Browns to let Schobert walk
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Because he doesn't have Haloti Ngata in front of him and Ed Reed/Rod Woodson behind him to deserve what today's market will pay him to play for an organization that did NOT develop him . We're too poor but the Rats had a Superbowl lineup they never had any cap issues with.
Most teams win SBs without cap issues... The cap issues come after the win and everyone wants to get paid.
I don't think Haloti and Ed would make Joe the 2nd-coming of RayRay.
most bears boards say Nick K-whack-ski ain't going anywhere.. the older Danny Trevathan will be the LB hitting the highway.. looks like Danny T, did not play with Woods at Denver either..
I can't see Queen or Kenneth Murray getting to #41 so I checked out your Mocked guy finalist Willie Gay jr... He had a clean combine & his few tapes looks good against the run...Till i got to the RED Flags... A Did you know? Willie 'ain't' Gay jr.--- whackmoled his starting QB in the Jaw breaking his Orbital Bone... ??Yikes!! ?
Gay is a project... a gifted project to be sure, but a project. As such he already belongs on Day 3, IMO... flags just rush him a little further into that Day.
I haven't looked at them very hard as yet, but as of now I see at least one of Queen and Murray making it to #41... and neither one being worth the pick.
Yeah, Dorsey fumbled it, but cmon bro, get it done and keep him. He's worth it.
Again I have to ask a poster... What is "it"?
Again I have to ask a poster... What is "it"?
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
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Again I have to ask a poster... What is "it"?
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
Fair statement, as, with NFL defenders, you can't really just boil it down to this:
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Again I have to ask a poster... What is "it"?
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
He's a leader, he loves Cleveland, he works hard, wants to be here, makes players like Mack Wilson better and pushes them, and can't be replaced in the draft.
The "It" factor is that he's a probowler when he's healthy and good.
I'm all for analytics, but we aren't winning any games with no safeties or linebackers next year.
I'm just hoping we don't continue to not resign veteran players and not replace them, or replace them with practice squad level players.
I get the intangibles argument... but that was not what I was asking.
In the contextof someone (you) saying, "He is worth it," the "it" is how much...
So how much are you willing to pay Joe?
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For the longest time old, Stevie King's stuff did not translate to the screen worth a damn, but lately it has.
I've been hooked on HBO's The Outsider for weeks now... one week to go.
AND just found out this Sunday will only be the end of season 1... I did not see that coming.
I don't know..... his horror stories were pretty good horror stories. Christine, Cujo, etc. He nailed the nightmare we are going through now in The Dead Zone. The Shining? Stand By Me. Carrie. Children of the Corn. Misery. Firestarter. Horror movies are not my thing....but his stuff have been made into some of the best.
Shawshank. The Green Mile. Great movies.
Miniseries: The Stand, November 22, 1963; The Langoliers. Under the Dome.
They are remaking The Stand I hear. Just in time for the Corona Virus.
I don't know.....
Are you sure?
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I don't know.....
Are you sure?
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I'll just say that Schobert is better than the rest of the LBs we have at the moment and we don't have an amazing group.
He has all the traits I want in a defensive leader though he's not an explosive player and neither a difference maker. Anyway, he has made a difference being a key player in our defense in some games with INTs, fumble recoveries etc.
One thought that goes through my mind just to stay optimistic is that they want him to check the market, then come back and match the best bidder. I just hope so.
One thought that goes through my mind just to stay optimistic is that they want him to check the market, then come back and match the best bidder. I just hope so.
Kind of good news on your point here. The NFL Channel listed the top 10 FAs and he isn't one of them.
Maybe it's a good thing he played through the bad hammy in 2018 so people only remember they year he missed too many tackles. Having said that, he played in a Pro Bowl in 2017 with 144 combined tackles - while some people think his best season was in 2019 with 133 combined tackles, 4 INTs and 2 forced fumbles. With this guy people are going to see what they want to see. My shattered rose colored glasses still see a walk-on at Wisconsin that was eventually developed into the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year. Wisconsin was rewarded for their patience in developing the lad.
When he arrived in Cleveland as an OLB, he didn't emerge immediately. In fact, he didn't play his best football until after Gregg Williams moved him inside. The irony of it all is Williams opted to train a rookie Safety (Peppers) by lining him up in Toronto, which means the MLB already responsible for both inside hook zones in pass coverage now has those extended far deeper than reasonable. Still did a pretty good job in coverage considering. Then, our last DC only used 2 LBers the majority of the time.
Since it's FA - we're just going to have to decide who is worth overpaying. The part I hate about it most is this franchise developed him to the point he is playing his best football meeting/exceeding the expectation; and now another team will benefit from that while Cleveland is still in search of continuity in the LBer Corps (now in need of 3 new starters). Maybe we'll find a bargain FA like Tampa did last year when they signed OLB Shaq Barrett (previously a backup in Denver) only to get 19.5 sacks from the guy. Sounds like the only thing wrong with the guy was Von Miller was the guy ahead of him on depth chart. We shall see...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
One thought that goes through my mind just to stay optimistic is that they want him to check the market, then come back and match the best bidder. I just hope so.
Kind of good news on your point here. The NFL Channel listed the top 10 FAs and he isn't one of them.
Maybe it's a good thing he played through the bad hammy in 2018 so people only remember they year he missed too many tackles. Having said that, he played in a Pro Bowl in 2017 with 144 combined tackles - while some people think his best season was in 2019 with 133 combined tackles, 4 INTs and 2 forced fumbles. With this guy people are going to see what they want to see. My shattered rose colored glasses still see a walk-on at Wisconsin that was eventually developed into the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year. Wisconsin was rewarded for their patience in developing the lad.
When he arrived in Cleveland as an OLB, he didn't emerge immediately. In fact, he didn't play his best football until after Gregg Williams moved him inside. The irony of it all is Williams opted to train a rookie Safety (Peppers) by lining him up in Toronto, which means the MLB already responsible for both inside hook zones in pass coverage now has those extended far deeper than reasonable. Still did a pretty good job in coverage considering. Then, our last DC only used 2 LBers the majority of the time.
Since it's FA - we're just going to have to decide who is worth overpaying. The part I hate about it most is this franchise developed him to the point he is playing his best football meeting/exceeding the expectation; and now another team will benefit from that while Cleveland is still in search of continuity in the LBer Corps (now in need of 3 new starters). Maybe we'll find a bargain FA like Tampa did last year when they signed OLB Shaq Barrett (previously a backup in Denver) only to get 19.5 sacks from the guy. Sounds like the only thing wrong with the guy was Von Miller was the guy ahead of him on depth chart. We shall see...
The part I hate about it most is this franchise developed him to the point he is playing his best football meeting/exceeding the expectation; and now another team will benefit from that while Cleveland is still in search of continuity in the LBer Corps (now in need of 3 new starters). Maybe we'll find a bargain FA like Tampa did last year when they signed OLB Shaq Barrett (previously a backup in Denver) only to get 19.5 sacks from the guy. Sounds like the only thing wrong with the guy was Von Miller was the guy ahead of him on depth chart. We shall see...
Right....we talk about the need to find gems in the lower rounds and develop them into players.....yet, seem to dump them as soon as or before they reach that goal of being difference makers.....
Then you look at our depth at LB, right now, which is non existent.......and wonder where we land w/o Schob & Kirksey.
They can sign 2 FA backers and still end up with less depth than a year ago.
I know we cant pay too much to keep them, but feel more effort should have been made to retain these players that we drafted and then developed......
Schobert may not be a run stopping-hole plugging beast......but he is a solid tackler and great coverage guy......and it is a passing league....I look forward to us overpaying a pittbull to plug those holes, only to watch us get picked apart over the middle and in the short passing game......
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A book. They made a movie about too. It’s about a creepy clown.
The new "IT" was awful compared to the original.
The new "IT" was awful compared to the original.
No, no, no, no, and no.
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One thought that goes through my mind just to stay optimistic is that they want him to check the market, then come back and match the best bidder. I just hope so.
Kind of good news on your point here. The NFL Channel listed the top 10 FAs and he isn't one of them.
Maybe it's a good thing he played through the bad hammy in 2018 so people only remember they year he missed too many tackles. Having said that, he played in a Pro Bowl in 2017 with 144 combined tackles - while some people think his best season was in 2019 with 133 combined tackles, 4 INTs and 2 forced fumbles. With this guy people are going to see what they want to see. My shattered rose colored glasses still see a walk-on at Wisconsin that was eventually developed into the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year. Wisconsin was rewarded for their patience in developing the lad.
When he arrived in Cleveland as an OLB, he didn't emerge immediately. In fact, he didn't play his best football until after Gregg Williams moved him inside. The irony of it all is Williams opted to train a rookie Safety (Peppers) by lining him up in Toronto, which means the MLB already responsible for both inside hook zones in pass coverage now has those extended far deeper than reasonable. Still did a pretty good job in coverage considering. Then, our last DC only used 2 LBers the majority of the time.
Since it's FA - we're just going to have to decide who is worth overpaying. The part I hate about it most is this franchise developed him to the point he is playing his best football meeting/exceeding the expectation; and now another team will benefit from that while Cleveland is still in search of continuity in the LBer Corps (now in need of 3 new starters). Maybe we'll find a bargain FA like Tampa did last year when they signed OLB Shaq Barrett (previously a backup in Denver) only to get 19.5 sacks from the guy. Sounds like the only thing wrong with the guy was Von Miller was the guy ahead of him on depth chart. We shall see...
Maybe it's a good thing he played through the bad hammy in 2018 so people only remember they year he missed too many tackles.
In fact, he didn't play his best football until after Gregg Williams moved him inside.
For me it's the lack of negative yardage tackles... of "tone-setting" hits. Those are what set the top ILBs apart from the "good ones".
Joe was lost outside in Horton's 3-4. Much due to defensive design which put him in read-react mode, but also due to the weight he was carrying to set the edge. Trimmed down in Williams' 4-3 base he played much faster. Add Williams' aggressive approach and our Joe was born.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The new "IT" was awful compared to the original.
No, no, no, no, and no.
No, no, no, no, and no.
Too much mediocre CGI, weak storyline, and even weaker characters. The characters in the first movie were amazing.
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The part I hate about it most is this franchise developed him to the point he is playing his best football meeting/exceeding the expectation; and now another team will benefit from that while Cleveland is still in search of continuity in the LBer Corps (now in need of 3 new starters). Maybe we'll find a bargain FA like Tampa did last year when they signed OLB Shaq Barrett (previously a backup in Denver) only to get 19.5 sacks from the guy. Sounds like the only thing wrong with the guy was Von Miller was the guy ahead of him on depth chart. We shall see...
Right....we talk about the need to find gems in the lower rounds and develop them into players.....yet, seem to dump them as soon as or before they reach that goal of being difference makers.....
Then you look at our depth at LB, right now, which is non existent.......and wonder where we land w/o Schob & Kirksey.
They can sign 2 FA backers and still end up with less depth than a year ago.
I know we cant pay too much to keep them, but feel more effort should have been made to retain these players that we drafted and then developed......
Schobert may not be a run stopping-hole plugging beast......but he is a solid tackler and great coverage guy......and it is a passing league....I look forward to us overpaying a pittbull to plug those holes, only to watch us get picked apart over the middle and in the short passing game......
Right....we talk about the need to find gems in the lower rounds and develop them into players.....yet, seem to dump them as soon as or before they reach that goal of being difference makers.....
Then you look at our depth at LB, right now, which is non existent.......and wonder where we land w/o Schob & Kirksey.
They can sign 2 FA backers and still end up with less depth than a year ago.
I know we cant pay too much to keep them, but feel more effort should have been made to retain these players that we drafted and then developed......
Schobert may not be a run stopping-hole plugging beast......but he is a solid tackler and great coverage guy......and it is a passing league....I look forward to us overpaying a pittbull to plug those holes, only to watch us get picked apart over the middle and in the short passing game......
hey mud...hope you are doing well....my take on our lbs are like those att commercials....just ok is not ok......poor kirksey...too many injuries...he probably won't be in the nfl too much longer...i would not want him...he's a walking liability...shob...ehhh....i like that wilson kid...seems quick...made some nice plays...i also saw him get the shit knocked out of him though plenty of times...what is his size?....might have to put on some weight....i think he's going to be a good player...anyway...man we are so far from being an ok team...and just ok is not ok....long road ahead...
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No, no, no, no, and no.
Too much mediocre CGI, weak storyline, and even weaker characters. The characters in the first movie were amazing.
Too much mediocre CGI, weak storyline, and even weaker characters. The characters in the first movie were amazing.
The acting, especially by the adults, was atrocious in the TV miniseries.
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The new IT isn’t bad. The sequel to the remake is mediocre. I think the guy they had play Pennywise was a good choice and a strength of the film
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The new IT isn’t bad. The sequel to the remake is mediocre. I think the guy they had play Pennywise was a good choice and a strength of the film
The new IT isn’t bad. The sequel to the remake is mediocre. I think the guy they had play Pennywise was a good choice and a strength of the film
The Tim Curry miniseries doesn't exactly hold up. (Tim Curry is good though) Comes off hokey.
The first It movie (2017) was great.
The second It movie (2019) was decent. I don't blame the director or screenwriters for it not equaling the 2017 first part, the truth of the matter is while the book It was a really entertaining book, the ending is kind of 'meh'... the new movie couldn't fix that.
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