he's all about becoming better every year). As I look at your schedule, the travel is not difficult, and if I give you guys an 0-4 against Baltimore and Pittsburgh for the year, I still have you at 8-8. I'm a Browns believer, just from what I've seen the last couple of years.
That Monday night game against the Giants last year was awesome, but the team couldn't recover from the rocky start. Quinn showed signs of being good, but got injured. You had no luck last year, either. sometimes it's about luck, health, and in the case of the Patriots, extra video tapes.
I think there are a lot of good players on the Browns. Listen, 2 years ago you finished 10-6, under Crennel, and accomplished a lot of really good things that year. Unfortunately you didn't make the playoffs, but you were set up for success in 08. Whatever happened in 08, I believe that 07 wasn't an anomaly. I think that overall, the Browns have more talent than the Jets, ESPECIALLY at key positions (QB/WR - NT/DE - OT). Your QB situation alone puts ours to shame, and Mangini will use that and make himself a better coach (he's all about becoming better every year). As I look at your schedule, the travel is not difficult, and if I give you guys an 0-4 against Baltimore and Pittsburgh for the year, I still have you at 8-8. I'm a Browns believer, just from what I've seen the last couple of years.
That Monday night game against the Giants last year was awesome, but the team couldn't recover from the rocky start. Quinn showed signs of being good, but got injured. You had no luck last year, either. sometimes it's about luck, health, and in the case of the Patriots, extra video tapes.
Yeah, that Giants game makes me proud. Anderson and co bitchslapped the NY giants. Everyone had Giants picked too. Anyway, the loss of JJ had hurt the wide reciever position. If JJ doesn't get staph, we go 10-6. Seriously.
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I think there are a lot of good players on the Browns. Listen, 2 years ago you finished 10-6, under Crennel, and accomplished a lot of really good things that year. Unfortunately you didn't make the playoffs, but you were set up for success in 08. Whatever happened in 08, I believe that 07 wasn't an anomaly. I think that overall, the Browns have more talent than the Jets, ESPECIALLY at key positions (QB/WR - NT/DE - OT). Your QB situation alone puts ours to shame, and Mangini will use that and make himself a better coach (he's all about becoming better every year). As I look at your schedule, the travel is not difficult, and if I give you guys an 0-4 against Baltimore and Pittsburgh for the year, I still have you at 8-8. I'm a Browns believer, just from what I've seen the last couple of years.
That Monday night game against the Giants last year was awesome, but the team couldn't recover from the rocky start. Quinn showed signs of being good, but got injured. You had no luck last year, either. sometimes it's about luck, health, and in the case of the Patriots, extra video tapes.
Yeah, that Giants game makes me proud. Anderson and co bitchslapped the NY giants. Everyone had Giants picked too. Anyway, the loss of JJ had hurt the wide reciever position. If JJ doesn't get staph, we go 10-6. Seriously.
Yeah, that Giants game makes me proud. Anderson and co bitchslapped the NY giants. Everyone had Giants picked too. Anyway, the loss of JJ had hurt the wide reciever position. If JJ doesn't get staph, we go 10-6. Seriously.
Is that a realistic problem in the locker room in Cleveland, or was Kellen Winslow just opening his mouth for no reason? If it really is a problem, is it taken care of? At my academy it's a continuing problem, and a few guys have gotten mersa and have been hospitalized. I don't know if it was like that or not.
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The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.
It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.
We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.
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Yeah, that Giants game makes me proud. Anderson and co bitchslapped the NY giants. Everyone had Giants picked too. Anyway, the loss of JJ had hurt the wide reciever position. If JJ doesn't get staph, we go 10-6. Seriously.
Is that a realistic problem in the locker room in Cleveland, or was Kellen Winslow just opening his mouth for no reason? If it really is a problem, is it taken care of? At my academy it's a continuing problem, and a few guys have gotten mersa and have been hospitalized. I don't know if it was like that or not.
Is that a realistic problem in the locker room in Cleveland, or was Kellen Winslow just opening his mouth for no reason? If it really is a problem, is it taken care of? At my academy it's a continuing problem, and a few guys have gotten mersa and have been hospitalized. I don't know if it was like that or not.
It's a bit of a ongoing problem, and I'm pretty sure Winslow wasn't just mouthing off for no reasons. And for knowing if it is taken care of, I sure hope so. Staph infections suck.
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The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.
It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.
We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.
The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.
It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.
We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.
Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.
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The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.
It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.
We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.
Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.
Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.
We will see come the season my friend. I see 4-6 games right now. maybe 2-3 if things really go bad. Mangini has his work cut out for him.
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Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.
We will see come the season my friend. I see 4-6 games right now. maybe 2-3 if things really go bad. Mangini has his work cut out for him.
We will see come the season my friend. I see 4-6 games right now. maybe 2-3 if things really go bad. Mangini has his work cut out for him.
I see 7 wins and 9 losses across the board. However, if our offense clicks, and the defense is lights out, we should go 10-6 and that's an BIG if.
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The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.
It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.
We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.
Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.
Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.
Neither were the Patriots in 01, but they had good coaching.
I believe the NFL is a coaches league (better coaches win), unlike basketball where it's a player's league (Let's see Phil Jackson coach Oklahoma City and win a championship without Kobe).
I hope Mangini works out for you guys, and the team gels quickly and is on board with his schemes
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The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.
It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.
We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.
The Giants game was a classic trap game. It was the silver bullet.
It wasn't reality. Yet, we continue to think this team has this amazing talent...........even though the roster will be 60% overturned probably by winter.
We stink right now. Accept that fact and hope for a better future.
I don't buy into the whole "trap game" thing, especially at the professional level. These guys are professionals and any given Sunday any team can come out and play there asses off and look like world champs. What the Browns did that Monday night may have been an apparition for the season, but under a good coaching staff, which I feel the one we have now is pretty damn good, I don't see why this team couldn't play like that consistently. And as a side note, your posts are obnoxiously pessimistic. I'd say a good 49 of your 50 posts contribute nothing to the conversation except "This team sucks". Cheer up, you football emo.
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So what this idiot would have us believe is that Eric Mangini is going to bench Brett Favre? Love him or hate him, no one is benching Brett. That's part of the package. A package, by the way, that was forced on Mangini.
Considering he played the first two years with Jerome "Can't Play Any Gap" Robertson at NT and Jonathan "Take Myself Out of the Play" Vilma....then yes, I'm impressed with his defense. His coordinator was a moron and he wanted Rob Ryan BEFORE his last season in NY but Al Davis wouldn't let him out of his contract.
Here is the key thing that I LOVE about Mangini: He will never waste time outs and he will, on at least 3-4 plays a game, force the other team into some difficult situation by dictating a formation or a tempo. As a result, the other coach will have to burn a time out or take a penalty. THAT is coaching. If you want proof, look to the New England game in NE last year. Belichick got forced into challenging an obviously correct play and he was one step ahead of Belichick all night long.
Against the Raiders, Brett Favre threw a pick with less than two minutes left. Somehow, Mangini managed the game and got the ball back in time to drive for a tying FG.
He also took his team into Tennessee and dealt them their first loss....by a LOT.
Cheer up Cleveland fans....The Jets fans are a JOKE. If the wind changes direction, they want someone fired.
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Quite the pessimistic one, eh? What is with you and your negativity. We don't have a bad team. We don't have amazing talent, but we have good talents across the board. We're middle of the road. We're not bad, but we're certainly not great.
Neither were the Patriots in 01, but they had good coaching.
I believe the NFL is a coaches league (better coaches win), unlike basketball where it's a player's league (Let's see Phil Jackson coach Oklahoma City and win a championship without Kobe).
I hope Mangini works out for you guys, and the team gels quickly and is on board with his schemes
Neither were the Patriots in 01, but they had good coaching.
I believe the NFL is a coaches league (better coaches win), unlike basketball where it's a player's league (Let's see Phil Jackson coach Oklahoma City and win a championship without Kobe).
I hope Mangini works out for you guys, and the team gels quickly and is on board with his schemes
I agree completely. It's all about the execution and preparing for a game. That's what Romeo could not do well. Well, let's hope that Mangini pans out for us. After all, we can't do no worse than last year unless you are the lions, whom are the exceptions to the rule.
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So what this idiot would have us believe is that Eric Mangini is going to bench Brett Favre? Love him or hate him, no one is benching Brett. That's part of the package. A package, by the way, that was forced on Mangini.
Considering he played the first two years with Jerome "Can't Play Any Gap" Robertson at NT and Jonathan "Take Myself Out of the Play" Vilma....then yes, I'm impressed with his defense. His coordinator was a moron and he wanted Rob Ryan BEFORE his last season in NY but Al Davis wouldn't let him out of his contract.
Here is the key thing that I LOVE about Mangini: He will never waste time outs and he will, on at least 3-4 plays a game, force the other team into some difficult situation by dictating a formation or a tempo. As a result, the other coach will have to burn a time out or take a penalty. THAT is coaching. If you want proof, look to the New England game in NE last year. Belichick got forced into challenging an obviously correct play and he was one step ahead of Belichick all night long.
Against the Raiders, Brett Favre threw a pick with less than two minutes left. Somehow, Mangini managed the game and got the ball back in time to drive for a tying FG.
He also took his team into Tennessee and dealt them their first loss....by a LOT.
Cheer up Cleveland fans....The Jets fans are a JOKE. If the wind changes direction, they want someone fired.
So what this idiot would have us believe is that Eric Mangini is going to bench Brett Favre? Love him or hate him, no one is benching Brett. That's part of the package. A package, by the way, that was forced on Mangini.
Considering he played the first two years with Jerome "Can't Play Any Gap" Robertson at NT and Jonathan "Take Myself Out of the Play" Vilma....then yes, I'm impressed with his defense. His coordinator was a moron and he wanted Rob Ryan BEFORE his last season in NY but Al Davis wouldn't let him out of his contract.
Here is the key thing that I LOVE about Mangini: He will never waste time outs and he will, on at least 3-4 plays a game, force the other team into some difficult situation by dictating a formation or a tempo. As a result, the other coach will have to burn a time out or take a penalty. THAT is coaching. If you want proof, look to the New England game in NE last year. Belichick got forced into challenging an obviously correct play and he was one step ahead of Belichick all night long.
Against the Raiders, Brett Favre threw a pick with less than two minutes left. Somehow, Mangini managed the game and got the ball back in time to drive for a tying FG.
He also took his team into Tennessee and dealt them their first loss....by a LOT.
Cheer up Cleveland fans....The Jets fans are a JOKE. If the wind changes direction, they want someone fired.
I don't think that's fair, what do we as the fans have to do with the Mangini firing?, yet I will concede in NY there's a lot of pressure to succeed.
Don't kid yourself also, there was a lot that Mangini did to hurt the team. The last 5 games of the season, right after we destroyed Tenn, the team never showed up to play. The only game we won of those 5 was by the grace of God (Jauron called a passing play, and we sacked, stripped the ball and ran it back for a TD).
That's coaching as well.
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Neither were the Patriots in 01, but they had good coaching.
I believe the NFL is a coaches league (better coaches win), unlike basketball where it's a player's league (Let's see Phil Jackson coach Oklahoma City and win a championship without Kobe).
I hope Mangini works out for you guys, and the team gels quickly and is on board with his schemes
I agree completely. It's all about the execution and preparing for a game. That's what Romeo could not do well. Well, let's hope that Mangini pans out for us. After all, we can't do no worse than last year unless you are the lions, whom are the exceptions to the rule.
I agree completely. It's all about the execution and preparing for a game. That's what Romeo could not do well. Well, let's hope that Mangini pans out for us. After all, we can't do no worse than last year unless you are the lions, whom are the exceptions to the rule.
Overall, Mangini prepares well, except in the last 5 games last year. I'll put part of the blame on Favre's poor play, but a lot was coaching, play calling, etc. Schottenheimer also had something to do with this.
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