The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.
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Yeah I recall him being an older college player too. He’s fit a role that they have given him nicely but he’s a surprisingly good athlete. The run he had trucking the DB doing the no arm tackle was a thing of beauty.
But is he really potentially Drew Brees' replacement, or is this his ceiling? I've heard announcers at least twice say that some think he might be the Saints QB, but there's a huge difference between being a change up to an opposing defense and being the starter.
But is he really potentially Drew Brees' replacement, or is this his ceiling? I've heard announcers at least twice say that some think he might be the Saints QB, but there's a huge difference between being a change up to an opposing defense and being the starter.
You don’t replace Drew Brees. I don’t see him as that answer.
He has a defined role and the OC is masterful with his use.
but who knows...
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FYI Nico just announced he's returning to school next year.
Crazy. DPJ should be the one staying IMO.
Nico is NFL ready much like Shaun Wade. I think both are coming back to be the guy and move up the draft boards but both could contribute next Fall on NFL rosters.
Crazy. DPJ should be the one staying IMO.
Nico is NFL ready much like Shaun Wade. I think both are coming back to be the guy and move up the draft boards but both could contribute next Fall on NFL rosters.
The best reason I can think of is that, even though Nico had the production, there are concerns about his athleticism at the next level. Another year of real dominance as a true #1 might help him. Nico may get lost in the sea of top WRs coming out.
DPJ on the other hand was always going to be a combine guy. Regardless of production, his athleticism would show up through the draft process.
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Keeping my eye on? Buckeyes.
Chase Young..DE....top 1 or 2
Okudah..CB....top 5 maybe, no later than top 10
Dobbins....RB...late 1st, early 2d round.
Malik Harrison....LB...somewhere in 2d round.
Damon Arnette....CB...late 2d
Thayer Munford ....OT...3rd round
Devon Hamilton...DT... early 3rd
Jordan Fuller DB...4th round
KJ Hill ...WR....4th round
Others: Jonah Jackson OL; Austin Mack WR; Jonathan Cooper DL. Benjamin Victor WR.
So....as many as a dozen Buckeyes could get picked.
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Keeping my eye on? Buckeyes.
Chase Young..DE....top 1 or 2
Okudah..CB....top 5 maybe, no later than top 10
Dobbins....RB...late 1st, early 2d round.
Malik Harrison....LB...somewhere in 2d round.
Damon Arnette....CB...late 2d
Thayer Munford ....OT...3rd round
Devon Hamilton...DT... early 3rd
Jordan Fuller DB...4th round
KJ Hill ...WR....4th round
Others: Jonah Jackson OL; Austin Mack WR; Jonathan Cooper DL. Benjamin Victor WR.
So....as many as a dozen Buckeyes could get picked.
Keeping my eye on? Buckeyes.
Chase Young..DE....top 1 or 2
Okudah..CB....top 5 maybe, no later than top 10
Dobbins....RB...late 1st, early 2d round.
Malik Harrison....LB...somewhere in 2d round.
Damon Arnette....CB...late 2d
Thayer Munford ....OT...3rd round
Devon Hamilton...DT... early 3rd
Jordan Fuller DB...4th round
KJ Hill ...WR....4th round
Others: Jonah Jackson OL; Austin Mack WR; Jonathan Cooper DL. Benjamin Victor WR.
So....as many as a dozen Buckeyes could get picked.
Cooper is back to OSU.
Fuller and Hill great value in the 4th. Fuller reminds me of Kurt Coleman.
I’d also take a flier on guys like Austin Mack And Jonah Jackson. Jackson just came into a national title contender seamless transition and I thought played really well. -
Tua declares, he is going into the draft despite his somewhat serious injuries.
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Tua declares, he is going into the draft despite his somewhat serious injuries.
Tua declares, he is going into the draft despite his somewhat serious injuries.
PFF loves the kid. But I just don't see it. I think he's a good athlete, surrounded by superior talent. Going to take a great deal of work to make him a QB between the ears.
Speaking of PFF... Had an interaction with one of their data scientists. Interesting lot, those guys.
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Tua declares, he is going into the draft despite his somewhat serious injuries.
PFF loves the kid. But I just don't see it. I think he's a good athlete, surrounded by superior talent. Going to take a great deal of work to make him a QB between the ears.
Speaking of PFF... Had an interaction with one of their data scientists. Interesting lot, those guys.
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I'm a hard pass on Tua unless he craters into the second or third round...He's one who has to prove it to me. I have never seen what the analysts say are great. He doesn't hold a candle to Lawarence. Who BTW, if he wins the national championship again this year, how amazing would it be if he was like, "No, I'm good. I don't need to play CFB next year. You have seen my tape. I'll see you guys at the draft." If I was his parent, that's exactly what I would make him do.
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I'm a hard pass on Tua unless he craters into the second or third round...He's one who has to prove it to me. I have never seen what the analysts say are great. He doesn't hold a candle to Lawarence. Who BTW, if he wins the national championship again this year, how amazing would it be if he was like, "No, I'm good. I don't need to play CFB next year. You have seen my tape. I'll see you guys at the draft." If I was his parent, that's exactly what I would make him do.
I'm a hard pass on Tua unless he craters into the second or third round...He's one who has to prove it to me. I have never seen what the analysts say are great. He doesn't hold a candle to Lawarence. Who BTW, if he wins the national championship again this year, how amazing would it be if he was like, "No, I'm good. I don't need to play CFB next year. You have seen my tape. I'll see you guys at the draft." If I was his parent, that's exactly what I would make him do.
You make excellent points. I agree on Tua......and I agree that if Lawrence were in this draft, he would be hands down #1. And I predict that Clemson will win....due in great part to him.
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Trevor Lawrence very well may have been the #1 overall pick in the draft LAST year.....and he certainly would be that this coming draft. But he is not eligible to enter the league. But, he will be a year from now.
So....let the Phrase Coinage begin:
Lay Down for Lawrence
Tank for Trevor.
So, lets go there: Which teams WILL be Tanking for Trevor?
LIons? Jags? Dolphins? Chargers? How about the freeking New England Patriots.....tanking to get the #1 pick! Or....the fucking Pittsburgh Steelers!! Both of whom would be in need of fresh blood at QB come after next season.
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I'm a hard pass on Tua unless he craters into the second or third round...He's one who has to prove it to me. I have never seen what the analysts say are great. He doesn't hold a candle to Lawarence. Who BTW, if he wins the national championship again this year, how amazing would it be if he was like, "No, I'm good. I don't need to play CFB next year. You have seen my tape. I'll see you guys at the draft." If I was his parent, that's exactly what I would make him do.
You make excellent points. I agree on Tua......and I agree that if Lawrence were in this draft, he would be hands down #1. And I predict that Clemson will win....due in great part to him.
You make excellent points. I agree on Tua......and I agree that if Lawrence were in this draft, he would be hands down #1. And I predict that Clemson will win....due in great part to him.
Tua wouldn’t be 2 in next years draft either.
Id put Fields over Tua too
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You make excellent points. I agree on Tua......and I agree that if Lawrence were in this draft, he would be hands down #1. And I predict that Clemson will win....due in great part to him.
Tua wouldn’t be 2 in next years draft either.
Id put Fields over Tua too
Tua wouldn’t be 2 in next years draft either.
Id put Fields over Tua too
Not sure I'd go that far. Tua has a ways to go, but Fields is quite raw as a passer.
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Tua wouldn’t be 2 in next years draft either.
Id put Fields over Tua too
Not sure I'd go that far. Tua has a ways to go, but Fields is quite raw as a passer.
Not sure I'd go that far. Tua has a ways to go, but Fields is quite raw as a passer.
He’s climbed a mountain in one year when he looked like an athlete playing QB with Georgia. He was neck and neck with Lawrence coming into college according to rankings. All he did was go 41 TDS 3 Ints last season first full year.
He hasnt suffered a major injury and has the size, the arm talent and better athleticism than most QB prospects.
Granted he Needs to work on his reads year 2 under Ryan Day may accelerate His growth further.
I liked his poise in the pocket and his eyes downfield making throws while under duress.
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Not sure I'd go that far. Tua has a ways to go, but Fields is quite raw as a passer.
He’s climbed a mountain in one year when he looked like an athlete playing QB with Georgia. He was neck and neck with Lawrence coming into college according to rankings. All he did was go 41 TDS 3 Ints last season first full year.
He hasnt suffered a major injury and has the size, the arm talent and better athleticism than most QB prospects.
Granted he Needs to work on his reads year 2 under Ryan Day may accelerate His growth further.
I liked his poise in the pocket and his eyes downfield making throws while under duress.
He’s climbed a mountain in one year when he looked like an athlete playing QB with Georgia. He was neck and neck with Lawrence coming into college according to rankings. All he did was go 41 TDS 3 Ints last season first full year.
He hasnt suffered a major injury and has the size, the arm talent and better athleticism than most QB prospects.
Granted he Needs to work on his reads year 2 under Ryan Day may accelerate His growth further.
I liked his poise in the pocket and his eyes downfield making throws while under duress.
In order of the bolded.
Those are great physical attributes, but do not necessarily a good QB make.
- It goes just beyond "reads". His processing speed, timing, ball placement, pre-and post snap understanding, sliding in the pocket, etc etc ...all need to take that (big) next step
- I believe JF had 12 sacks credited to him this year. Which was one of the very worst marks in all of college football. His eyes downfield can be hit or miss. Just ask Olave'.
- Fields is a good kid, good head on his shoulders and has all the capability in the world plus a great coaching staff. He CAN get there. But as a passer he is below Lawrence and Tua at the moment.
Also worth noting I have zero belief Lawrence would go #1 this year. That honor rests solely on the shoulders of Joe Burrow. (Best pro ready QB since Luck) If anything, and probably to the dismay of Gipper, Lawrence needs work as well. He misfired and misread quite a bit when he played tOSU.
It almost feels like the "draft Barkley next year!!!" crowd from 2012 or the "fail for Cardale" from 2015. Funny how that worked out.
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I’m still not sold on the shelf life of running QB’s in the NFL.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
You make excellent points. I agree on Tua......and I agree that if Lawrence were in this draft, he would be hands down #1. And I predict that Clemson will win....due in great part to him.
Tua wouldn’t be 2 in next years draft either.
Id put Fields over Tua too
Tua wouldn’t be 2 in next years draft either.
Id put Fields over Tua too
Call in another Lawrence: Lawrence Welk A one-a, A Tua, A Three-a.
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Also worth noting I have zero belief Lawrence would go #1 this year. That honor rests solely on the shoulders of Joe Burrow. (Best pro ready QB since Luck) If anything, and probably to the dismay of Gipper, Lawrence needs work as well. He misfired and misread quite a bit when he played tOSU.
It would not be a dismay to me.....it would be a dismay to every single college talent evaluator out there, from Mel Kiper on down . Joe Burrow could very well go #1 THIS year....but only because Lawrence is not coming out. Burrow took until after his 5th year as college performer to be considered that high. Lawrence has been there since his freshman year.
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Also worth noting I have zero belief Lawrence would go #1 this year. That honor rests solely on the shoulders of Joe Burrow. (Best pro ready QB since Luck) If anything, and probably to the dismay of Gipper, Lawrence needs work as well. He misfired and misread quite a bit when he played tOSU.
It would not be a dismay to me.....it would be a dismay to every single college talent evaluator out there, from Mel Kiper on down . Joe Burrow could very well go #1 THIS year....but only because Lawrence is not coming out. Burrow took until after his 5th year as college performer to be considered that high. Lawrence has been there since his freshman year.
Also worth noting I have zero belief Lawrence would go #1 this year. That honor rests solely on the shoulders of Joe Burrow. (Best pro ready QB since Luck) If anything, and probably to the dismay of Gipper, Lawrence needs work as well. He misfired and misread quite a bit when he played tOSU.
It would not be a dismay to me.....it would be a dismay to every single college talent evaluator out there, from Mel Kiper on down . Joe Burrow could very well go #1 THIS year....but only because Lawrence is not coming out. Burrow took until after his 5th year as college performer to be considered that high. Lawrence has been there since his freshman year.
If you're going to talk about evaluators, leave out the guy that had Jimmy Clausen rated higher than Cam Newton.
Joe Burrow IS going #1 this year, there's no question on that and if you're a betting man I'll be happy to take whatever you're willing to throw out. Joey was also not a starter until his 4th season, which was at no fault of his own. He was "beat out" by a kid that would go on to have the single greatest passing season in Big Ten history and become a 1st round pick. Not too shabby.
Hell, if Lawrence shows some chinks in the armor that he did in the Fiesta Bowl and it carries on into next year, MF might not even go #1 in 2021.
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I’m still not sold on the shelf life of running QB’s in the NFL.
I’m still not sold on the shelf life of running QB’s in the NFL.
Lawrence is NOT considered a running QB. Can he run? Sure. But is not like he is Lamar Jackson...or Hurts or even Tua...
He can run and run well...But that is not the part of his game he is known for really.
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