Browns to let Schobert walk
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I'm not sure, but the "leadership" ended up 6-10? Dorsey had no chance.
Dorsey was the leadership. This team was the sum of his decisions. When you say no chance you mean the poor guy didn't inherit any reasonable draft volumes inclusive of a #1 overall pick or any money to spend. Yeah, that poor guy never had 1 chance. And when 2 of his ideas for LT end up in jail/prison - we're gonna still need a LT. And, like you say if a guy can play in a Pro Bowl and lead the league in tackles - you have to get rid of that productivity if his name isn't Ray Lewis. 3 openings at LBer are better than 2 openings especially if you're worried about overpaying guys via FA. It feels like we have more openings going into 2020 than we had going into 2019.
Zombo had the best take on how we could have re-signed/extended Schobert for way less cake than the open market of FA. He even pointed out the guy isn't the greatest of all time while he expressed disappointment we've thrown away time wasted in developing the guy for another team to get him at his best football.
So where are we? You've gone from being Dorsey's biggest critic throughout 2019 to being his biggest fan in this thread. Good for you!
Dorsey was the leadership. This team was the sum of his decisions. When you say no chance you mean the poor guy didn't inherit any reasonable draft volumes inclusive of a #1 overall pick or any money to spend. Yeah, that poor guy never had 1 chance. And when 2 of his ideas for LT end up in jail/prison - we're gonna still need a LT. And, like you say if a guy can play in a Pro Bowl and lead the league in tackles - you have to get rid of that productivity if his name isn't Ray Lewis. 3 openings at LBer are better than 2 openings especially if you're worried about overpaying guys via FA. It feels like we have more openings going into 2020 than we had going into 2019.
Zombo had the best take on how we could have re-signed/extended Schobert for way less cake than the open market of FA. He even pointed out the guy isn't the greatest of all time while he expressed disappointment we've thrown away time wasted in developing the guy for another team to get him at his best football.
So where are we? You've gone from being Dorsey's biggest critic throughout 2019 to being his biggest fan in this thread. Good for you!
Nice strawman argument. Very impressive. I accurately predicted their erroneous moves last season. Then I accurately asserted it wasn't all on Dorsey - Mr. Jimmy is a meddling owner.
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The Browns have not done what Atlanta did and stated that they are definitely not going to resign certain players with Schobert yet. I believe all they said was that they were going to let him test the market out. They already missed their chance to sign him to a less lucrative deal a year or so ago, so I don't necessarily think that it's a bad thing to let him see what he can get. He may listen to offers and see that no one is going to pay him 15+ million per year. The Browns would then know what the market is dictating. I wouldn't be surprised if they put a transition tag on him just to have the opportunity to match. Every team has to make tough decisions.
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Dorsey was the leadership. This team was the sum of his decisions. When you say no chance you mean the poor guy didn't inherit any reasonable draft volumes inclusive of a #1 overall pick or any money to spend. Yeah, that poor guy never had 1 chance. And when 2 of his ideas for LT end up in jail/prison - we're gonna still need a LT. And, like you say if a guy can play in a Pro Bowl and lead the league in tackles - you have to get rid of that productivity if his name isn't Ray Lewis. 3 openings at LBer are better than 2 openings especially if you're worried about overpaying guys via FA. It feels like we have more openings going into 2020 than we had going into 2019.
Zombo had the best take on how we could have re-signed/extended Schobert for way less cake than the open market of FA. He even pointed out the guy isn't the greatest of all time while he expressed disappointment we've thrown away time wasted in developing the guy for another team to get him at his best football.
So where are we? You've gone from being Dorsey's biggest critic throughout 2019 to being his biggest fan in this thread. Good for you!
Nice strawman argument. Very impressive. I accurately predicted their erroneous moves last season. Then I accurately asserted it wasn't all on Dorsey - Mr. Jimmy is a meddling owner.
Nice strawman argument. Very impressive. I accurately predicted their erroneous moves last season. Then I accurately asserted it wasn't all on Dorsey - Mr. Jimmy is a meddling owner.
? Who's kidding who? You had 1 public panic attack after another about Dorsey but now you're his biggest fan today.
Colin Cowherd would be so proud...
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Nice strawman argument. Very impressive. I accurately predicted their erroneous moves last season. Then I accurately asserted it wasn't all on Dorsey - Mr. Jimmy is a meddling owner.
? Who's kidding who? You had 1 public panic attack after another about Dorsey but now you're his biggest fan today.
Colin Cowherd would be so proud...
? Who's kidding who? You had 1 public panic attack after another about Dorsey but now you're his biggest fan today.
Colin Cowherd would be so proud...
Strawman singing in the dead of night....
Take these broken wings and learn to fly
All your life
You were only waiting for this moment to ariseStrawman singing in the dead of night
Take these sunken eyes and learn to see
All your life
You were only waiting for this moment to be freeStrawman fly, strawman fly
Into the light of a dark black nightStrawman fly, strawman fly
Into the light of a dark black nightStrawman singing in the dead of night… -
I'm not sure, but the "leadership" ended up 6-10? Dorsey had no chance.
Dorsey was the leadership. This team was the sum of his decisions. When you say no chance you mean the poor guy didn't inherit any reasonable draft volumes inclusive of a #1 overall pick or any money to spend. Yeah, that poor guy never had 1 chance. And when 2 of his ideas for LT end up in jail/prison - we're gonna still need a LT. And, like you say if a guy can play in a Pro Bowl and lead the league in tackles - you have to get rid of that productivity if his name isn't Ray Lewis. 3 openings at LBer are better than 2 openings especially if you're worried about overpaying guys via FA. It feels like we have more openings going into 2020 than we had going into 2019.
Zombo had the best take on how we could have re-signed/extended Schobert for way less cake than the open market of FA. He even pointed out the guy isn't the greatest of all time while he expressed disappointment we've thrown away time wasted in developing the guy for another team to get him at his best football.
So where are we? You've gone from being Dorsey's biggest critic throughout 2019 to being his biggest fan in this thread. Good for you!
Dorsey was the leadership. This team was the sum of his decisions. When you say no chance you mean the poor guy didn't inherit any reasonable draft volumes inclusive of a #1 overall pick or any money to spend. Yeah, that poor guy never had 1 chance. And when 2 of his ideas for LT end up in jail/prison - we're gonna still need a LT. And, like you say if a guy can play in a Pro Bowl and lead the league in tackles - you have to get rid of that productivity if his name isn't Ray Lewis. 3 openings at LBer are better than 2 openings especially if you're worried about overpaying guys via FA. It feels like we have more openings going into 2020 than we had going into 2019.
Zombo had the best take on how we could have re-signed/extended Schobert for way less cake than the open market of FA. He even pointed out the guy isn't the greatest of all time while he expressed disappointment we've thrown away time wasted in developing the guy for another team to get him at his best football.
So where are we? You've gone from being Dorsey's biggest critic throughout 2019 to being his biggest fan in this thread. Good for you!
Strawman singing in the dead of night...........
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Dorsey was the leadership. This team was the sum of his decisions. When you say no chance you mean the poor guy didn't inherit any reasonable draft volumes inclusive of a #1 overall pick or any money to spend. Yeah, that poor guy never had 1 chance. And when 2 of his ideas for LT end up in jail/prison - we're gonna still need a LT. And, like you say if a guy can play in a Pro Bowl and lead the league in tackles - you have to get rid of that productivity if his name isn't Ray Lewis. 3 openings at LBer are better than 2 openings especially if you're worried about overpaying guys via FA. It feels like we have more openings going into 2020 than we had going into 2019.
Zombo had the best take on how we could have re-signed/extended Schobert for way less cake than the open market of FA. He even pointed out the guy isn't the greatest of all time while he expressed disappointment we've thrown away time wasted in developing the guy for another team to get him at his best football.
So where are we? You've gone from being Dorsey's biggest critic throughout 2019 to being his biggest fan in this thread. Good for you!
Strawman singing in the dead of night...........
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Shobert is a good pass coverage MLB. (kinda' rare) He's a good team mate. A good character guy. Makes a ton of tackles and is on the field almost every play. Hardly ever gets hurt and misses time. He's a smart player although not the strongest guy on the field. If he's being blocked, then he's blocked...but he usually uses his smarts not to BE blocked.
I wish we could keep him. Especially because if we lose him then we'll need to play a safety more often on passing downs.....and we're thin in that area too.
When a team has plenty of holes to fill, it sucks when you have to let guys walk and thus create more holes.
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I'll just say that Schobert is better than the rest of the LBs we have at the moment and we don't have an amazing group.
He has all the traits I want in a defensive leader though he's not an explosive player and neither a difference maker. Anyway, he has made a difference being a key player in our defense in some games with INTs, fumble recoveries etc.
One thought that goes through my mind just to stay optimistic is that they want him to check the market, then come back and match the best bidder. I just hope so.
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I'll just say that Schobert is better than the rest of the LBs we have at the moment and we don't have an amazing group.
He has all the traits I want in a defensive leader though he's not an explosive player and neither a difference maker. Anyway, he has made a difference being a key player in our defense in some games with INTs, fumble recoveries etc.
One thought that goes through my mind just to stay optimistic is that they want him to check the market, then come back and match the best bidder. I just hope so.
I'll just say that Schobert is better than the rest of the LBs we have at the moment and we don't have an amazing group.
I guess the art of the backhanded compliment is universal...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
A book. They made a movie about too. It’s about a creepy clown.
The new "IT" was awful compared to the original.
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Because he doesn't have Haloti Ngata in front of him and Ed Reed/Rod Woodson behind him to deserve what today's market will pay him to play for an organization that did NOT develop him . We're too poor but the Rats had a Superbowl lineup they never had any cap issues with.
Most teams win SBs without cap issues... The cap issues come after the win and everyone wants to get paid.
I don't think Haloti and Ed would make Joe the 2nd-coming of RayRay.
most bears boards say Nick K-whack-ski ain't going anywhere.. the older Danny Trevathan will be the LB hitting the highway.. looks like Danny T, did not play with Woods at Denver either..
I can't see Queen or Kenneth Murray getting to #41 so I checked out your Mocked guy finalist Willie Gay jr... He had a clean combine & his few tapes looks good against the run...Till i got to the RED Flags... A Did you know? Willie 'ain't' Gay jr.--- whackmoled his starting QB in the Jaw breaking his Orbital Bone... ??Yikes!! ?
Gay is a project... a gifted project to be sure, but a project. As such he already belongs on Day 3, IMO... flags just rush him a little further into that Day.
I haven't looked at them very hard as yet, but as of now I see at least one of Queen and Murray making it to #41... and neither one being worth the pick.
Yeah, Dorsey fumbled it, but cmon bro, get it done and keep him. He's worth it.
Again I have to ask a poster... What is "it"?
Again I have to ask a poster... What is "it"?
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
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Again I have to ask a poster... What is "it"?
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
Fair statement, as, with NFL defenders, you can't really just boil it down to this:
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Again I have to ask a poster... What is "it"?
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
I get the intangibles argument... but that was not what I was asking.
In the contextof someone (you) saying, "He is worth it," the "it" is how much...
So how much are you willing to pay Joe?
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For the longest time old, Stevie King's stuff did not translate to the screen worth a damn, but lately it has.
I've been hooked on HBO's The Outsider for weeks now... one week to go.
AND just found out this Sunday will only be the end of season 1... I did not see that coming.
I don't know..... his horror stories were pretty good horror stories. Christine, Cujo, etc. He nailed the nightmare we are going through now in The Dead Zone. The Shining? Stand By Me. Carrie. Children of the Corn. Misery. Firestarter. Horror movies are not my thing....but his stuff have been made into some of the best.
Shawshank. The Green Mile. Great movies.
Miniseries: The Stand, November 22, 1963; The Langoliers. Under the Dome.
They are remaking The Stand I hear. Just in time for the Corona Virus.
I don't know.....
Are you sure?
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I don't know.....
Are you sure?
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I'll just say that Schobert is better than the rest of the LBs we have at the moment and we don't have an amazing group.
He has all the traits I want in a defensive leader though he's not an explosive player and neither a difference maker. Anyway, he has made a difference being a key player in our defense in some games with INTs, fumble recoveries etc.
One thought that goes through my mind just to stay optimistic is that they want him to check the market, then come back and match the best bidder. I just hope so.
One thought that goes through my mind just to stay optimistic is that they want him to check the market, then come back and match the best bidder. I just hope so.
Kind of good news on your point here. The NFL Channel listed the top 10 FAs and he isn't one of them.
Maybe it's a good thing he played through the bad hammy in 2018 so people only remember they year he missed too many tackles. Having said that, he played in a Pro Bowl in 2017 with 144 combined tackles - while some people think his best season was in 2019 with 133 combined tackles, 4 INTs and 2 forced fumbles. With this guy people are going to see what they want to see. My shattered rose colored glasses still see a walk-on at Wisconsin that was eventually developed into the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year. Wisconsin was rewarded for their patience in developing the lad.
When he arrived in Cleveland as an OLB, he didn't emerge immediately. In fact, he didn't play his best football until after Gregg Williams moved him inside. The irony of it all is Williams opted to train a rookie Safety (Peppers) by lining him up in Toronto, which means the MLB already responsible for both inside hook zones in pass coverage now has those extended far deeper than reasonable. Still did a pretty good job in coverage considering. Then, our last DC only used 2 LBers the majority of the time.
Since it's FA - we're just going to have to decide who is worth overpaying. The part I hate about it most is this franchise developed him to the point he is playing his best football meeting/exceeding the expectation; and now another team will benefit from that while Cleveland is still in search of continuity in the LBer Corps (now in need of 3 new starters). Maybe we'll find a bargain FA like Tampa did last year when they signed OLB Shaq Barrett (previously a backup in Denver) only to get 19.5 sacks from the guy. Sounds like the only thing wrong with the guy was Von Miller was the guy ahead of him on depth chart. We shall see...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
One thought that goes through my mind just to stay optimistic is that they want him to check the market, then come back and match the best bidder. I just hope so.
Kind of good news on your point here. The NFL Channel listed the top 10 FAs and he isn't one of them.
Maybe it's a good thing he played through the bad hammy in 2018 so people only remember they year he missed too many tackles. Having said that, he played in a Pro Bowl in 2017 with 144 combined tackles - while some people think his best season was in 2019 with 133 combined tackles, 4 INTs and 2 forced fumbles. With this guy people are going to see what they want to see. My shattered rose colored glasses still see a walk-on at Wisconsin that was eventually developed into the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year. Wisconsin was rewarded for their patience in developing the lad.
When he arrived in Cleveland as an OLB, he didn't emerge immediately. In fact, he didn't play his best football until after Gregg Williams moved him inside. The irony of it all is Williams opted to train a rookie Safety (Peppers) by lining him up in Toronto, which means the MLB already responsible for both inside hook zones in pass coverage now has those extended far deeper than reasonable. Still did a pretty good job in coverage considering. Then, our last DC only used 2 LBers the majority of the time.
Since it's FA - we're just going to have to decide who is worth overpaying. The part I hate about it most is this franchise developed him to the point he is playing his best football meeting/exceeding the expectation; and now another team will benefit from that while Cleveland is still in search of continuity in the LBer Corps (now in need of 3 new starters). Maybe we'll find a bargain FA like Tampa did last year when they signed OLB Shaq Barrett (previously a backup in Denver) only to get 19.5 sacks from the guy. Sounds like the only thing wrong with the guy was Von Miller was the guy ahead of him on depth chart. We shall see...
The part I hate about it most is this franchise developed him to the point he is playing his best football meeting/exceeding the expectation; and now another team will benefit from that while Cleveland is still in search of continuity in the LBer Corps (now in need of 3 new starters). Maybe we'll find a bargain FA like Tampa did last year when they signed OLB Shaq Barrett (previously a backup in Denver) only to get 19.5 sacks from the guy. Sounds like the only thing wrong with the guy was Von Miller was the guy ahead of him on depth chart. We shall see...
Right....we talk about the need to find gems in the lower rounds and develop them into players.....yet, seem to dump them as soon as or before they reach that goal of being difference makers.....
Then you look at our depth at LB, right now, which is non existent.......and wonder where we land w/o Schob & Kirksey.
They can sign 2 FA backers and still end up with less depth than a year ago.
I know we cant pay too much to keep them, but feel more effort should have been made to retain these players that we drafted and then developed......
Schobert may not be a run stopping-hole plugging beast......but he is a solid tackler and great coverage guy......and it is a passing league....I look forward to us overpaying a pittbull to plug those holes, only to watch us get picked apart over the middle and in the short passing game......
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A book. They made a movie about too. It’s about a creepy clown.
The new "IT" was awful compared to the original.
The new "IT" was awful compared to the original.
No, no, no, no, and no.
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