The GOAT is Leaving New England... And Going to Tampa
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OK, I will clarify it for you: Teams from the Greater Cleveland area, Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships.
Maybe, apparently you did not comprehend that. But that is what I was talking about.
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended (by you) was that no one cares.
You will never comprehend why no one cares will you? LOL
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended was that no one cares.
Or that they seized the opportunity to ridicule...
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That something would go over your head is not unsurprising. The point is that if I say something is black, you will say it is white, but if I say it is white, you will say it is black. So, instead of having your cake and eating it too, or eating your cake and having it too, (which is how they caught the Unabomber), why don't you just eat me, Alice.
Oh well.... we had a good 24 hours there...
So now back to the wars..
What an ass... completely incapable of self-examination...
And as I've said before, you would never talk that way to my face.
Oh well.... we had a good 24 hours there...
So now back to the wars..
What an ass... completely incapable of self-examination...
And as I've said before, you would never talk that way to my face.
Neither would you to mine. And you are probably right. I would want to talk football, just like I do here. But all I get in response is passive-aggressive condescension.
So, maybe you can do some self examination and work on THAT.
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The disconnect is this: what you don't get is that if he played today, Gene Hickerson would receive the same training, nutrition, etc. that today's players do. He probably WOULD have weighed 300 LBs.
Lol...which at 300lbs. would still make him the smallest guard in the NFL.
But to your point...humbug. Nutrition, training, supplements, all that shit is only there to help fine tune todays athlete who already possess the God given size, speed, and talent far superior to the old timers. Lebron James didn't happen because of nutrition but because of genetics. He probably grew up eating Swensons fast food burgers down there in Akron. Its genetics man.
You're not gonna tell me that nutrition would have turned Hickerson into the guy on the right.
Hall of Famer Wilbur “Pete” Henry, aka “Fats,” was one of the NFL’s largest and most dominant linemen in the 1920s at 5 feet 11 inches and 245 pounds, but would be dwarfed by present-day players such as 6 foot 5 inch, 330-pound Oakland guard Kelechi Osemele. (Pro Football Hall of Fame) (AP Photo/Paul Spinelli)
Lol...which at 300lbs. would still make him the smallest guard in the NFL.
But to your point...humbug. Nutrition, training, supplements, all that shit is only there to help fine tune todays athlete who already possess the God given size, speed, and talent far superior to the old timers. Lebron James didn't happen because of nutrition but because of genetics. He probably grew up eating Swensons fast food burgers down there in Akron. Its genetics man.
You're not gonna tell me that nutrition would have turned Hickerson into the guy on the right.
Hall of Famer Wilbur “Pete” Henry, aka “Fats,” was one of the NFL’s largest and most dominant linemen in the 1920s at 5 feet 11 inches and 245 pounds, but would be dwarfed by present-day players such as 6 foot 5 inch, 330-pound Oakland guard Kelechi Osemele. (Pro Football Hall of Fame) (AP Photo/Paul Spinelli)
So? You are saying it is pure evolutionary genetics? Or do you think it is eugenics....which is something I think you probably would be in favor of.
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In the history of RBs, Kareem Hunt has no equals. Pay the man.
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OK, I will clarify it for you: Teams from the Greater Cleveland area, Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships.
Maybe, apparently you did not comprehend that. But that is what I was talking about.
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended (by you) was that no one cares.
You will never comprehend why no one cares will you? LOL
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended (by you) was that no one cares.
You will never comprehend why no one cares will you? LOL
I comprehend it fully.....It is called intellectual laziness and narcissism. You only care about what may have affected you. Or in another word: PittsburghSteelerese. "Nothing ever happened before I was conscious enough to remember it"
It does not change the facts, or the truth....whether you care about it or not. Like I said to you before in some of this: To some here, Bernie Kosar and Brian Sipe, and those titles won by the Steelers back in the 70s are as much ancient history as maybe Otto Graham, or Fritz Pollard are to the rest of us. Don't mean they didn't exist.
And I don't know if have been around here long enough to recall this mantra I had repeated often: " The ONLY Championships that matter are the last one and the next one. The rest are all just history, from the 1920 Akron Pros, to the 2018 New England Patriots. No difference at all between them. They are just now entries in a history tome.
So, I mean, my point is: I care as much about the one (1920) as I do the other (2018). That one happened during my particular conscious existence is neither here nor there in the scheme of things.
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Or that they seized the opportunity to ridicule...
It's Super Bowl envy. "Oh yeah, but we won 4 AAFC shit Titles plus 4 NFL Titles, plus some other football related shit, so there!"
I just appreciate the fact that such rubbish is not the mindset of normal Browns fans.
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In the history of RBs, Kareem Hunt has no equals. Pay the man.
In the history of RBs, Kareem Hunt has no equals. Pay the man.
How much are they paying him? I mean, he has had only 8 games with the team. They may think it premature to give him a big dollar contract. Maybe they are in wait and see mode on doing that.
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In the history of RBs, Kareem Hunt has no equals. Pay the man.
How much are they paying him? I mean, he has had only 8 games with the team. They may think it premature to give him a big dollar contract. Maybe they are in wait and see mode on doing that.
How much are they paying him? I mean, he has had only 8 games with the team. They may think it premature to give him a big dollar contract. Maybe they are in wait and see mode on doing that.
No money amount is too much for Kareem Hunt.
He is Jesus Christ of RBs, without the hand injuries. If the football field was made of water, Kareem Hunt could part it. Or walk on it.
Payeth the man.
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It's Super Bowl envy. "Oh yeah, but we won 4 AAFC shit Titles plus 4 NFL Titles, plus some other football related shit, so there!"
I just appreciate the fact that such rubbish is not the mindset of todays Browns fan.
Except, as you can tell what I have said, winning a Super Bowl to me is nothing more, nothing less than having won a pre-SB era title.
I do want my team to win a championship....and don't care what they call it. Unlike you probably, I HAVE seen the Browns win a Championship. To me that is every bit as valuable, having won it in 1964 than if they won it in 1966-67-68 ..whatever when they started calling championship Super Bowls.
I mean, the game today is vastly, vastly different today than when the first Super Bowls were played. Lots of new teams (and I am not talking about the AFL teams that existed at the time. I mean teams like the Bengals, the Dolphins, The Buc, Jags, Falcons, Panthers, Ravens, Texans, Saints, Seahawks... all new since the onset of "The Super Bowl Era".
If you don't care about the titles that have been won....why should you care any at all about any titles that may be won in the future. That is the way I see it.
I mean, I care that America/the United States won the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican War....the Civil War (yes..it was "America" that won the Civil War..not the other side of that war), the Spanish-American War; World War I, and WWII. All before I was born. And I care that the Browns...and other NEOhio teams won what they did all before I was conscious to remember them.
I mean, to be honest with you...America's track record at winning wars since WWII may be as bad as the Browns track record of winning championships after 1964. Korea....pretty much a stalemate. Vietnam....can anyone argue that we did not lose that war? First Gulf War? OK, we probably go that one....but it led up to the Afghanistan/Iraq Wars, War on Terror. Can you claim truthfully that those are being "won".
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I bet there wasn't a player on that Steeler team over 275 lbs.
I used to play a PC game named NFL Head Coach. During breaks when it was loading a different segment of the game it used images including quotes from the great HCs of the past.
One fav of mine was Chuck Nolls'...
"Some coaches pray for wisdom. I pray for 275-pound Tackles. They'll make me seem wise."
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You staked that claim.
Defend it.
Don't have to. My opinion is Tom is the greatest. The end.
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I can see how Gipper became successful in a law related career. Always trying to find excuses and arguments beyond a reasonable point, throwing water and mudding the field for the fight if needed... Because that is what it feels like, not a discussion, a fight. A war of constant siege. He will dedicate hours to counter attack the most miserable point and will never concede that he was wrong, but he wants you to do that with him.
It must be tiring always being right.
I don't have the time.
In my opinion, Tom Brady is the greatest of all time.
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Oh well.... we had a good 24 hours there...
So now back to the wars..
What an ass... completely incapable of self-examination...
And as I've said before, you would never talk that way to my face.
Neither would you to mine. And you are probably right. I would want to talk football, just like I do here. But all I get in response is passive-aggressive condescension.
So, maybe you can do some self examination and work on THAT.
Neither would you to mine. And you are probably right. I would want to talk football, just like I do here. But all I get in response is passive-aggressive condescension.
So, maybe you can do some self examination and work on THAT.
Be careful what you ask for... lil Gippie...
As I've said before...
You don't know enough about the subject matter to talk football. It's at the heart of the gross insecurity you display here day after day after day....
It's part of why you argue incessantly about crap... about nothing... about opinions. Here's a challenge for you... find me a single, opinion-based argument you've ever had here when you ended up where anyone came around to your view. Just one... I've never seen one... not with a Browns fan... a Steelers fan... anyone.
Add in the lawyering Nero cites and you have the toxic Gipper cocktail that we endure here day after day after...
I honestly thought you'd made some kind of personal breakthrough when you allowed me my opinion in your post before I threw up the Louie clip. I even ignored this bit and its laughable pretzel logic...
AGain.....it is a matter of recency bias that to your mind makes your opinion correct. Which means that you are not necessarily wrong, but you cannot by any objective measure prove you are right. The only objective measure is the record, and Otto wins there....in my opinion.
You don't even allow for your "objective measure" to be a product of your opinion as well as Otto's status. Put another way your proof is a figment of your imagination.
Well here is my opinion... of all the means of evaluating a QB, his record is the worst.
Then I had the audacity to ask two questions to try to build on the breakthrough. I guess this 2nd one was one too many...
Gip, you harp on "recency bias" in others. Aren't you practicing "relativity bias"? Totally appropriate for eras... not so much for "all-time".
But lesson learned.. no more outreach...
As I said before the all too brief cease fire... you're a post whore dealing in quantity since you can offer no quality. Part of your dealing requires you not taking a minute to consider a post before replying to it. So you react to:
- my 2nd question...
- a misguided challenge to a comment our new return man is "Icecube sized"...
- and way too many more to enumerate.
Hell your misreads and misstatements were the fodder for all my comments leading up to the cease-fire... and now they will be again.
Still too passive for your taste?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Frankly I can't see it. Oh well. I couldn't see Joe Namath playing for the Rams either.
WSS
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Frankly I can't see it. Oh well. I couldn't see Joe Namath playing for the Rams either.
WSS
Frankly I can't see it. Oh well. I couldn't see Joe Namath playing for the Rams either.
WSS
lol ..I don't think Joe did either. He thought he'd give it a shot. Lasted a year.
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Frankly I can't see it. Oh well. I couldn't see Joe Namath playing for the Rams either.
WSS
lol ..I don't think Joe did either. He thought he'd give it a shot. Lasted a year.
lol ..I don't think Joe did either. He thought he'd give it a shot. Lasted a year.
Not even. I went to the game on my birthday so I could say I saw Joe play. ? He was either hurt or benched head Pat Haden started the game what November 27th a number that was higher than the degrees outside. Browns quarterback was dr. Dave Mays who threw for zero touchdowns and the Rams won 3 field goals to zip.
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I remember Jim Brown wanting to make a comeback at 47, but for only one reason. Never was there a player who felt so threatened, so consumed with the likelihood of another running back breaking his record. That bothered the fuck out of him so much as to ask Al Davis if he could suit up in a Raiders uniform. The player creeping up on JB's record was Franco Harrison.
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I remember Jim Brown wanting to make a comeback at 47, but for only one reason. Never was there a player who felt so threatened, so consumed with the likelihood of another running back breaking his record. That bothered the fuck out of him so much as to ask Al Davis if he could suit up in a Raiders uniform. The player creeping up on JB's record was Franco Harrison.
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