The GOAT is Leaving New England... And Going to Tampa
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OK, I will clarify it for you: Teams from the Greater Cleveland area, Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships.
Maybe, apparently you did not comprehend that. But that is what I was talking about.
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended (by you) was that no one cares.
You will never comprehend why no one cares will you? LOL
Um yes I comprehended that, ...what wasn't comprehended (by you) was that no one cares.
You will never comprehend why no one cares will you? LOL
I comprehend it fully.....It is called intellectual laziness and narcissism. You only care about what may have affected you. Or in another word: PittsburghSteelerese. "Nothing ever happened before I was conscious enough to remember it"
It does not change the facts, or the truth....whether you care about it or not. Like I said to you before in some of this: To some here, Bernie Kosar and Brian Sipe, and those titles won by the Steelers back in the 70s are as much ancient history as maybe Otto Graham, or Fritz Pollard are to the rest of us. Don't mean they didn't exist.
And I don't know if have been around here long enough to recall this mantra I had repeated often: " The ONLY Championships that matter are the last one and the next one. The rest are all just history, from the 1920 Akron Pros, to the 2018 New England Patriots. No difference at all between them. They are just now entries in a history tome.
So, I mean, my point is: I care as much about the one (1920) as I do the other (2018). That one happened during my particular conscious existence is neither here nor there in the scheme of things.
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Or that they seized the opportunity to ridicule...
It's Super Bowl envy. "Oh yeah, but we won 4 AAFC shit Titles plus 4 NFL Titles, plus some other football related shit, so there!"
I just appreciate the fact that such rubbish is not the mindset of normal Browns fans.
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In the history of RBs, Kareem Hunt has no equals. Pay the man.
In the history of RBs, Kareem Hunt has no equals. Pay the man.
How much are they paying him? I mean, he has had only 8 games with the team. They may think it premature to give him a big dollar contract. Maybe they are in wait and see mode on doing that.
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In the history of RBs, Kareem Hunt has no equals. Pay the man.
How much are they paying him? I mean, he has had only 8 games with the team. They may think it premature to give him a big dollar contract. Maybe they are in wait and see mode on doing that.
How much are they paying him? I mean, he has had only 8 games with the team. They may think it premature to give him a big dollar contract. Maybe they are in wait and see mode on doing that.
No money amount is too much for Kareem Hunt.
He is Jesus Christ of RBs, without the hand injuries. If the football field was made of water, Kareem Hunt could part it. Or walk on it.
Payeth the man.
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It's Super Bowl envy. "Oh yeah, but we won 4 AAFC shit Titles plus 4 NFL Titles, plus some other football related shit, so there!"
I just appreciate the fact that such rubbish is not the mindset of todays Browns fan.
Except, as you can tell what I have said, winning a Super Bowl to me is nothing more, nothing less than having won a pre-SB era title.
I do want my team to win a championship....and don't care what they call it. Unlike you probably, I HAVE seen the Browns win a Championship. To me that is every bit as valuable, having won it in 1964 than if they won it in 1966-67-68 ..whatever when they started calling championship Super Bowls.
I mean, the game today is vastly, vastly different today than when the first Super Bowls were played. Lots of new teams (and I am not talking about the AFL teams that existed at the time. I mean teams like the Bengals, the Dolphins, The Buc, Jags, Falcons, Panthers, Ravens, Texans, Saints, Seahawks... all new since the onset of "The Super Bowl Era".
If you don't care about the titles that have been won....why should you care any at all about any titles that may be won in the future. That is the way I see it.
I mean, I care that America/the United States won the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican War....the Civil War (yes..it was "America" that won the Civil War..not the other side of that war), the Spanish-American War; World War I, and WWII. All before I was born. And I care that the Browns...and other NEOhio teams won what they did all before I was conscious to remember them.
I mean, to be honest with you...America's track record at winning wars since WWII may be as bad as the Browns track record of winning championships after 1964. Korea....pretty much a stalemate. Vietnam....can anyone argue that we did not lose that war? First Gulf War? OK, we probably go that one....but it led up to the Afghanistan/Iraq Wars, War on Terror. Can you claim truthfully that those are being "won".
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I bet there wasn't a player on that Steeler team over 275 lbs.
I used to play a PC game named NFL Head Coach. During breaks when it was loading a different segment of the game it used images including quotes from the great HCs of the past.
One fav of mine was Chuck Nolls'...
"Some coaches pray for wisdom. I pray for 275-pound Tackles. They'll make me seem wise."
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You staked that claim.
Defend it.
Don't have to. My opinion is Tom is the greatest. The end.
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I can see how Gipper became successful in a law related career. Always trying to find excuses and arguments beyond a reasonable point, throwing water and mudding the field for the fight if needed... Because that is what it feels like, not a discussion, a fight. A war of constant siege. He will dedicate hours to counter attack the most miserable point and will never concede that he was wrong, but he wants you to do that with him.
It must be tiring always being right.
I don't have the time.
In my opinion, Tom Brady is the greatest of all time.
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Oh well.... we had a good 24 hours there...
So now back to the wars..
What an ass... completely incapable of self-examination...
And as I've said before, you would never talk that way to my face.
Neither would you to mine. And you are probably right. I would want to talk football, just like I do here. But all I get in response is passive-aggressive condescension.
So, maybe you can do some self examination and work on THAT.
Neither would you to mine. And you are probably right. I would want to talk football, just like I do here. But all I get in response is passive-aggressive condescension.
So, maybe you can do some self examination and work on THAT.
Be careful what you ask for... lil Gippie...
As I've said before...
You don't know enough about the subject matter to talk football. It's at the heart of the gross insecurity you display here day after day after day....
It's part of why you argue incessantly about crap... about nothing... about opinions. Here's a challenge for you... find me a single, opinion-based argument you've ever had here when you ended up where anyone came around to your view. Just one... I've never seen one... not with a Browns fan... a Steelers fan... anyone.
Add in the lawyering Nero cites and you have the toxic Gipper cocktail that we endure here day after day after...
I honestly thought you'd made some kind of personal breakthrough when you allowed me my opinion in your post before I threw up the Louie clip. I even ignored this bit and its laughable pretzel logic...
AGain.....it is a matter of recency bias that to your mind makes your opinion correct. Which means that you are not necessarily wrong, but you cannot by any objective measure prove you are right. The only objective measure is the record, and Otto wins there....in my opinion.
You don't even allow for your "objective measure" to be a product of your opinion as well as Otto's status. Put another way your proof is a figment of your imagination.
Well here is my opinion... of all the means of evaluating a QB, his record is the worst.
Then I had the audacity to ask two questions to try to build on the breakthrough. I guess this 2nd one was one too many...
Gip, you harp on "recency bias" in others. Aren't you practicing "relativity bias"? Totally appropriate for eras... not so much for "all-time".
But lesson learned.. no more outreach...
As I said before the all too brief cease fire... you're a post whore dealing in quantity since you can offer no quality. Part of your dealing requires you not taking a minute to consider a post before replying to it. So you react to:
- my 2nd question...
- a misguided challenge to a comment our new return man is "Icecube sized"...
- and way too many more to enumerate.
Hell your misreads and misstatements were the fodder for all my comments leading up to the cease-fire... and now they will be again.
Still too passive for your taste?
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Frankly I can't see it. Oh well. I couldn't see Joe Namath playing for the Rams either.
WSS
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Frankly I can't see it. Oh well. I couldn't see Joe Namath playing for the Rams either.
WSS
Frankly I can't see it. Oh well. I couldn't see Joe Namath playing for the Rams either.
WSS
lol ..I don't think Joe did either. He thought he'd give it a shot. Lasted a year.
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Frankly I can't see it. Oh well. I couldn't see Joe Namath playing for the Rams either.
WSS
lol ..I don't think Joe did either. He thought he'd give it a shot. Lasted a year.
lol ..I don't think Joe did either. He thought he'd give it a shot. Lasted a year.
Not even. I went to the game on my birthday so I could say I saw Joe play. ? He was either hurt or benched head Pat Haden started the game what November 27th a number that was higher than the degrees outside. Browns quarterback was dr. Dave Mays who threw for zero touchdowns and the Rams won 3 field goals to zip.
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I remember Jim Brown wanting to make a comeback at 47, but for only one reason. Never was there a player who felt so threatened, so consumed with the likelihood of another running back breaking his record. That bothered the fuck out of him so much as to ask Al Davis if he could suit up in a Raiders uniform. The player creeping up on JB's record was Franco Harrison.
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I remember Jim Brown wanting to make a comeback at 47, but for only one reason. Never was there a player who felt so threatened, so consumed with the likelihood of another running back breaking his record. That bothered the fuck out of him so much as to ask Al Davis if he could suit up in a Raiders uniform. The player creeping up on JB's record was Franco Harrison.
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I can see how Gipper became successful in a law related career. Always trying to find excuses and arguments beyond a reasonable point, throwing water and mudding the field for the fight if needed... Because that is what it feels like, not a discussion, a fight. A war of constant siege. He will dedicate hours to counter attack the most miserable point and will never concede that he was wrong, but he wants you to do that with him.
It must be tiring always being right.
I don't have the time.
In my opinion, Tom Brady is the greatest of all time.
I can see how Gipper became successful in a law related career. Always trying to find excuses and arguments beyond a reasonable point, throwing water and mudding the field for the fight if needed... Because that is what it feels like, not a discussion, a fight.
Well, in any legal argument....you present facts. I have simply presented facts. People just don't like the facts, apparently. If you feel like it is a fight....that is your perspective, not mine. Perhaps when someone makes a cogent argument that has you questioning your position...you feel that is a fight? No, its a debate. Maybe your temperament means that you get overstressed in any debate.
A war of constant siege. He will dedicate hours to counter attack the most miserable point and will never concede that he was wrong,
Except, of course, I have conceded that I am wrong.....when I am wrong, factualy. (yes, Brandon Weeden did start his first game as a rookie...I was wrong about that) Its just that here I am not wrong. Because here it IS a matter of opinion. When I am wrong and concede it, no one makes any big deal over it. When I am right or if I have my own ideas, and you all don't like that the facts support me, then you all get all huffy...because while you all think you can have your opinions, if I have one that varies from yours... you all get stupid. You all are the ones that make it a fight.
It must be tiring always being right.
Not at all. I just let facts speak for themselves. Not much effort at all really. Why would doing that bring me any stress whatsoever.
In my opinion, Tom Brady is the greatest of all time.
And I have never had a problem with that opinion. All I have said is that it is arguable, backed up by facts, that another opinion or two are possible...perhaps even likely, but I am not allowed to have MY opinion, apparently. Nor am I allowed to defend it? Is that the way you think it should be?
I could give you some facts.....take these as you wish:
Tom Brady is not the all time leader in yards....Drew Brees is.
Tom Brady is not the all time leader in TD passes....Drew Brees is.
Tom Brady has not appeared in or won the most Championship games: Otto Graham did. (In half the number of years as TB)
Tom Brady has not...yet, taken two teams to win championships: Peyton Manning did.
Certainly your opinion is arguable...but it can be argued against, clearly. Yet, that is impermissible here?
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Neither would you to mine. And you are probably right. I would want to talk football, just like I do here. But all I get in response is passive-aggressive condescension.
So, maybe you can do some self examination and work on THAT.
Be careful what you ask for... lil Gippie...
As I've said before...
You don't know enough about the subject matter to talk football. It's at the heart of the gross insecurity you display here day after day after day....
It's part of why you argue incessantly about crap... about nothing... about opinions. Here's a challenge for you... find me a single, opinion-based argument you've ever had here when you ended up where anyone came around to your view. Just one... I've never seen one... not with a Browns fan... a Steelers fan... anyone.
Add in the lawyering Nero cites and you have the toxic Gipper cocktail that we endure here day after day after...
I honestly thought you'd made some kind of personal breakthrough when you allowed me my opinion in your post before I threw up the Louie clip. I even ignored this bit and its laughable pretzel logic...
AGain.....it is a matter of recency bias that to your mind makes your opinion correct. Which means that you are not necessarily wrong, but you cannot by any objective measure prove you are right. The only objective measure is the record, and Otto wins there....in my opinion.
You don't even allow for your "objective measure" to be a product of your opinion as well as Otto's status. Put another way your proof is a figment of your imagination.
Well here is my opinion... of all the means of evaluating a QB, his record is the worst.
Then I had the audacity to ask two questions to try to build on the breakthrough. I guess this 2nd one was one too many...
Gip, you harp on "recency bias" in others. Aren't you practicing "relativity bias"? Totally appropriate for eras... not so much for "all-time".
But lesson learned.. no more outreach...
As I said before the all too brief cease fire... you're a post whore dealing in quantity since you can offer no quality. Part of your dealing requires you not taking a minute to consider a post before replying to it. So you react to:
- my 2nd question...
- a misguided challenge to a comment our new return man is "Icecube sized"...
- and way too many more to enumerate.
Hell your misreads and misstatements were the fodder for all my comments leading up to the cease-fire... and now they will be again.
Still too passive for your taste?
Be careful what you ask for... lil Gippie...
As I've said before...
You don't know enough about the subject matter to talk football. It's at the heart of the gross insecurity you display here day after day after day....
There you go. ...Condescension. I talk more football than anyone on this board. Sorry you cannot keep up with my football discussions. Inferiority complex much?
It's part of why you argue incessantly about crap... about nothing... about opinions. Here's a challenge for you... find me a single, opinion-based argument you've ever had here when you ended up where anyone came around to your view. Just one... I've never seen one... not with a Browns fan... a Steelers fan... anyone.
Well...this is what people do when they talk about football....they have opinions, sometimes they argue about opinions. I am sure people have agreed with my opinions. I am not obligated to comply with any directive of yours to find something. If it is a big deal to you...do it yourself.
Add in the lawyering Nero cites and you have the toxic Gipper cocktail that we endure here day after day after...
No one says you have to endure it. Put yourself on hiatus again. No one cares. The problem is ALL within your own brain. I am not going to change because you get flustered. We can have a good football discussion if you wish. I do respect your opinions on football. Sure, you know shit that I don't. You like to get into picayune details about offensive line techniques. All fine, well and good. That bores me, but if it is what you like....go do it. But you don't respect my opinions. And personally I don't give a shit if you do. I am not going to discontinue having my opinions just because you don't share it.
I honestly thought you'd made some kind of personal breakthrough when you allowed me my opinion in your post before I threw up the Louie clip. I even ignored this bit and its laughable pretzel logic...
I always allow you to have your opinion. I couldn't prevent it anyway. (and I didn't bother to watch that clip, so I don't know what that is about)
You don't even allow for your "objective measure" to be a product of your opinion as well as Otto's status. Put another way your proof is a figment of your imagination.
Aren't FACTs an objective measure? I certainly didn't make any of those up.
Well here is my opinion... of all the means of evaluating a QB, his record is the worst.
So, in your opinion, winning does not matter? An .855 career winning pct. doesn't matter? Well, at least you are on the record with that. You must love Hue Jackson as a coach!!
Then I had the audacity to ask two questions to try to build on the breakthrough. I guess this 2nd one was one too many...
But lesson learned.. no more outreach...
As I said before the all too brief cease fire... you're a post whore dealing in quantity since you can offer no quality.
Well...if you want to go there...you offer neither. There is an opinion. I don't give a shit about post counts.
Part of your dealing requires you not taking a minute to consider a post before replying to it. So you react to:
- my 2nd question...
- I don't remember what your "2d question" really. I didn't realize this was a test.
- a misguided challenge to a comment our new return man is "Icecube sized"...
- See what I mean about you being crazy stupid about the things I say. I was just asking that poster...can't recall who it was, if he implying that a player that size was too small, in his opinion. He said no, and I was OK with his clarification. Yet, here you are...gripping over that brief repartee, which didn't even involve you. Jesus, get a life.
- and way too many more to enumerate.
- Well, you seem to be keeping track apparently. Maybe you should get a life.
Hell your misreads and misstatements were the fodder for all my comments leading up to the cease-fire... and now they will be again.
Maybe if I misread someone's comments, or make a misstatement about something.... in the effort to have a football discussion with people on here, which I am sure I probably do (the above being a minor example)....you could just let THAT person clarify what they mean, or maybe you could just give a courteous "actually, X is the fact".......instead of feeling that you must insipidly interfere, or holding some kind of grudge over a simple mistake of fact.....My God, it must be hard being green.
Still too passive for your taste?
It certainly brings on the ennui. Too passive? Don't know. I will Scarlett O'hara that and think about it tomorrow.
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lol ..I don't think Joe did either. He thought he'd give it a shot. Lasted a year.
Not even. I went to the game on my birthday so I could say I saw Joe play. ? He was either hurt or benched head Pat Haden started the game what November 27th a number that was higher than the degrees outside. Browns quarterback was dr. Dave Mays who threw for zero touchdowns and the Rams won 3 field goals to zip.
WSS
Not even. I went to the game on my birthday so I could say I saw Joe play. ? He was either hurt or benched head Pat Haden started the game what November 27th a number that was higher than the degrees outside. Browns quarterback was dr. Dave Mays who threw for zero touchdowns and the Rams won 3 field goals to zip.
WSS
Yes, that is the game we went to.....and froze our asses off....waiting for Joe Namath to play. Oi!
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I remember Jim Brown wanting to make a comeback at 47, but for only one reason. Never was there a player who felt so threatened, so consumed with the likelihood of another running back breaking his record. That bothered the fuck out of him so much as to ask Al Davis if he could suit up in a Raiders uniform. The player creeping up on JB's record was Franco Harrison.
I remember Jim Brown wanting to make a comeback at 47, but for only one reason. Never was there a player who felt so threatened, so consumed with the likelihood of another running back breaking his record. That bothered the fuck out of him so much as to ask Al Davis if he could suit up in a Raiders uniform. The player creeping up on JB's record was Franco Harrison.
Here is a courteous correction, the way I remember it anyway : Actually, when that happened, Walter Payton had already passed JB for the rushing record. It is true that JB did NOT want Franco to break his record, because he clearly did not respect the way Franco played the game. His specific complaint was that he hated the way Franco would constantly run out of bounds to avoid a hit. JB rarely if ever did that. He DID respect Walter for the way he played so tough, and he was more than complimentary and deferential to him when Walter broke his record.....but his flirtation with coming back to play for the Raiders happened after that. I think he just thought that he could actually do it, and thought about it as a challenge to himself. He did, after all, cut his career short after Modell was being an asshole about him getting into training camp in the middle of him doing a movie shoot. (do you really think Jim Brown needed a full training camp to get ready to play football? Modell did, apparently). So, he called it quits early. While he was making more money doing movies than playing football, I do suspect that JB, later thought that he left a lot on the table with his early retirement, so there were likely some regrets there. It had nada to do with his record being broken....it had already been done.
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